Memorial Day CA HANDOUT

[Kurtuleas]

Created by Rick AKA WLDWUN from my club.

THE ROUTE DESIGNATION PROGRAM WILL HAPPEN IN EVERY NATIONAL FOREST IN THE UNITED STATES.

WHILE THIS FLYER IS FOR ELDO, THIS WILL PERTAIN TO YOU SOON. PLEASE READ ENTIRE THREAD AND EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THE ROUTE DES PROCESS

WE STAND TO LOSE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MILES OF ROADS AND CAMPSITES UNLESS YOU PERSONALLY DO YOUR PART.
If you are camping or wheeling ANYWHERE in the ELDO National Forest (That includes the 'CON) PLEASE DISTRIBUTE TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. Trust me, it will be well worth the effort.

Thanks in advance for your support


EDIT: AN UPDATED FLYER WITH BETTER WORDING AND NO TYPOS IS AVAILABLE. PM ME WITH YOUR E-MAIL TO HAVE ME FORWARD IT TO YOU.

Over 1000 miles of roads in this forest are being closed to vehicles!!

Most people are unaware of what is happening within the Eldorado National Forest.
Under the Route Designation Program the forest service is proposing to close over 1000 miles of mostly dirt roads to any motorized vehicle traffic, this includes street legal vehicles as well as motorcycles, and ATVs. If you have ever driven off of the pavement in this forest, most likely one of the roads you have been on is going to be closed. There are approximately 3200 miles of forest system roads, after the decision is signed there could be at best 2214 miles and possibly as low as 1376 miles, that is over 50% of roads in the forest that could be closed! This is something that is not way down the road, it is happening now. The decision will be released to the public in June, we then have only 45 days to make comments on it and our comment can make a difference. Changes have already been made due to input for groups, organizations and even individuals so everyone needs to voice there concerns.

So what can you do?

First, get as informed on what is happening as you can. Go to the Eldorado National Forest website and look at “Route Designation Project”

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/eldorado/pro...te/index.shtml


if you look under PRELIMINARY ALTERNATIVES it will show you 5 alternatives, alternative A,B,C,D and E. keep in mind alternative A is not an option, so there are really only 4 choices.

Second, send an email to eldoradoroutes@fs.fed.us and ask to be put on their email list and they will advise you of upcoming phone meetings and town meetings that will have information on what is going on.

Third, when the EIS draft is released you MUST make comments on specific roads that you feel should remain open and why. There will only be a 45 day comment period, after that there is nothing you can do.

Forth, get as many people involved as you can, don’t sit back and let this happen without a fight.

Camping in this forest is suppose to be a fun and exciting time for everyone, but without the roads that get you to those campsites, or places you just like to ride, the fun will be gone. Let’s do something and keep the roads and trails open that have been here for decades.

If you have no interest in this information please pass it on to someone who may be.
Please do not litter.

[Bebe]

I am going to forward this to as many club forums as I can.....but I could use some help....here is a list of forums ;

http://top4x4sites.com/

[Kurtuleas]

Thanks BEBE,

I am sending out the flyer on the E-mail chain, but I know you have more e-mail addresses of all the FOTR crowd. Can you e-mail it out too?

I have also PM'ed a few key people here on pirate that tend to know a lot of people.....

Passing on this message online is imperitive, but we must make sure that people actually PASS OUT THE FLYER...

[Kurtuleas]

The link in the flyer is bad if it is printed out.

It SHOULD read:

r5/eldorado/projects/route/

I will fix it as soon as I post this, you may have to forward the link/flyer again..

edit: cannot be fixed, pirate puts it in the form of a link and cuts it down...

[Sno White]

Great!

It looks good. Well worded and doesn't come off as some group of yahoos.

The only thing I could see adding is some of the favorites such as:

Pack it in Pack it out!
and
Tread Lightly!

Rick

[forbergler]

Also, no offense intended to anyone, but run spell check and proof-read before printing up

[forbergler]

So far 70 views on the Toy P/U forum. Woo hoo. Pathetic. I hope it gets some more attention soon.
I live in Ione, and the south western part of Eldo is onlyt about 40 minutes up the road. I'm going to try to hit PiPi Valley this week and staple some up on the kiosks. Elkins Flat would be a good area too.

[Kurtuleas]

TWO requests for the flyer via e-mail....


TWO!

Come on people. This is going to happen in every National Forest.
PM me with your e-mail addy if you want the word version.

[forbergler]

hopefully people are copy and pasting off the board.

[forbergler]

This analysis is designed to provide decision-makers with critical information needed to manage a minimum road system that is safe and responsive to public needs and desires, is affordable and efficiently managed, has minimal negative ecological effects on the land, and is in balance with available funding for needed management actions.

