lower 2 closed

[tellico_rocks]

Lower 2 is now closed. As for how long we don't know. The reason is do to improper trail usage. According to well known sources the Team Fj crew was recently here and they all used the bypass through the woods around the trail. Why? Thats my question..Please people, don't mess it up for all of us. If you can't handle the trails or are scared of body damage to your wife's soccer mom ride, please dont try to go around them or do anything stupid to cause these scarce trails to be closed down. I will try to post some pics and some more details later.

[dlc]

You go up today?

[partsjunkie]

it was still open last nite at 8.30 --but these bypass users will shut it down !!

[broncomania79]

yeah , keeep those guys in line. i think every 4x4 forum should have a sticky thread with basic rules to follow at any off road park. the main one should be keep your rig on the designated trail and why you should keep it on their.
2 carry a trash bag in your rig. the land is not a trash bag. and so on.

[BadAssXJ]

This has always been a problem at Tellico, you have alot of the web wheelers that read and read about Tellico and other places. They throw them some 31's on their Jeep and other useless mods that all the other JU crowd is recommending. And head off to the trails. They know they have no bussiness on some of the trails. Some examples, the idiots made the bypass at Slick Rock that finally got fenced so they couldnt bypass the little rock garden leading up to the rock, the 4 wheeler trail up the right hand side of slick rock got blocked so that fixed that. Then the chicken trail at guardrail a few years back, that has now turned into the idiots own little guardrail, even a video on youtube with a dude "Climbing" guardrail, yet he was on the fucking bypass around the left hand side. Now Lower 2 has always had idiots on 4 wheelers cutting thru the woods to watch people on lower 2. This will get our trails closed, it doesnt take much these days.

It has changed year by year, the trails are more and more crowded with the yuppie type, TJ's with 33's and rock rails running around the trails at Tellico, its great for people to get out and wheel with whatever they have, but if you have No Plans on trying a obstacle DONT even take that trail. Tellicos trails are too tight to have a few idiots that just wanna look at Guardrail cluttering up the damn road, and then don't use or make a fucking bypass around it. Just because you seen some other asshat go that way does'nt mean its right.

[BadAssXJ]

Oh yeah here is the video of the guy on Guardrail USING THE FUCKING BYPASS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJzzcEdiAsI

[cruzila]

Lower 2 was my favorite when I was there in 1996. I looked at guardrail and decided not to go. Too wet. I don't remember bypassess. Some of the stuff like guardrail was optional. Is that right?

[cvsahara]

Originally Posted by BadAssXJ

This has always been a problem at Tellico, you have alot of the web wheelers that read and read about Tellico and other places. They throw them some 31's on their Jeep and other useless mods that all the other JU crowd is recommending.........Now Lower 2 has always had idiots on 4 wheelers cutting thru the woods to watch people on lower 2. This will get our trails closed, it doesnt take much these days.

It has changed year by year, the trails are more and more crowded with the yuppie type, TJ's with 33's and rock rails running around the trails at Tellico,...... Just because you seen some other asshat go that way does'nt mean its right.

Lets be fair here. The last four times I've been to Tellico, one of which was the weekend that someone moved the ledge to make the lower 2 bypass, there were a whole lot more than "TJ's on 33's" using the newly formed bypass. Everytime I go I see plenty of built 1-ton 38"+ rigs hittin the main obstacle a few times and then hitting the bypass with out even thinking of using the winch. It has gotten so bad that all the tellico newbies, built or not, think the bypass is actually part of the trail and don't know better. The only way I see is to find a way to close that small bypass. Maybe we can do something about this at the next SFWDA cleanup. Whomever winched that big ledge out of the way needs to be strung up and kicked in the nuts.

[Never Monday]

CV,
Are you talking about the rock under the LF tire? If so that was gravity and a big HP rig that moved that rock.

