Timberwolf 2 - The Rebuild for Racing

SlowmoSU · 10-04-2009, 01:21 PM

ALL PICTURES TO DATE LOCATED HERE ---> PICTURES !!!!!!!!

Well, after getting a taste of the rock racing this year, and alot of talk, and thought.
I tried to sell The Timberwolf for something 2 seats and faster.
I had some offers, but with the economy, nobody willing to step up to the plate.
It had alot of nice parts, so i decided to just ditch the chassis, and build a new one and use all my parts.

In the search for someone to do the rework, I talked to alot of people about this.
Timmay from Liquid Iron Industries was one name that kept coming up.
http://www.liquidironindustries.com/
I really liked the tube work he did on the ZJ buggy for RCROCS seen here -->ZJ Buggy Build
He just moved into a new shop, got setup with some sweet new tools from Baileigh seen here -->New Stuff from Baileigh
A new bigass table from Torchmate.
So after talking with him about all of this and his ideas for the new buggy, i decided to let him have at it.

Dropped the Timberwolf off to him the last Friday in September.

The original plan was to use everything from the 4 seater on the 2 seater.
But I decided the Rockwells probably weren't the Ideal choice for the racing
since it would make chassis design much harder while trying to keep the truck low enough.

So, we ditched them, in exchange, some beefy 1 tons.
Dana 70 Front, Reid C's and Knuckles, Detroit.
11.5" 14 Bolt FF Rear, Stock Disc brakes, and the new ARB.

Trying to use almost everything else.

Once Tim got the Old Timberwolf torn down, he started measuring and doing some Bendtech Magic.

Drivetrain laid out on the sweet Jig table.

Then he started work on the Subframe. This will all get boxed in.

SlowmoSU · 10-04-2009, 01:21 PM

Setting the wheelbase, (motor will be moved back a good bit from this location)

So, this friday, they started bending some tube.
This will much closer to the location of the motor now.
This is where we left off, on saturday wee hours.
More will resume on Monday.

I'm really excited about the whole build. and I cant wait to see what Tim has in store for me in the next few weeks.
Constructive criticism is always welcome.

spidr · 10-04-2009, 01:28 PM

Shame to see the old chassis go, but can't wait for the new one.

Timmay builds some cool stuff

SlowmoSU · 10-04-2009, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spidr

Shame to see the old chassis go, but can't wait for the new one.

Timmay builds some cool stuff

Yeah, I know, but it just didnt fit my needs anymore.
The chassis will be for sale, along with all the parts I didnt reuse, and should live again, hopefully.
I wont ever cut it up. way too much hard work to just cut up.

rokdMJ · 10-04-2009, 04:52 PM

Now I see what's taking so long to get my traction bar... LOL

Looks fawking awesome so far! Especially that subframe. Can't wait to see the final product.

RokYota · 10-04-2009, 07:13 PM

Damn AJ.......you didn't waste anytime

SlowmoSU · 10-04-2009, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RokYota

Damn AJ.......you didn't waste anytime

Haha, been planning for a while, just recently got some details ironed out though.

redzook · 10-04-2009, 07:55 PM

how long is the rear dshaft going to end up?

Todd W · 10-04-2009, 08:03 PM

Looking forward to what this turns into Timberwolf was cool beast

JF · 10-04-2009, 09:16 PM

I'll be watching this build. Really liking that table / shop set up.

jmhinescj · 10-04-2009, 10:16 PM

Start of the rig looks cool...that's a badass table settup to.

Timmay · 10-04-2009, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rokdMJ

Now I see what's taking so long to get my traction bar... LOL

Looks fawking awesome so far! Especially that subframe. Can't wait to see the final product.

I wish I could work out the final bugs in my Torchmate. The stuff i've been cutting up until I started working on AJ's subframe have been pretty inaccurate. It looks like I might have it running pretty good now, and I have some prototype parts cut for the gen 3 traction bars. I'll do my best to get that taken care of this week. Sorry for the delay, but the end product will be worth it. Oops, i'm starting to sound like Portal Tek.

We got a little bit more done this afternoon. A good bit of staring deemed it "necessary" to put 6 more tubes in. I did get a final plan laid out and it will definitely be different from the bend tech designs in this thread. I'll post updates as they come, tomorrow should be some good progress.

rajincajingt · 10-05-2009, 07:04 AM

i liked the first build,

i will be very interested to see what you come up with here!

