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Old 01-01-2003, 10:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Second Dirt!

Finally got some pics, was at truckhaven for New Years

Taken by explorer (Rick H, from explorerforum.com) http://www.explorerforum.com/newyears_03/





Sorry, I was too busy enjoying offroading for once in a long time.

I did break a few welds (upper shock mounts), and my F150 was acting goofy, so I headed home.
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Old 01-02-2003, 06:57 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Sweet hi-pinion rear diff.
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Old 01-02-2003, 08:29 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Great to see it wheeling! Looks sweet.
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Old 01-02-2003, 11:35 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Damn boy, you drove right past me to go play in the dirt.. Shame on you!

So how is it working?

Quick note, noticed you are running rounded u-bolts on the passenger side of the front axle. I got some square ones made up at Deavers Springs for a few bucks. Not sure the round ones will give you any trouble or not. Just check them from time to time to make sure they are not slowly bending, and getting loose on you.

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Old 01-02-2003, 12:13 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Nice to see you out of the garage finally . I have been following your build-up for a while. It looks great rolleyes: . How did your steering work out? From what I could tell of your pictures, it looked like the front tire clearance at the fire wall and drag link/tie rod clearance would be close. I want to know because I am about the same as you for spacing. Would you recommend moving the axle and steering forward a little more??

BTW, where were these pictures taken? Someplace local I hope. We need a good local proving ground.
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rotozuk - I am possibly headed back down to Truckhaven (Salton Sea, Imperial Valley, Southern California for those that don't know) over the MLK holiday. (Jan 18,19)

Tusker - it works pretty good. It *looks* close, but it only has one problem spot - the zerk fitting taps the tie rod only when I'm in baja mode. The SR makes it work good, becuase the axle moves back away from it as it compresses.

If I was to do it again, I'd either a) get the fj80 box, or b) cut off everything on the outside of the frame (the tube and body mount), get 1/4" plate, drill a hole for where the bolt goes, weld a nut on the inside of the plate, and fit it over the hole. It should give you plenty of clearance that way.
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Ya, after looking at your pictures, I did decide to move the box forward just in case. Here is how mine turned out. I am just afraid that the pitmam arm will hit the spring under compression. But it sounds like there may be hope
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Easy fix for that pitman arm - get an OTT pitman arm!

Looks good!
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Is that what you got? Where did you get it? Inchworm? All the OTT stuff is sexy
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rotozuk - I am possibly headed back down to Truckhaven (Salton Sea, Imperial Valley, Southern California for those that don't know) over the MLK holiday. (Jan 18,19)

If I was to do it again, I'd either a) get the fj80 box, or b) cut off everything on the outside of the frame (the tube and body mount), get 1/4" plate, drill a hole for where the bolt goes, weld a nut on the inside of the plate, and fit it over the hole. It should give you plenty of clearance that way.
Hmm.. Think I have to go to a birthday party out at the Hammers that weekend... Maybe that was the following weekend? Truckhaven is a bunch of fun. I have been playing with the idea of doing a ASA event there. But then the ASA is a little weak these days.

Steering- You mean something like this:

Opps, my mistake, that is the affordable FJ80 steering box. Also known as a Saginaw from a Scout. One benefit of the forward facing pitman arm is that it allows the box to mount back further on the frame, leaving more space for a larger radiator.

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Is that what you got? Where did you get it? Inchworm? All the OTT stuff is sexy
Yea, Jim@Inchworm is my OTT connection.

Found it easier to call an OTT dealer, than call OTT themselves.
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I'm gonna try the FJ 60 box...I'll let you know how it works out. Its alot like the Scout box but about 2/3 scale and with the same internals as the IFS box, but reverse rotation.
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I'm gonna try the FJ 60 box...I'll let you know how it works out. Its alot like the Scout box but about 2/3 scale and with the same internals as the IFS box, but reverse rotation.
Hummmmmm sounds interesting
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fj 60 box...
I think that's my new box too scwa I have not even put my toy axle with high steer in yet, but know there's gunna be problems. But the main ?? is........ How hard is it to find a 60 box
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YUO KNOW WHAT ORK GOOD IS A RIGHT SIDE DRIVE STEERING BOX THE YOU CAN MOUNT IT INSIDE THE FRAME
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Bill- it wasnt hard to find at all. I got mine from someone on the POR who saw my posts asking about them. But I found lots on the web when I was looking. Car-part.com listed quite a few.

It seems to offer the best of both worlds...same guts as the IFS, outside mounting, and reverse rotation. I'll post pics as soon as I get it installed.
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That FJ60 box does look pretty nice. I like the nice large 4 bolt maounting plate!! The Saginaw is kind of a small mounting plate with 3 bolts. The size sure does look good, and it probably saves 15 lbs or more too.

On the bright side, the sector shaft on the Saginaw is HUGE.

I was looking at the FJ80 box (I think it was the 80) before I got the Saginaw, and did not like the prices I was getting quoted for them. The low was about $250, some as high as $800!! I think I paid about $60 for the Saginaw, and about $5 or 10 for my pitman arm.

That FJ60 sure looks to be a nice size... Maybe on the next rig.

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Just wondering...

Scwa, do you know if the FJ-60 has the same design steering as the Fj-80? I mean, that's the reason for those lovely hi-pinion 8" diffs: FJ80s had low-steer just like a solid axle toy truck, but the tie rod was BEHIND the axle. Hence the reason for the hi-pinion: So it would clear the tie rod.

I assume they have the same design, then... I just never knew that about the -60.
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Bill- it wasnt hard to find at all. I got mine from someone on the POR who saw my posts asking about them. But I found lots on the web when I was looking. Car-part.com listed quite a few.

It seems to offer the best of both worlds...same guts as the IFS, outside mounting, and reverse rotation. I'll post pics as soon as I get it installed.
I just rebuilt and tapped my Celica box. But if it blows fluid and or I have ANY problems with my hi steer....it's gone! and carparts is saying $500! smoke that! I guess I'll just have to go looking in the PNP's
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Bill-I printed the fj box list fromcar-part...they ranged from a ridiculous $450 all the way down to $100.

TNT-Have no idea about the 80 box, just found out about the 60 box the other day!

I have a pic of one on a sami frame, put its just a liitle too big of a file to post, anyone up for a resize?
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I have a pic of one on a sami frame, put its just a liitle too big of a file to post, anyone up for a resize?
email it to me and I'll drop it to a good size and post them here.

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Here you go:


My one question on these drop pitman arms I'm seeing in these pictures.. How the heck do you plan to use these with leaf springs? I know the picture above has a link suspension.. but it seems to me someof you are running leafs?

Keep in mind that these boxes that are on the outside of your frame puts the pitman right above your spring, thus not a ton of space. I'm not a big fan of lifted springs, so my clearance is pretty darn tight, I suspect that I might need to limit up travel on the drivers side a bit via a bump stop to avoid contact. We shall see.

Well off to work on my new rear suspension.

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p.s. Where the hell can I get a silly u-joint that will mount up to my Saginaw? Everyone is sold out!!
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The fj 60 pitman is a super drooper for sure, but any of the other mini/lc pitmans fit the 60 spline. Also keep in mind that the spring that far up doesnt really move all that much.

Where have you tried to get the Saginaw u-joint it seems like that should be pretty easy to find.
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