Alert!!!! Altenative "d" Choosen!!

[Kurtuleas]

Well ELDO picked the 2nd to worst map they coulda picked


FAWKIN ALTERNATIVE D

Looks like we got LOT LOT OF WORK TO DO PEOPLE!!!!!!!

Here is the link to ELDO'S PAGE:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/eldorado/pro...is/index.shtml

ALL SPUR ROUTES ON THE 'CON ARE OFF THE MAP

BARRETT IS STILL THERE.

THOUSANDS OF MILES LOST THROUGHT THE FOREST.

START TYPING....

[Kurtuleas]

My stomping grounds in Silverfork got RAPED.

Before and after:






THERE IS NO REASON for 09N10, 09N12 and 10N91 not to be opened to ATV use.

We lost all those spur routes off 09N12...losta good camping in that area

[RCKRATZ]

where is it saying that alternative D is a done deal.... I just see that its the "preferred alternative"

I thought that after the public comment period the forest supervisor would make the call on which alternative they were going to use???? Sorry if I'm way off here. Been concentrating on the Tahoe/Fordyce too much recently

[Kurtuleas]

Rick picked up the CD from the FAWKIN forest felon service today.

It is definatley ALTERNATIVE FAWKING D

They JUST added the word "perferred" to the map today, meaning that's which one they picked.

[88bigvan]

Friggin BUMMER. Let the comments begin.

[88bigvan]

Look at the "protected activity centers" map.
There must be alot of spotted owls and Goshawk around.
Funny I've never seen one that I know of.

[JohnDF]

So, what do we do now?
Write letters to who? Stating what?
How do I find a log of the trail numbers? I suck at reading maps. I wanna help but I may need a little hand holding through the process

[konacaliboy]

AlternitiveD was evidently chosen for the negligible affects of air quality. i.e dust. Negitively affects air quality in wilderness area's

That is apparantly why route D was chosen?!?!?!

[Kurtuleas]

Originally Posted by JohnDF

So, what do we do now?
Write letters to who? Stating what?
How do I find a log of the trail numbers? I suck at reading maps. I wanna help but I may need a little hand holding through the process

We have 45 days after the 20th to comment and argue for indiviual routes. The comments must be in a certain format and they go to the forest service...

I should have a list of the more popular routes and spurs that are gone up in a coupla weeks that a majority of us should fight for.

[88bigvan]

Call me pessimistic but I don’t have a lot of faith in this comment period making a difference. I’ll do all I can and plan on hitting more than one of the meetings. I’ll send my comments on routes and spurs that should remain open but my gut says it’s not going to matter.
The gold miners in California just lost big time with AB 1032’s senate hearing in Sacramento. We’ve been sending in comments since finding out about the bill. In the hearing on Wednesday, they actually admitted they hadn’t even read the comments, ruled in favor of the envirowacks and off it goes for a vote.
How can I have faith that the forest supervisor will listen to my comments? I still don’t understand how a decision that big gets put in the hands of one person that hasn’t even been in the county that long. Unless I heard wrong on the call, he’s only going to make it to the meetings if his schedule permits?
I’m FRIGGIN PISSED.

[BEAR]

More to come later.......

[JohnDF]

Can someone explain to me what the BLUE line means?

[YellowSub1962]

Originally Posted by JohnDF

Can someone explain to me what the BLUE line means?

the blue lines on the map? they are water

[worknplay]

Alt "D" wording.

"This alternative has the second lowest mileage of routes available for public wheeled motor vehicle use of the five alternatives."

All this wording is typical bureaucratic rubbish. Reading thru this stuff can and will give you high blood pressure. It's time to sh*t or get off the pot. After the 20th, we have to send in as many as we can. And as always with any government agency, you have to follow up and make sure that they are doing what they say. Take down names/dates and times of people you talk to.
Emailing works because all emails are time/date stamped.

[JohnDF]

Originally Posted by YellowSub1962

the blue lines on the map? they are water

Not the water lines, the route lines that are hilighted in BLUE. Strawberry is one of them.