[BadAssXJ]

Originally Posted by cvsahara

Lets be fair here. The last four times I've been to Tellico, one of which was the weekend that someone moved the ledge to make the lower 2 bypass, there were a whole lot more than "TJ's on 33's" using the newly formed bypass. Everytime I go I see plenty of built 1-ton 38"+ rigs hittin the main obstacle a few times and then hitting the bypass with out even thinking of using the winch. It has gotten so bad that all the tellico newbies, built or not, think the bypass is actually part of the trail and don't know better. The only way I see is to find a way to close that small bypass. Maybe we can do something about this at the next SFWDA cleanup. Whomever winched that big ledge out of the way needs to be strung up and kicked in the nuts.

Oh yeah I definatly agree it aint just the "TJ's on 33's" doing it. Which I ran Tellico on 34's for years, alot ride with us on 33's and been all around without a cable. And since selling my last XJ, I am building a milder XJ with leafs/D44 and 9" on 35 Krawlers. Its not that that size rig is what I am refering to, its just that "type" group.

Now as far as closing the bypasses, its been done, Slick Rocks little 4 wheeler by pass has been shut off, the bypass to the left of the little rock garden leading up to the rock has been fenced off, this was open 4 years ago and actually served a decent purpose back then for when someone broke on the rock, they was able to back down into that area, but it got out of hand with 4 wheelers and that was that. Now onto the rock out of lower 2, I dont have a clue about that, unless it was moved since last year, I didnt know anything had changed. The 4 wheelers are what used to like tearing a trail thru the woods to get to the top of lower 2 to watch is what I figured the original poster meant.

[dlc]

Originally Posted by Never Monday

CV,
Are you talking about the rock under the LF tire? If so that was gravity and a big HP rig that moved that rock.

No I think he is talking about the big rock that used to sit were the guy in the hood is standing.

[s10er8]

I was there sat May 26 for the first time, I started on Trail 4 crossed Fains Ford, climbed the little staircase up the left after the creek, went on up 4 and watched at the top of slickrock for a while. There was a path coming off of the trail I seen a guy take to bypass the last ledge at the top... is that part of the trail? I left there and looped around 8, to 4 and back out.

I done all of this in my CJ7 on 31's without much problem, so please don't hate on the small tire guys. Actually 20 years ago 31's and 33's WERE the rockcrawling tires, I have old magazines with rigs running Dana 60's and 33's without shaving the axle. That was common.

As far as I know, I didn't take any illegal routes. I stayed right on the main trail as far as I know, but I have a suggestion for the guys that run it all the time and know exactly where not to go.... why don't you make a few signs, nail it to a 1x4 stake and drive one in the ground right at both ends of every place people have been driving. Seriously a lot of people don't know any better, if I see where everybody else has been driving, I may do the same thing.

[tellico_rocks]

Your absolutely correct, tire size doesn't matter. I've got friends with zuks running 32's and 33's that go everywhere. ( with some exceptions ) although when your ride is gay or you cant drive you dont need to go down those trail that make you ass puker up. I want to know whose got pictures of scotty's jeep? or is that you man......

[tellico_rocks]

Dj no i had to work everyday for the last two weeks. Blair and countless others told me and told me to post this. i want to try to ride down there later....

[Chris Hyde]

Hey guys, my first post here, but I wanted to subscribe. My TJ is lifted 2" on 33's and is pretty trail capable (not like a tube rig or 6" LA rig), but what do guys like me do when we want to head up guardrail or schoolbus with a crowd and cant take the main lines? I like to wheel with the best, but sometimes I have to take an easier route on a certain part of the trail due to my limitations. Should I take the main line and plan on winching if needed?. Also, who mentioned that "lower 2" was closed due to improper trail usage? I was there Saturday and all was running as normal throughout Tellico. I'd like to hear from the source first hand because the Ranger that we talked to for a while never mentioned anything about staying off bypasses. Isn't that why the bypasses were made? Not flaming, just very curious as I love Tellico.