This is an excerpt of the Lassen NF's RAP(road analysis program- every forest has a different term). Note the language that is used throughout these documents. Pretty cryptic if you ask me, and pretty obvious what their goal is: to close as much of the forests to motorized use as possible!!!!
They can justify the closures financially and enviromentally, so the only chance we have is if our voices ring LOUD!

[rockwrangler]

Originally Posted by Kurtuleas

Created by Rick AKA WLDWUN from my club.

If you are camping or wheeling ANYWHERE in the ELDO National Forest (That includes the 'CON) PLEASE DISTRIBUTE TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. Trust me, it will be well worth the effort.

Thanks in advance for your support

Copy and paste into Word. You may have to format it a little to make it more presentable.

Flyer begins HERE:

Over 1000 miles of roads this forest are being closed to vehicles!!

Most people are unaware of what is happening within the Eldorado National Forest.
Under the Route Designation Program the forest service is proposing to close over 1000 miles of mostly dirt roads to any motorized vehicle traffic, this includes street legal vehicles as well as motorcycles, and ATVs. If you have ever driven off of the pavement in this forest, most likely one of the roads you have been on is going to be closed. There are approximately 3200 miles of forest system roads, after the decision is signed there could be at best 2214 miles and possibly as low as 1376 miles, that is over 50% of roads in the forest that could be closed! This is something that is not way down the road, it is happening now. The decision will be released to the public in June, we then have only 45 days to make comments on it and our comment can make a difference. Changes have already been made due to input for groups, organizations and even individuals so everyone needs to voice there concerns.

So what can you do?

First, get as informed on what is happening as you can. Go to the Eldorado National Forest website and look at “Route Designation Project”

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/eldorado/pro...te/index.shtml


if you look under PRELIMINARY ALTERNATIVES it will show you 5 alternatives, alternative A,B,C,D and E. keep in mind alternative A is not an option, so there are really only 4 choices.

Second, send an email to eldoradoroutes@fs.fed.us and ask to be put on their email list and they will advise you of upcoming phone meetings and town meetings that will have information on what is going on.

Third, when the EIS draft is released you MUST make comments on specific roads that you feel should remain open and why. There will only be a 45 day comment period, after that there is nothing you can do.

Forth, get as many people involved as you can, don’t sit back and let this happen without a fight.

Camping in this forest is suppose to be a fun and exciting time for everyone, but without the roads that get you to those campsites, or places you just like to ride, the fun will be gone. Let’s do something and keep the roads and trails open that have been here for decades.

If you have no interest in this information please pass it on to someone who may be.
Please do not litter.

I like it!! Great Idea!! You need to add IN to the Header Line

Over 1000 miles of roads IN this forest are being closed to vehicles!!

[Kurtuleas]

Originally Posted by rockwrangler

I like it!! Great Idea!! You need to add IN to the Header Line

Over 1000 miles of roads IN this forest are being closed to vehicles!!

LOL, I am a fawkin HS teacher, and I did not even catch that...

but hey, WLDWUN wrote it not me!

Seriously though...thank you, I did not even see it...

[forbergler]

I've had two requests also for the flyer from the Toy forum. And the number of views keeps growing-120+ at the moment.
I currently have a migrane from going over the RDP's for Lassen, Plumas and Tahoe N.F.'s One closure that got my attention was the 4wd route along the south side of Gold Lake, which is NE of Downieville. This is a fun trail, especially in the Spring, and it looks like they are gonna close it, as well as some portions of trails in that area on the TNF side.

[rtrsam]

Not to be a butthole, but there are a couple of spelling, grammar and punctuation errors in that flyer. In the interest of putting your absolute best foot forward, you might consider these revisions:

(Proposed revise starts)


Over 1000 miles of roads in this forest are being closed to vehicles!!

Most people are unaware of what is happening within the Eldorado National Forest.

Under the Route Designation Program the forest service is proposing to close over 1000 miles of mostly dirt roads to any motorized vehicle traffic; this includes street legal vehicles as well as motorcycles and ATVs. If you have ever driven off of the pavement in this forest, most likely one of the roads you have been on is going to be closed. There are currently approximately 3200 miles of forest system roads; after the decision is signed there could be at best 2214 miles and possibly as few as 1376 miles. Over 50% of the roads in this forest could be closed! This is not way down the road, it is happening now! The decision will be released to the public in June, so we then have only 45 days to make comments on it. Our comments can make a difference! Changes have already been made due to input from groups, organizations and individuals, so everyone needs to voice their concerns.

So what can you do?

First, get as informed on what is happening as you can. Go to the Eldorado National Forest website and look at “Route Designation Project”

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/eldorado/projects/route/


Look under PRELIMINARY ALTERNATIVES: it will show 5 alternatives: A,B,C,D and E. Alternative A is not an option, so there are really only 4 choices.

Second, send an email to eldoradoroutes@fs.fed.us and ask to be put on their email list and they will advise you of upcoming phone meetings and town meetings that will have information on what is going on.

