Sport Specs - XP vs Maverick Vs Wildcat

[atvobsession]

I was curious how all 3 stack up right now....so I took some basic specs, and put them in one place

Length
XP- 108
Mav- 118
WC - 120

Width
XP/Mav/WC - 64

Height
WC - 66
XP - 73
Mav- 74

Ground Clearance
XP/Mav/WC - 13

Wheelbase
XP - 81
Mav - 84
WC - 95

Weight
XP - 1190
Mav- 1297
WC- 1319

HP
WC - 77
XP - 88
Mav - 101



Power/Weight
Mav 1 HP to 12.8 lbs
XP 1 HP to 13.5 lbs
WC - 1 HP to 17.12 lbs

Locker:
XP - Polaris system. AWD on, front diff is open until rear wheel spins 1/5th of 1 turn, then it electrically fully locks the front diff.

Mav - Visco Lok. In 4WD front is open until one of the front tires spins, then hydraulic pressure builds to lock other wheel. This can take 2 or 3 spins.

WC - Has electric selectable front diff locker. I don't know if it is selectable while in motion

My opinion. The Polaris system works surprisingly well in slow technical rock crawling. It takes very little slip for the front to lock and keep moving. It's great for maintaining momentum. It has a rev limiter when it kicks in, so at high speed, requires a little RPM loss to engage.

Can Am is great high speed, but horrible at slow technical riding.

Wildcat- I've never seen it in use, nor do I know if you have to stop to engage it. If so, it would be a momentum killer. Definitely the most manual control of the 3.

[wngrog]

Thanks for typing that up. Nothing out there yet that makes me want to upgrade from the Polaris at this time. Tried and true. A bit on the "cheap" side with the squeeks and the rattles, but mine have been surprisingly maintenance free.

[Rttoys]

Heard the Maverick got it's HP rating from the crank not the wheel like the other 2, but have yet to confirm.

I love the easy on, easy off of my rzr's 4wd. It's the easiest out of every SxS or quad I've ridden.

I have had some good seat time behind the wheel of the Wildcat and I like everything but the steering and overall size. Not saying the size is a bad thing, but stuffing it in my toyhauler would pose a challenge with a quad already in there. it's already tight with the rzr, I haven't had a chance to put the Wildcat in there for referance yet.

the 4wd is on the fly on the WC just like the rzr: you know, you can't have the rears spinning and such. It's a coin toss on which I like better, RZR 2wd, flip 4wd or WC 2wd, flip 3wd, flip 4wd. They both have their place.

[atvobsession]

Be curious what some of the motorheads say....I'm not one.

1) Why is the Wildcat and Maverick SOHC w/ 4 valves? That's rare in the car world. (Polaris XP is DOHC w/ 4 valves, which is more normal in the car world)


2) The Maverick motor is 12:1 compression ratio with recommended 91 Octane. I've heard people saying they wouldn't be able to run much boost with a turbo, because of the high compression with pump gas. Why is that?

[NYCEGUY01]

They are all rated at the motor as far as HP goes.
The WC # seems low but may be correct, I havent kept up in the AC's...

From personal experience a new 2011 800 RZR comes with 58 advertised HP.
On the dyno it had 37 at the wheels.
After a turbo and clutch it was over 110 at 14psi on race gas.
I keep it at 8-10psi on pump gas and I would guess 75-80 HP at the wheel.
In the sand it eats XP's and wildcats ( stock ones anyway..lol )

Any of these motors can get a set of low compression pistons quickly and easily for turbo applications.

[Rttoys]

Originally Posted by atvobsession

Be curious what some of the motorheads say....I'm not one.

1) Why is the Wildcat and Maverick SOHC w/ 4 valves? That's rare in the car world. (Polaris XP is DOHC w/ 4 valves, which is more normal in the car world)


2) The Maverick motor is 12:1 compression ratio with recommended 91 Octane. I've heard people saying they wouldn't be able to run much boost with a turbo, because of the high compression with pump gas. Why is that?

1. Don't know exactly, but I have a few thing churning in my head (like less reciprocating mass, less parts, more simple) .....BUT that doesn't make since to me either in a lot of ways (different valve angles, more cam options).

2. 12:1 means they are trying to squeeze every ounce of performance out of a "stock" motor, but it will require 91 octane to do it. This is something sport machines did in the '90s, now technology is good enough that they don't need to do it so much. it will suck ass for a turbo. Turbo's need low compression to work properly.

This could be a performance/aftermarket nightmare for the gear heads, in a lot of ways.

[Rttoys]

Originally Posted by NYCEGUY01

Any of these motors can get a set of low compression pistons quickly and easily for turbo applications.

But if the DIY'er can slap a turbo on in his garage without touching the engine internals, that would be much better than digging into the engine.

[NYCEGUY01]

If youre afraid of putting in a set of pistons you shouldnt be adding a turbo.
No you specifically. ( rttoys )

Alot of guys throw on a turbo and then wonder why they are blown up a week later.

[Rttoys]

Gotta remember the masses: they just want "bolt ons". Most will only do exhaust, intake mods and simple programming. then the few that will do turbos, will slap them on, push a button on the programmer deally and go. Very, very few will take the time to truly do a turbo properly. Watch the shows on tv, slap it on and good to go.

A high compression engine will hinder the effects of a turbo, thus cutting out a segment in the market that's already small to begin with.

[atvobsession]

Makes sense. Thanks.

[AReed]

I wouldn't get too caught up in the Maverick's HP numbers. The XP will still probably end up being faster. What I'm waiting on is a suspension review for the Mav.
Also don't use any wheel HP number on a UTV and use it for comparison sake. CVT's aren't the best to dyno with as they change with load and other conditions. There's no true 1:1 so its not an apples to apples comparison.

[Rttoys]

Originally Posted by AReed

What I'm waiting on is a suspension review for the Mav.
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Me too. I like my RZRs suspension, I love my buddy's Wildcat suspension, like to see where the Maverick falls into place.

[AReed]

If I was to make a wild guess I would say closer to the XP than to the Wildcat

[Rttoys]

Ya, that's what I figure. But then the whole vico lock stuff It will all depend on what you want to do with the machine.

[blacksheep10]

I've always wondered what final gear ratio is in each of the manufacturers diffs, even include teryx if you know. The fronts are so easy to change (it's a driveshaft and cv's for F's sake) if the ratio was close, just change to a different better kind. I've had an 800 front and rear apart and didn't count the teeth

[rockyota83]

Originally Posted by AReed

I wouldn't get too caught up in the Maverick's HP numbers. The XP will still probably end up being faster.

yea because can am is always losing drag races

if theres a single thing it will do better then the others and fail in all the rest, it will be its power.

[AReed]

ATV yes but not in UTV's it doesn't work that way. My 840 Teryx will smoke a 1000 commander and a XP will wear it out, both smaller displacement motors. Maverick has power on paper but I'm sure ill find out next year at the track.

[AReed]

I'll see what I can dig up for a Teryx diff ratio

[Midwest Ford Wheeler]

I dunno how your 840 is that fast, I can outrun stock xps easy with my 1000x commander. The best thing about canam is the nasty rotax engine.

[Rttoys]

I guess you guy are lucky to have all that open field to drag it out. Down here, not so much . That's why I could care less about top speed and analyze suspension.

[M-1028]

Originally Posted by Midwest Ford Wheeler

I dunno how your 840 is that fast, I can outrun stock xps easy with my 1000x commander. The best thing about canam is the nasty rotax engine.

I guess your talking top speed, cause a stock commander will not beat an XP in a drag race. Commander 1000, XP and wildcat are all sitting in my shop right now and the xp is the clear drag race machine.

[Midwest Ford Wheeler]

My commander to a stock xp loses out of the hole then about 100 yards out I keep even until 50 mph or so winning by a length roughly. Tried it against 3 different xps never ran a wildcat so can't compare to it.

[M-1028]

Originally Posted by Midwest Ford Wheeler

My commander to a stock xp loses out of the hole then about 100 yards out I keep even until 50 mph or so winning by a length roughly. Tried it against 3 different xps never ran a wildcat so can't compare to it.

You have a very fast commander. If you beat xp's in a drag race you will kill the wildcat. That's unbiased because I own the wildcat and my buddies own the xp and commander.

[AReed]

Good Lord was I wrong about everything I said about the Maverick, the thing kicks ass

[Rttoys]

Spill the beans. How does it compare? Is it like the XP or wildcat, or mix of the 2?