Tellico Update 02/27/11

[85blue4runner]

havent followed the Tellico saga in quite a while, figured it was all dead and gone now that sidewalks have been installed for the logging companies, which was really the goal all along IMO.

Anyway, an angle that SFWDA may wish to explore is the patent history of that land. Since it has never been sold for developement of houses, etc., it has probably been owned by a logging company, conservation company or the gubmint for its entire history.

I do know that an individual can make a claim on land (yes, even in modern times) and with the right procedures can file for and receive a land patent. Through the BLM records in VA, you should be able to find who holds lawful, legal and equitable title to this land and yes they are all different. If you apply for and receive the patent on a piece of land, you own it hook line and sinker, no permits, no property taxes, all mineral, oil and water rights are included, etc.. It is good old fashioned fee simple land.

I know Alaska, Texas and Florida have patents available for sure and I would assume most other states would as well. You may also see allodial title or title in allodium. I am using land instead of property or real estate for a reason. There are differences there too. The lawyers and most other people dont even know about this stuff, but it could be a feather in your cap. The golden rule is he who has the gold makes the rules...Kind of tough for TU or anyone else to tell you what to do when you own the 8000 acres.....

With 8000 acres there should be no trouble making new trails and even setting it up like one of the many sucessfull private parks that exist around the country. Its not like no one has ever done that before.

[Ho Shorts]

Originally Posted by 85blue4runner

havent followed the Tellico saga in quite a while, figured it was all dead and gone now that sidewalks have been installed for the logging companies, which was really the goal all along IMO.

Anyway, an angle that SFWDA may wish to explore is the patent history of that land. Since it has never been sold for developement of houses, etc., it has probably been owned by a logging company, conservation company or the gubmint for its entire history.

I do know that an individual can make a claim on land (yes, even in modern times) and with the right procedures can file for and receive a land patent. Through the BLM records in VA, you should be able to find who holds lawful, legal and equitable title to this land and yes they are all different. If you apply for and receive the patent on a piece of land, you own it hook line and sinker, no permits, no property taxes, all mineral, oil and water rights are included, etc.. It is good old fashioned fee simple land.

I know Alaska, Texas and Florida have patents available for sure and I would assume most other states would as well. You may also see allodial title or title in allodium. I am using land instead of property or real estate for a reason. There are differences there too. The lawyers and most other people dont even know about this stuff, but it could be a feather in your cap. The golden rule is he who has the gold makes the rules...Kind of tough for TU or anyone else to tell you what to do when you own the 8000 acres.....

With 8000 acres there should be no trouble making new trails and even setting it up like one of the many sucessfull private parks that exist around the country. Its not like no one has ever done that before.

Loan me the money and I'll get right on it.

Derek

[LYIN' KING]

Need a loan?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showp...&postcount=208

[superdooty]

Originally Posted by LYIN' KING

The dude is Thomas L. Thrash

He is a property investor, operates as “Thrash Limited Partnership” in which he and his Wife Lora R. Thrash are principles.

He spends more time in Court than he does on the toilet. There was a big deal over another parcel he once owned years ago when he started to finalize his plans for it.

He was pissed because the courts prevented him from going forward with the project via an ordinance that derailed his plans so he sold to another Limited Partnership and walked away, they challenged the decision.

The obstacle was “The Multi-Family Dwelling Ordinance”, it regulates land based on elevation (no regulation below 2500, one for 2500-3000, another for 3000+) and use.

This piece was above 2500 feet so legal for multi-family dwelling use. This deal went on for several years but eventually was overturned in favor of the new owners, Lott Partnership II in 2009. 

Thrash has ties to Snowbird Anglers via his tenure as a Graham County District Forest Ranger from August 1961 to September 1964 having promoted developments and improvements in recreation including trout fishing on the Cheoah Ranger District in order to attract the very folks to whom he now sells real estate.

He just happens to be the chairman.

Sounds like the evil little dude in "Roadhouse" That Swayze put in his place.

[94toytruck]

Are you watching Rodahouse? Cause its on AMC right now which made that quite funny

[LYIN' KING]

You can bet Thrash ain't watchin' "Road House", he's watching his freakin' bank account grow!!!