[Schmozilla]

Originally Posted by Chris Hyde

Hey guys, my first post here, but I wanted to subscribe. My TJ is lifted 2" on 33's and is pretty trail capable (not like a tube rig or 6" LA rig), but what do guys like me do when we want to head up guardrail or schoolbus with a crowd and cant take the main lines? I like to wheel with the best, but sometimes I have to take an easier route on a certain part of the trail due to my limitations. Should I take the main line and plan on winching if needed?. Also, who mentioned that "lower 2" was closed due to improper trail usage? I was there Saturday and all was running as normal throughout Tellico. I'd like to hear from the source first hand because the Ranger that we talked to for a while never mentioned anything about staying off bypasses. Isn't that why the bypasses were made? Not flaming, just very curious as I love Tellico.

Are you kidding me? You either stay on the damn trail or get the fuck out... honestly, how hard is it to pull cable?

EVERY time I run School bus some ass hat in the group in front of me is taking the new illegal bypass around the ledge. I say something to them every time and I always get the same response "were here to have fun not break parts" and I always respond with... Last time I came out it was for a trail clean up day to fix the shit you "have fun" on... If you can run with the big dogs STAY ON TRAILS 4 5 and 6!

I was going to Tellico this weekend, on second thought we will be headed south to Morris Mountain.


EDIT: Actually, sorry for being an ass at first... just always stay on the main trail and winch as needed, it better for us as we keep the trail system that we all love open, it good for the environment, because we have a lesser impact and it better for thoes of us who spend time cleaning up and making repairs...

[Schmozilla]

Originally Posted by tellico_rocks

Dj no i had to work everyday for the last two weeks. Blair and countless others told me and told me to post this. i want to try to ride down there later....

Keep me posted on this please, I have plans to come up this weekend and we ALWAYS camp at the bottom of lower 2. We will head to MM if Lower 2 is closed

[s10er8]

Here's mine



this is that fun ledge on 8...notice I didn't take the easy line, or the hard one





What other trails would I be able to do there? 4 and 8 were fun, I was thinking next time I might try 5.. what else could I make?

d30 front open, model 20 rear lsd all stock axles even 2 piece rear

[Schmozilla]

you can do 5 and 6... ive done 4 5 and 6 in my stock xj on 29 inch street tires, I old needed a slight tug in a few places on 6, and that was from a TJ on 31 inch street tires

[tellico_rocks]

i'll try to keep everyone posted on this. im planning on going out there tomorrow. my sources are very good, but i've also been told that everything is kosher. I was told this also about a week ago that is was closed.

Schmozilla---- i used to live in westminster s.c., you know fred and them boys at clemson? hell maybe i know you.....

[Schmozilla]

Originally Posted by tellico_rocks

i'll try to keep everyone posted on this. im planning on going out there tomorrow. my sources are very good, but i've also been told that everything is kosher. I was told this also about a week ago that is was closed.

Schmozilla---- i used to live in westminster s.c., you know fred and them boys at clemson? hell maybe i know you.....

Yeah I know Fred and Pat... I have also ridden with the Greenwood boys the Palmetto Krawlers... I drive a white YJ on 1 tons and 39 Krawlers, but I havent had it out to Tellico in almost a year due to a rebuild.

[s10er8]

Yeah keep us posted because me and Chris are headed back in a month

[cvsahara]

Originally Posted by Never Monday

CV,
Are you talking about the rock under the LF tire? If so that was gravity and a big HP rig that moved that rock.

Here is the ledge I was talking about. I was told that weekend that it was winched out of the way. If it was HP and gravity then I must have got some misinformation.


I didn't mean to start anything about defending the 33"ers. I agree with Schmo. If you can't make a trail then use the freakin winch. That is why we have them, right? If you know you cant make it and don't want to use a winch or get strapped then don't get on the trail.

I'm just glad to see that there are some people who take it seriously.

[tellico_rocks]

i think i know how that happen actually im pretty confident that i know how that happen, and it was most definitly <? hp and some hard fucken driving. i think that dlc knows too...

[cvsahara]

Here is how it looked last time I was there back in Oct.