Third, when the EIS draft is released you MUST make comments on specific roads that you feel should remain open and why. There will only be a 45 day comment period, after that there is nothing you can do.

Fourth, get as many people involved as you can, don’t sit back and let this happen without a fight.

Camping in this forest is supposed to be a fun and exciting time for everyone, but without the roads that get you to those campsites, or places you just like to ride, the fun will be gone. Let’s do something and keep the roads and trails open that have been here for decades.

If you have no interest in this information please pass it on to someone who may be.
Please do not litter.


(Flyer ends)

In spreading the word, keep in mind this affects not just the four wheel community, but also hikers, hunters, fishermen, backpackers, wood cutters, anyone who wishes to use their public lands. No, I ain't a freaking english teacher.

[banthis]

Back in Dec? it was ABCDE and 45 days; we'll get in touch via email.
This thing hasn't moved since then?

[Kurtuleas]

Nope...they kept putting it off, putting it off. And in the meantime Scardina, the guy in charge of the whole fawkin project got replaced...

[landusepbb]

And this is news? This is currently happening in virtually EVERY NF nationwide. If you don't know this you haven't been listening.

[Bebe]

I set up a more generic one for some other forums: I also added a little drama

Will your favorite Camping spot or OHV trail still be here when you come back????

The Route Designation process will CLOSE thousands of miles of trails from your National Forests and BLM Land.

Most people are unaware of what is happening within the <>, under the Route Designation Program, the forest service is proposing to close THOUSANDS of miles of mostly dirt roads to ANY motorized vehicle.

THIS WILL EFFECT, 4 WHEEL DRIVE ENTHUSIASTS, OHV RIDERS, CAMPERS, EQUESTRIANS, HUNTERS AND FISHERMAN!!

The final drafts will be released to the public this summer and finalized by the end of this year, once this happens you have only 45 days ask for your favorite trails to be left open.

So what can you do? GET informed GET involved GET heard!!!.


Go to the <>and find your favorite forest(s). Locate that forests Route Designation Page. (they are sometimes difficult to find, but they are there)

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Review the PRELIMINARY ALTERNATIVES maps. Find your favorite camping areas and trails. Are they scheduled to be closed ???

If they are, get on the MAILING LIST, get involved in the public meetings and the conference calls, and when the final decision is made you will be notified.

You will only have ONE opportunity to address your trails, and to tell the <>why you want it left open.

THEN get as many people involved as you can, don’t sit back and let this happen unknowingly.

Learn and practice responsible resource use, treading lightly, packing it in and packing it out.

HELP KEEP OUR PUBLIC LANDS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC

If you have no interest in this information please pass it on to someone who may.
Please do not litter.

[norcalzuk]

Originally Posted by forbergler

I've had two requests also for the flyer from the Toy forum. And the number of views keeps growing-120+ at the moment.
I currently have a migrane from going over the RDP's for Lassen, Plumas and Tahoe N.F.'s One closure that got my attention was the 4wd route along the south side of Gold Lake, which is NE of Downieville. This is a fun trail, especially in the Spring, and it looks like they are gonna close it, as well as some portions of trails in that area on the TNF side.

where do you find info on what is proposed to happen in a specific county?

[Kurtuleas]

Originally Posted by landuseorc

And this is news? This is currently happening in virtually EVERY NF nationwide. If you don't know this you haven't been listening.

It's not news for us brother....

But the majority of people out there have no clue, thats why we need this flyer to go out to EVERYONE camping in ELDO this coming weekend.

You should know that better than anyone.

[Bebe]

Originally Posted by norcalzuk

where do you find info on what is proposed to happen in a specific county?

You can start here http://www.fs.fed.us/

Find the forest that has your favorite trails. Find the Route Designation Page.

[Bebe]

Someone dare me to post this in general chit chat c'mon....dare me

[Bebe]

Too late, it's done

[landusepbb]

Originally Posted by Kurtuleas

It's not news for us brother....

But the majority of people out there have no clue, thats why we need this flyer to go out to EVERYONE camping in ELDO this coming weekend.

You should know that better than anyone.

I was being sarcastic. I do believe no matter what we do at this point it is too little, too late (in most cases). But, at least there are a few not giving up.

[Kurtuleas]

Originally Posted by landuseorc

I was being sarcastic. I do believe no matter what we do at this point it is too little, too late (in most cases). But, at least there are a few not giving up.

It's NOT to late in Eldo. Rick and I have already had routes and campsites ADDED to some of the alternative maps.

When the Final Draft, the map they pick comes out, we have a 45 day window to argue for routes and campsites to be open. if you do not argue, you have nothing to stand on. If you argue your point well enough, you CAN keep stuff open.

You also have to remember that we are not just fighting for roads to be kept open, but many fire trails and other dirt roads will be closed to green stickered vehicles....

YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE