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McCracken · 04-29-2009, 05:59 AM

Southern, UFWDA and BRC bringing the heat!

uploads/5/Tellico_NOI_FINAL_4-27-09.pdf

Please see the attached letter. This week the SFWDA along with the UFWDA and BRC issued a notice of intent to Sue under the Clean water act.

"The Forest has engaged itself and the public in a nearly two-year process of swallowing the SELC NOI conclusions hook, line and sinker. The central conclusions of the February 27th letter and the Order/DM closely follow the allegations, if not specific wording, of the NOI. The NOI allegations and Forest’s acceptance of them cannot be squared with the facts or applicable law. Notwithstanding their concerted effort to pursue collaborative and creative solutions at transitioning to a meaningful, active management system at the Area, the Recreational Groups find themselves backed into a corner by the Forest’s actions. Such actions reflect erring on the side of eliminating use that has been continuing for decades. Sadly, the Forest apparently perceives an unsolvable dilemma, despite the fact that alternative, more successful management strategies have been proposed to the Forest from internal and external sources. Absent a meaningful response to the concerns raised here the Recreational Groups will find themselves with no resort but the courts."

k9crazy · 04-29-2009, 06:31 AM

Yep. SFWDA and the lawyers from BRC and United have been working behind the scenes to get this NOI done and out the door. We now have 60 days before we can file suit.

We are not giving up and have moved this into the court system because the FS would not work with us.

JBC · 04-29-2009, 10:14 AM

Glad to see this!

Southeast Offroad · 04-29-2009, 11:03 AM

Amen.

landrovered · 04-29-2009, 01:35 PM

I read the document and I am very glad to see this action taken. This will yield more results than irritating law enforcement and generally making asses of ourselves.

Good Job!

thumping · 04-29-2009, 06:25 PM

Standing ovation....and thanks for keeping us in the loop.

cdazzle · 04-29-2009, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumping

Standing ovation....and thanks for keeping us in the loop.

ditto

funkskunk · 04-29-2009, 08:35 PM

If they would just work with us we wouldn't have to make them look bad in court. Oh well they brought it upon themselves.
In the words of

, "I pity the fool!"

discotech · 05-01-2009, 12:21 AM

AWESOME!!!

Mike

YellowjeepCj · 05-01-2009, 03:37 AM

This is the correct approach. Make sure we have sent a copy of the 60 letter to the US Department of Justice.

yellowxj · 05-01-2009, 06:03 AM

Excellent

cruzila · 05-01-2009, 11:47 AM

Go get em!!

JeepinHank · 05-01-2009, 11:52 AM

Sweet!

rock-rod · 05-01-2009, 05:24 PM

where do we send the $$

k9crazy · 05-01-2009, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rock-rod

where do we send the $$

Thanks!!! We sure need the money!!!

http://www.sfwda.org/trails/tellico/donate.html

yellowxj · 05-02-2009, 04:23 AM

Sent some more money. Only $5 this time I'm running a little low. Maybe it can buy 5 $1 burgers for the legal team?

JohnnyJ · 05-02-2009, 05:37 AM

Excellent. I just read through the file on SFWDA and I'm glad to see action taken.

Nooner · 05-02-2009, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k9crazy

Thanks!!! We sure need the money!!!

http://www.sfwda.org/trails/tellico/donate.html

About time!!! Donation Sent!

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCracken

Southern, UFWDA and BRC bringing the heat!

uploads/5/Tellico_NOI_FINAL_4-27-09.pdf

Please see the attached letter. This week the SFWDA along with the UFWDA and BRC issued a notice of intent to Sue under the Clean water act.

"The Forest has engaged itself and the public in a nearly two-year process of swallowing the SELC NOI conclusions hook, line and sinker. The central conclusions of the February 27th letter and the Order/DM closely follow the allegations, if not specific wording, of the NOI. The NOI allegations and Forest’s acceptance of them cannot be squared with the facts or applicable law. Notwithstanding their concerted effort to pursue collaborative and creative solutions at transitioning to a meaningful, active management system at the Area, the Recreational Groups find themselves backed into a corner by the Forest’s actions. Such actions reflect erring on the side of eliminating use that has been continuing for decades. Sadly, the Forest apparently perceives an unsolvable dilemma, despite the fact that alternative, more successful management strategies have been proposed to the Forest from internal and external sources. Absent a meaningful response to the concerns raised here the Recreational Groups will find themselves with no resort but the courts."

45acp · 05-02-2009, 06:24 AM

Eegggggggggsellent.

BadAssXJ · 05-02-2009, 06:31 AM

Nice!

Georgia Mike · 05-02-2009, 07:37 AM

Donation & sticker order sent! Thanks for sticking up for us!

JBC · 05-02-2009, 12:25 PM

Donation sent!

straightaxle · 05-02-2009, 04:13 PM

sent what $ i could to help out!! go get em!!!!!!

k9crazy · 05-03-2009, 06:23 AM

Thanks again to all those that have sent in a donation. Even small ones are appreciated!

funkskunk · 05-05-2009, 02:23 AM

I'm not sure how this can get setup... but who ever is heading up this cause needs to get donations coming in through GoodSearch --> http://www.goodsearch.com GoodSearch is a free donation type search engine that sends a penny or so every time you search to your designated charity.

Please let us know when it's up and running!! Oh and some motivation for you, yeah TU has multiple causes listed!!

04-29-2009, 05:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
McCracken Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Member # 41137 Location: In the hills of Western North Carolina Posts: 2,253 Blog Entries: 1	Sue their ass Southern, UFWDA and BRC bringing the heat! uploads/5/Tellico_NOI_FINAL_4-27-09.pdf Please see the attached letter. This week the SFWDA along with the UFWDA and BRC issued a notice of intent to Sue under the Clean water act. "The Forest has engaged itself and the public in a nearly two-year process of swallowing the SELC NOI conclusions hook, line and sinker. The central conclusions of the February 27th letter and the Order/DM closely follow the allegations, if not specific wording, of the NOI. The NOI allegations and Forest’s acceptance of them cannot be squared with the facts or applicable law. Notwithstanding their concerted effort to pursue collaborative and creative solutions at transitioning to a meaningful, active management system at the Area, the Recreational Groups find themselves backed into a corner by the Forest’s actions. Such actions reflect erring on the side of eliminating use that has been continuing for decades. Sadly, the Forest apparently perceives an unsolvable dilemma, despite the fact that alternative, more successful management strategies have been proposed to the Forest from internal and external sources. Absent a meaningful response to the concerns raised here the Recreational Groups will find themselves with no resort but the courts." __________________ [QUOTE=climbit;14733286]you guys take this shit way too seriously.[/QUOTE]

04-29-2009, 06:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
thumping Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 85483 Posts: 382	Standing ovation....and thanks for keeping us in the loop. __________________ Given up any right means YOU are not worth one drop of the blood sacrificed to have any right.

04-29-2009, 08:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
funkskunk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Member # 20891 Location: WNC Posts: 302	If they would just work with us we wouldn't have to make them look bad in court. Oh well they brought it upon themselves. In the words of , "I pity the fool!" __________________ Ironman4x4Fab.com

05-01-2009, 03:37 AM	#10 (permalink)
YellowjeepCj Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Member # 32566 Location: Clover, SC Posts: 132	This is the correct approach. Make sure we have sent a copy of the 60 letter to the US Department of Justice. __________________ 83 CJ 7 258, 4:56's, Lockers, Klune V, cage, 8274, OBA and so on.... 90 YJ on tons 3.4 v6 4 link rear, 38 swampers, cage, hyd assist, xdi9000 and so on....

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yellowxj Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Member # 34667 Location: Ocala, Fl Posts: 172	Excellent __________________ Yellowxj part two in progress.

04-29-2009, 06:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
k9crazy Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Member # 92338 Posts: 412	Yep. SFWDA and the lawyers from BRC and United have been working behind the scenes to get this NOI done and out the door. We now have 60 days before we can file suit. We are not giving up and have moved this into the court system because the FS would not work with us.

04-29-2009, 10:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
JBC Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Member # 59728 Posts: 45	Glad to see this!

04-29-2009, 11:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
Southeast Offroad Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Member # 129986 Posts: 28	Amen.

04-29-2009, 01:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
landrovered Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Member # 113473 Posts: 28	I read the document and I am very glad to see this action taken. This will yield more results than irritating law enforcement and generally making asses of ourselves. Good Job!

05-01-2009, 12:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
discotech Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Member # 108303 Posts: 13	AWESOME!!! Mike

05-01-2009, 11:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
cruzila Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6650 Location: Garden Valley Posts: 5,383	Go get em!! __________________ Scott Johnston Rubicon Trail Foundation Founding Director and Past President 2010-2012 WIN a fully built Toyota pickup at Cantina 2013 Davez Off Road and Trail Gear are supporting Rubicon Trail Foundation

05-01-2009, 11:52 AM	#13 (permalink)
JeepinHank Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Member # 21479 Location: Lumberton, NC Posts: 179	Sweet!

05-01-2009, 05:24 PM	#14 (permalink)
rock-rod Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20092 Location: Porker, CO Posts: 3,466	where do we send the $$ __________________ '94 Toyota Land Cruiser FJZ80 - Vortec L33 5.3l, 4L60e, elocked, 3" OME lift, 315 KM2s, Warn 8074.

05-02-2009, 04:23 AM	#16 (permalink)
yellowxj Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Member # 34667 Location: Ocala, Fl Posts: 172	Sent some more money. Only $5 this time I'm running a little low. Maybe it can buy 5 $1 burgers for the legal team? __________________ Yellowxj part two in progress.

05-02-2009, 05:37 AM	#17 (permalink)
JohnnyJ Low Range Drifter Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 7903 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 2,732	Excellent. I just read through the file on SFWDA and I'm glad to see action taken. __________________ DEAK Racing #715 TREC B / Ultra 4 Mod Class Rig Thanks to Drivetrain Specialists and PAC Racing Springs for your support

05-02-2009, 06:24 AM	#19 (permalink)
45acp says "yall" alot Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13671 Location: north of Caddo parish Posts: 3,246	Eegggggggggsellent. Attached Images

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BadAssXJ Go Dawgs! Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 30164 Location: KY by way of GA Posts: 608	Nice! __________________ SAVE THE HAMMERS HELP SAVE TELLICO

05-02-2009, 07:37 AM	#21 (permalink)
Georgia Mike Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 22824 Location: Flowery Branch, GA Posts: 699	Donation & sticker order sent! Thanks for sticking up for us! __________________ [COLOR="red"][B]You can say what you want about the South, but you never hear of anyone retiring and moving North[/B][/COLOR]

05-02-2009, 12:25 PM	#22 (permalink)
JBC Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Member # 59728 Posts: 45	Donation sent!

05-02-2009, 04:13 PM	#23 (permalink)
straightaxle Wheeler Join Date: Aug 2008 Member # 118490 Location: east tennessee Posts: 413	help! sent what $ i could to help out!! go get em!!!!!!

05-03-2009, 06:23 AM	#24 (permalink)
k9crazy Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Member # 92338 Posts: 412	Thanks again to all those that have sent in a donation. Even small ones are appreciated!

05-05-2009, 02:23 AM	#25 (permalink)
funkskunk Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Member # 20891 Location: WNC Posts: 302	I'm not sure how this can get setup... but who ever is heading up this cause needs to get donations coming in through GoodSearch --> http://www.goodsearch.com GoodSearch is a free donation type search engine that sends a penny or so every time you search to your designated charity. Please let us know when it's up and running!! Oh and some motivation for you, yeah TU has multiple causes listed!! __________________ Ironman4x4Fab.com Last edited by funkskunk; 05-05-2009 at 02:26 AM.

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