87k5cucv · 10-05-2009, 07:48 AM

I also loved the first one. But no money to buy it lol. Good luck.

87JeepWrangler · 10-05-2009, 11:35 AM

are those bolts through the subframe permanent?

will there eventually be a sleeve in between?

Timmay · 10-05-2009, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 87JeepWrangler

are those bolts through the subframe permanent?

will there eventually be a sleeve in between?

No sleeves, yet. The bolt holes are very close to both the tube that's welded in there and the top and bottom caps. I don't see an issue with there being no sleeves, but we will see once it's together. There's a pretty easy test we can do to ensure nothing will flex.

Pics uploading.

Timmay · 10-05-2009, 01:54 PM

Hopefully we can incorporate this Aveo grill somehow...

Mid bar is in place. There's a lot I want to change up front, and the back bar depends on how I like the C pillar angle. After we grab some food we're going to knock out the A to C bars and really get an idea of what the chassis is going to look like.

I don't like the front bar forward of the shock. We're going to nix that and do something very simple yet elegant.

Huge thanks to Baileigh for making me look good.

Creepin on the Tracker.

More to come this evening...

KrazYJ · 10-05-2009, 02:02 PM

lookin good Tim, keep up the awesome fab work...

zachv · 10-05-2009, 03:48 PM

Needs more triangulation...and pics of Dom flexing his muscles.

I still can't believe you guys are powdercoating the chassis Vagina Pink, but to each their own, I guess.

BTW, those tires and wheels look awful familiar.

DozerDan · 10-05-2009, 03:54 PM

FWI I have tried the zip tie shock mount method, it leaves much to be desired. I would at least double them up, might work a bit better...

.... not that it really matters AJ will just hit a tree and roll it right away

CrawfishStu · 10-05-2009, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachv

BTW, those tires and wheels look awful familiar.

Still have the dirt on them they came with.

Timmay · 10-05-2009, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachv

Needs more triangulation...and pics of Dom flexing his muscles.

I still can't believe you guys are powdercoating the chassis Vagina Pink, but to each their own, I guess.

BTW, those tires and wheels look awful familiar.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DozerDan

FWI I have tried the zip tie shock mount method, it leaves much to be desired. I would at least double them up, might work a bit better...

.... not that it really matters AJ will just hit a tree and roll it right away

Noted. Thanks for the input.

Timmay · 10-05-2009, 10:56 PM

A 40 fits like a glove. Almost like I planned it.

These are the end of the day's progress.

Timmay · 10-05-2009, 10:57 PM

OCD shop cleaning much? I think Dom would sweep the shop for 2 hours after every day if I let him.

Turning out real nice. I'm very happy with it so far. Hopefully A.J. thinks the same.

SlowmoSU · 10-06-2009, 05:12 AM

Looks really good Tim.

I'll call you later today.

10-04-2009, 01:21 PM	#1
SlowmoSU BottomsUp RockRacing Join Date: Jan 2004 Member # 26608 Location: New Market, Md Posts: 1,607	Timberwolf 2 - The Rebuild for Racing ALL PICTURES TO DATE LOCATED HERE ---> PICTURES !!!!!!!! Well, after getting a taste of the rock racing this year, and alot of talk, and thought. I tried to sell The Timberwolf for something 2 seats and faster. I had some offers, but with the economy, nobody willing to step up to the plate. It had alot of nice parts, so i decided to just ditch the chassis, and build a new one and use all my parts. In the search for someone to do the rework, I talked to alot of people about this. Timmay from Liquid Iron Industries was one name that kept coming up. http://www.liquidironindustries.com/ I really liked the tube work he did on the ZJ buggy for RCROCS seen here -->ZJ Buggy Build He just moved into a new shop, got setup with some sweet new tools from Baileigh seen here -->New Stuff from Baileigh A new bigass table from Torchmate. So after talking with him about all of this and his ideas for the new buggy, i decided to let him have at it. Dropped the Timberwolf off to him the last Friday in September. The original plan was to use everything from the 4 seater on the 2 seater. But I decided the Rockwells probably weren't the Ideal choice for the racing since it would make chassis design much harder while trying to keep the truck low enough. So, we ditched them, in exchange, some beefy 1 tons. Dana 70 Front, Reid C's and Knuckles, Detroit. 11.5" 14 Bolt FF Rear, Stock Disc brakes, and the new ARB. Trying to use almost everything else. Once Tim got the Old Timberwolf torn down, he started measuring and doing some Bendtech Magic. Drivetrain laid out on the sweet Jig table. Then he started work on the Subframe. This will all get boxed in. __________________ Bottoms Up Rock Racing A.J. Condon Driver of #4414 2010 Competitor The Timberwolf -TW2 The Rebuild For Racing - By Tim @ LII Cell - 410-259-3577 Last edited by SlowmoSU; 11-04-2009 at 10:13 AM.

10-04-2009, 01:21 PM	#2
SlowmoSU BottomsUp RockRacing Join Date: Jan 2004 Member # 26608 Location: New Market, Md Posts: 1,607	Setting the wheelbase, (motor will be moved back a good bit from this location) So, this friday, they started bending some tube. This will much closer to the location of the motor now. This is where we left off, on saturday wee hours. More will resume on Monday. I'm really excited about the whole build. and I cant wait to see what Tim has in store for me in the next few weeks. Constructive criticism is always welcome. __________________ Bottoms Up Rock Racing A.J. Condon Driver of #4414 2010 Competitor The Timberwolf -TW2 The Rebuild For Racing - By Tim @ LII Cell - 410-259-3577

10-04-2009, 01:28 PM	#3
spidr King of Booty Fab Join Date: Oct 2005 Member # 55444 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 5,108	Shame to see the old chassis go, but can't wait for the new one. Timmay builds some cool stuff __________________ The Bitch is taking all my free time .

10-04-2009, 04:52 PM	#5
rokdMJ Genius... NOT Join Date: Aug 2007 Member # 97085 Location: Grand Island (Western Buffalo New York), NY Posts: 176 Blog Entries: 1	Now I see what's taking so long to get my traction bar... LOL Looks fawking awesome so far! Especially that subframe. Can't wait to see the final product. __________________ 2000 XJ 5.5" longarms, 33's, etc... Last edited by rokdMJ; 10-04-2009 at 04:52 PM.

10-04-2009, 07:13 PM	#6
RokYota 3800 Club Join Date: Feb 2008 Member # 108009 Location: Kingston, NY Posts: 581	Damn AJ.......you didn't waste anytime __________________ #585......60's w/ Rear Steer......SC3800 ReBuild--> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...600&highlight= 3800 Bible-->http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=841159 2010 RcRocs, Line Mtn.

10-04-2009, 07:55 PM	#8
redzook Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Member # 15738 Location: Australia Posts: 436	how long is the rear dshaft going to end up? __________________ Thanks to www.longfieldsuperaxles.com

10-04-2009, 08:03 PM	#9
Todd W WeB GUY! Join Date: Jun 2002 Member # 12429 Location: Georgetown Posts: 8,278 Blog Entries: 9	Looking forward to what this turns into Timberwolf was cool beast __________________ FOR SALE 2 Seat Buggy Pro Rock, Sticky Krawlers, King Coilovers & More! 27' Motorhome <50k Miles My 4x4 Blog - ENCO Coupon Codes - Rockwell Parts Directory

10-04-2009, 09:16 PM	#10
JF NOCTURNAL Join Date: Apr 2009 Member # 133890 Posts: 444	I'll be watching this build. Really liking that table / shop set up.

10-04-2009, 10:16 PM	#11
jmhinescj Rock God Join Date: Nov 2003 Member # 24640 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 1,082	Start of the rig looks cool...that's a badass table settup to. __________________ Spotter - Camco Rock Racing - 2010 KOH Hopeful Thanks to our partners: Bulldog Winch, Winchline.com, www.alabamasynthetics.com, Branik Motorsports, Maxxis, www.scratchdesign.org, Allied Wheels '85 cj-7 TBI 350, th400, 203/205 doubler,14 bolt, d60 front, 8274

10-05-2009, 07:04 AM	#13
rajincajingt trail tampon Join Date: Feb 2004 Member # 27333 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,308	i liked the first build, i will be very interested to see what you come up with here! __________________ Fuck Cancer!! 83CJ7-350 on pane-465-205-chromo60&70-h1s-42" SX2s-linked rear-SAWcoilovers 1970 Commando under the knife: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=900628

10-05-2009, 07:48 AM	#14
87k5cucv Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Member # 30451 Posts: 141	I also loved the first one. But no money to buy it lol. Good luck.

10-05-2009, 11:35 AM	#15
87JeepWrangler Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13959 Location: Pa Posts: 2,640	are those bolts through the subframe permanent? will there eventually be a sleeve in between? __________________ -rob

10-05-2009, 01:54 PM	#17
Timmay Rock God Join Date: Sep 2005 Member # 52894 Location: West Berlin, NJ Posts: 1,444	Hopefully we can incorporate this Aveo grill somehow... Mid bar is in place. There's a lot I want to change up front, and the back bar depends on how I like the C pillar angle. After we grab some food we're going to knock out the A to C bars and really get an idea of what the chassis is going to look like. I don't like the front bar forward of the shock. We're going to nix that and do something very simple yet elegant. Huge thanks to Baileigh for making me look good. Creepin on the Tracker. More to come this evening... __________________ Tim Diekmann Liquid Iron Industries, Inc. tim@liquidironindustries.com http://www.liquidironindustries.com/ (856)-336-2639 RCrocs #343 '87 YJ Comp/Race Buggy in the works '00 1 ton 1/2 of an XJ '03 2500 CTD Tow Rig

10-05-2009, 02:02 PM	#18
KrazYJ Granite Guru Join Date: Aug 2005 Member # 51446 Location: New York Posts: 565	lookin good Tim, keep up the awesome fab work...

10-05-2009, 03:48 PM	#19
zachv Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8108 Location: SCHUYLKILL HAVEN, PA Posts: 2,835	Needs more triangulation...and pics of Dom flexing his muscles. I still can't believe you guys are powdercoating the chassis Vagina Pink, but to each their own, I guess. BTW, those tires and wheels look awful familiar. __________________ Have a great day!!! Zach Vaughn. AtoZ Fabrication, Inc. 570-385-3931--shop 570-385-3932--fax MADE IN AMERICA---and proud of it!!! Now scheduling cage/custom work so call now to get on the calendar. CHECK OUT OUR DIY FAB PARTS FOR SALE!! We also offer the best prices available on: Advance Adapters KMC beadlocks wheels Clayton Offroad Suspension Amsteel Winchline and accessories Staun beadlocks and deflators

10-05-2009, 03:54 PM	#20
DozerDan 'SuperDan' Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9144 Location: NJ Posts: 1,659	FWI I have tried the zip tie shock mount method, it leaves much to be desired. I would at least double them up, might work a bit better... .... not that it really matters AJ will just hit a tree and roll it right away __________________ Dan Smith Spotter Team 818 - AdventureWorks MotorSports 'physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight' Fear is not an option! KOH Qualifier Team #818A Thanks to NJXOR EMS Offroad 570 437 4200 Jeff's AutoBody and Recycling "your name here" PM me for details

10-05-2009, 10:56 PM	#23
Timmay Rock God Join Date: Sep 2005 Member # 52894 Location: West Berlin, NJ Posts: 1,444	A 40 fits like a glove. Almost like I planned it. These are the end of the day's progress. __________________ Tim Diekmann Liquid Iron Industries, Inc. tim@liquidironindustries.com http://www.liquidironindustries.com/ (856)-336-2639 RCrocs #343 '87 YJ Comp/Race Buggy in the works '00 1 ton 1/2 of an XJ '03 2500 CTD Tow Rig

10-05-2009, 10:57 PM	#24
Timmay Rock God Join Date: Sep 2005 Member # 52894 Location: West Berlin, NJ Posts: 1,444	OCD shop cleaning much? I think Dom would sweep the shop for 2 hours after every day if I let him. Turning out real nice. I'm very happy with it so far. Hopefully A.J. thinks the same. __________________ Tim Diekmann Liquid Iron Industries, Inc. tim@liquidironindustries.com http://www.liquidironindustries.com/ (856)-336-2639 RCrocs #343 '87 YJ Comp/Race Buggy in the works '00 1 ton 1/2 of an XJ '03 2500 CTD Tow Rig

10-06-2009, 05:12 AM	#25
SlowmoSU BottomsUp RockRacing Join Date: Jan 2004 Member # 26608 Location: New Market, Md Posts: 1,607	Looks really good Tim. I'll call you later today. __________________ Bottoms Up Rock Racing A.J. Condon Driver of #4414 2010 Competitor The Timberwolf -TW2 The Rebuild For Racing - By Tim @ LII Cell - 410-259-3577

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