[WLDWUN]

If I had thought it was going to be this bad, I would have brought a tub of KY jelly with me when I picked up this DEIS disc.

so what do we do?
comment of every road, route trial, trial we can. I agree we may be beating our head against a wall, but lets play the game the best we can...for now

if you dont know how to comment....get to one of the public meetings, or ask someone how...the only stupid question is the one not asked

get as many of your friends involved, make flyers, pass them out. spread the word. I will get a hold of some newspapers.

anyone know how to get a forest supervisor removed? not a joke, a serious question, do I go to the region 5 foerster? he obviously does not have the best interst of the public in mind

think I am pissed?......watch me

[BEAR]

Originally Posted by Kurtuleas

My stomping grounds in Silverfork got RAPED.

Before and after:

WOW!!
Look at the first map and find the absolute shortest road you can find......................then look at the second.............its the only one they kept

[Kurtuleas]

Kurt you are welcome to re-edit this, but I suggest revising your wording from it's original content.
PSD


I want everyone to remember. Alternative D WAS the worst one, THEN they added ALT E the worst one way later in the game....WLDWUN could give you the exact date. they added one alternative so they could say that they did not pick the worst one.

As for the blue line, look at the ledgend in the top right corner

[WLDWUN]

blue line

non significant forest land and resourse managment plan amendments necessary for this route

[worknplay]

Originally Posted by WLDWUN

If I had thought it was going to be this bad, I would have brought a tub of KY jelly with me when I picked up this DEIS disc.

so what do we do?
comment of every road, route trial, trial we can. I agree we may be beating our head against a wall, but lets play the game the best we can...for now

if you dont know how to comment....get to one of the public meetings, or ask someone how...the only stupid question is the one not asked

get as many of your friends involved, make flyers, pass them out. spread the word. I will get a hold of some newspapers.

anyone know how to get a forest supervisor removed? not a joke, a serious question, do I go to the region 5 foerster? he obviously does not have the best interst of the public in mind

think I am pissed?......watch me

These people are payed with your tax dollars. You can ask to have meeting with any of these people. Again, the email approach works because you can show that you have tried to contact them for meetings. So dont throw away any email's that you get. I might give it a go also.
Something has to be done. I just checked the California Four Wheel Drive website and there is no mention of this. Hopefully someone there is paying attention. Probably not a bad idea to contact them also.

OK, time to decompress.......

[88bigvan]

Originally Posted by JohnDF

So, what do we do now?
Write letters to who? Stating what?
How do I find a log of the trail numbers? I suck at reading maps. I wanna help but I may need a little hand holding through the process

To Send in Comments for DEIS:

The Notice of Availability will be published in the Federal Register on July 20, 2007. The official comment period is 45 days from that date (to September 4, 2007). Please submit your comments using one of the following methods.

By Mail or Hand Delivery during normal business hours to:

Eldorado National Forest
Forest Supervisor Ramiro Villalvazo
"Eldorado National Forest Travel Management DEIS"
100 Forni Road,
Placerville, CA 95667

Office Hours: Monday to Friday 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.

By Fax:
(530) 621-5297 at above office hours.

By Email:
comments-pacificsouthwest-eldorado@fs.fed.us

Acceptable formats for electronic comments are plain text (.txt), rich text (.rtf), or Word (.doc).

Note: Names and addresses of those who comment will be considered part of the public record on this proposed action, and will be available for public inspection. Comments submitted anonymously will be accepted and considered; however, those who only submit anonymous comments will not have standing to appeal the subsequent decision under 36 CFR 215. Only those who submit timely and substantive comments will have standing to appeal the subsequent decision under 36 CFR 215. Each individual or representative from each organization submitting substantive comments must either sign the comments or verify identity upon request.

When using electronic mail, please send your name and physical address in addition to your email address

[BEAR]

Office Hours: Monday to Friday 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.

Fawkers are lucky they are closed on the weekends, I have an appointment right across the street at 9:00 am tomorrow.

[Kurtuleas]

Yeah, we have to give a reason WHY a route should remain open, yet they do not have to give a reason why it should remain closed.


I CALL BS!!

[Kurtuleas]

Originally Posted by worknplay

I just checked the California Four Wheel Drive website and there is no mention of this. Hopefully someone there is paying attention.

The way route dez is set up, groups like that do not mean S***.

It is up to INDIVIDUALS to argue for routes to be open

[JohnDF]

Originally Posted by WLDWUN

blue line

non significant forest land and resourse managment plan amendments necessary for this route

Ya, I got that, but what does it mean in ENGLISH? What amendments?