[YellowjeepCj]

Latest news on the lawsuit.....SFWDA Lawyer has received a confirmation from the Court canceling the proposed hearing on February 22, 2012. This was due to scheduling conflicts and will reschedule for a later date. No date has been set. It is anticipated that the hearing will be reschedule for the May/June time frame. I will let you know as soon as I know the date.

[Black97TJ30022]

This was posted over on Hardline and I figured I would re-post it over here.

[quote author=kid rok link=topic=16804.msg217793#msg217793 date=1333242798]

Looking up upper two

Top of upper two

This is trail one right along side of the creek. There was alot of silt flowing down the road.

Middle of lower two. You can just barely tell where the ledge is.

This is pretty much what every trail looks like. Trees down, grass planted and sloped. It would be almost impossible to use these trails for anything else but to hike. Even that was hard.

Looking up from the bottom of Slick Rock.


Ledge top of Slick Rock.

Anyways this is what I did today. It took me a few hours , but an easy day hike for anyone that is mostly in shape.
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[94toytruck]

[RedPlastic2p3t]

damn, I need another drink

[doc70sub]

What a waste of good trails....

[McCracken]

those pictures are sad beyond what words can describe

[Bebe]

Originally Posted by YellowjeepCj

Latest news on the lawsuit.....SFWDA Lawyer has received a confirmation from the Court canceling the proposed hearing on February 22, 2012. This was due to scheduling conflicts and will reschedule for a later date. No date has been set. It is anticipated that the hearing will be reschedule for the May/June time frame. I will let you know as soon as I know the date.

I'm sure you would have posted if you know, but is there any update on the date?

[Cochese]

Originally Posted by Black97TJ30022

This was posted over on Hardline and I figured I would re-post it over here.

[quote author=kid rok link=topic=16804.msg217793#msg217793 date=1333242798]

Looking up upper two

Top of upper two

This is trail one right along side of the creek. There was alot of silt flowing down the road.

Middle of lower two. You can just barely tell where the ledge is.

This is pretty much what every trail looks like. Trees down, grass planted and sloped. It would be almost impossible to use these trails for anything else but to hike. Even that was hard.

Looking up from the bottom of Slick Rock.


Ledge top of Slick Rock.

Anyways this is what I did today. It took me a few hours , but an easy day hike for anyone that is mostly in shape.

[/QUOTE]

I would like to do this hike for old times sake. Does anyone know the best place to park for a hike of the old Tellico trails.....trial 1 side (NC) or compground (TN) side? Will I be busted by rangers and/or Trouts Unlimited guys?

[mxcr]

You can hike anywhere in the Nantahala Forest without a problem..
Where to park , would depend on what section you wanted to go to.

[YellowjeepCj]

No word yet on a rescheduled hearing date. I will try to get an update on when we think we will know something this week.

[bobtail82]

We just drove thru there yesterday. No construction going on nor equipment in the area. The road is not finished, looks like they just ran out of money and abandoned the project.
The old switchbacks are still open and drivable, just the surrounding mountain side tore all to hell

[zeke6785]

Always wanted to go wheel Tellico. I remember watching the old Off Highway Adventures with Rick Russel with my dad when I was younger. Then seeing it on Xtreme 4x4 made me wanna go there even more. This is so sad to hear/see.

[yellowxj]

Thanks so much for the pictures! I always have wondered what it looked like since the last time I was there.

[YellowjeepCj]

Thanks for the pictures. We have heard that we may see a hearing date for sometime this summer. There is a backlog of cases and one of the Judges has or will be retiring which has thrown the schedules off a bit. This is the most recent information I have as of first of the week. Will try to keep you all on notice as soon as we know a date and time specific.

[y2knole]

have the fish fuckers completely lost track of this or do THEY know that its being logged like this?

or were they just a pawn in this deal to get the land open for logging? and if so, do they know it, and did they go along for the sake of establishing precedence or what?

[LYIN' KING]

They were a "tool" and will not now stand in the way of a job their backers consider well done.

[MT4Runner]

Originally Posted by y2knole

have the fish fuckers completely lost track of this or do THEY know that its being logged like this?

or were they just a pawn in this deal to get the land open for logging? and if so, do they know it, and did they go along for the sake of establishing precedence or what?

Pics of the logging?

[87manche]

Originally Posted by MT4Runner

Pics of the logging?

search n00b!


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...hlight=logging

[TSEJEEPERS]

I have heard that there are numerous new homes being built all along Davis Creek Rd.
Anyone know if this is true?