Another Steering Q--Battleship pitman arms? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

dumb · 03-26-2003, 09:46 AM

So here is my dilemna, I have a battleship to mount to my sam frame (IH Scout Saginaw PS box)

(thanks Rotozuk!)
but I've come to realize with my coil suspension the forward facing arm won't work because the box has to mount precisely where the coils mount to work properly.

So my question is does anyone manufacture a pitman arm or know of a junkyard pitman arm to reverse the orientation of the pitman arm? If not what other box options are there? Please note it has to be mounted on the outside of the frame with the top wrapping around the frame rail for my application. BTW, it'll be steering high steered d44s attached to 37s.
TIA

Pook · 03-26-2003, 10:06 AM

i don't think it'll be a simple as a reversing the arm cuz the truck will steer opposite. you'd have to run rear facing arms on the knuckles to with the drag link behind the diff.

but i may not understand excactly what your asking i'm still half asleep...

moto261 · 03-26-2003, 10:22 AM

you could always run a toy ifs box what a grand idea i wish i would have tohugh of that

rotozuk · 03-26-2003, 12:09 PM

Pretty much all Saginaw boxes use the same sector shaft design, so a pitman off anything in the junkyard should work for you.

For that matter, just flip the one you have... (see below)

But as stated, it is a reverse rotation box, so having the pitman arm point backward will have you steering backward. You may want to look into a version of the box that has a rear facing pitman arm. Just look around in the junk yards, you should find something that mounts to the outside of the frame with a rear arm. Probably look at trucks as most of the passenger cars mount to the inside of the frame. Usually not a good canidate for the Samurai.

I do like my Saginaw, but you do need to figure out which box style will work best for your project.

Everything is a compromise.

-Wayne

dumb · 03-26-2003, 12:41 PM

Dammmnit! I forgot about the reverse rotation nonsense...

Hey Moto -- SMARTASS

I did think of that, but I want a saginaw box to go along with my GM pump and lines!

Besides I'm allergic to toyotas...

If anybody else has any brain waves, I'd appreciate the input. I vaguely recall Ford running a similar box, but my memory is pretty hazzy!

UZI 9mm · 03-26-2003, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dumb
Dammmnit! I forgot about the reverse rotation nonsense...

Hey Moto -- SMARTASS I did think of that, but I want a saginaw box to go along with my GM pump and lines! Besides I'm allergic to toyotas...

If anybody else has any brain waves, I'd appreciate the input. I vaguely recall Ford running a similar box, but my memory is pretty hazzy!

have patience with me if this link doesn't work, or I've read this all wrong

but skimming over this painfully long, detailed-ish site might help? look at the pictures, the saginaw box has it's arm pointing backwards. Sorry, can't remember- do you *have* to use a box that mounts on the outside of the frame?

Just ignore this if I've bollixed it all up.

Edit:
AWE CRAP I did fawk up and just read the part where you clearly state "has to mount on the outside of the frame"

sorry I'm going back to work now :doofus:

http://cjford.stormloader.com/Jeep/jeepsteer1.htm

moto261 · 03-26-2003, 03:18 PM

you could always run a toy ifs box what a grand idea i wish i would have tohugh of that

or you could go wander around the junk yard and find one that is a sagie box that mounts out side the frame with the pitman arm facing backwards

UZI 9mm · 03-27-2003, 09:48 AM

ok maybe *this* might help

UZI 9mm · 03-27-2003, 09:50 AM

'nother angle.

found these at Alaska dude's site, http://www.alaskaoffroad.com/crossover_steering.htm

you might be able to find what box he used if you contact him?

03-26-2003, 09:46 AM	#1 (permalink)
dumb Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5918 Location: Delta.BC.Canada Posts: 458	Another Steering Q--Battleship pitman arms? So here is my dilemna, I have a battleship to mount to my sam frame (IH Scout Saginaw PS box) (thanks Rotozuk!) but I've come to realize with my coil suspension the forward facing arm won't work because the box has to mount precisely where the coils mount to work properly. So my question is does anyone manufacture a pitman arm or know of a junkyard pitman arm to reverse the orientation of the pitman arm? If not what other box options are there? Please note it has to be mounted on the outside of the frame with the top wrapping around the frame rail for my application. BTW, it'll be steering high steered d44s attached to 37s. TIA __________________ Dave: "This wheeling thing is starting to become a problem" -- (updated)-> EX My Wife... : D Last edited by dumb; 03-26-2003 at 09:48 AM.

03-26-2003, 10:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
Pook wishes he was racing Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3370 Location: BC CANADA Posts: 6,514	i don't think it'll be a simple as a reversing the arm cuz the truck will steer opposite. you'd have to run rear facing arms on the knuckles to with the drag link behind the diff. but i may not understand excactly what your asking i'm still half asleep... __________________

03-26-2003, 10:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
moto261 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 7897 Location: Olympia WA. Posts: 1,196	you could always run a toy ifs box what a grand idea i wish i would have tohugh of that __________________ I WANNA BE A BUGGY GUY

03-26-2003, 12:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
dumb Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5918 Location: Delta.BC.Canada Posts: 458	Dammmnit! I forgot about the reverse rotation nonsense... Hey Moto -- SMARTASS I did think of that, but I want a saginaw box to go along with my GM pump and lines! Besides I'm allergic to toyotas... If anybody else has any brain waves, I'd appreciate the input. I vaguely recall Ford running a similar box, but my memory is pretty hazzy! __________________ Dave: "This wheeling thing is starting to become a problem" -- (updated)-> EX My Wife... : D Last edited by dumb; 03-26-2003 at 12:42 PM.

03-26-2003, 03:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
moto261 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 7897 Location: Olympia WA. Posts: 1,196	you could always run a toy ifs box what a grand idea i wish i would have tohugh of that or you could go wander around the junk yard and find one that is a sagie box that mounts out side the frame with the pitman arm facing backwards __________________ I WANNA BE A BUGGY GUY Last edited by moto261; 03-26-2003 at 03:22 PM.

03-26-2003, 12:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
rotozuk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8965 Location: Lake Forest, CA Posts: 4,028	Pretty much all Saginaw boxes use the same sector shaft design, so a pitman off anything in the junkyard should work for you. For that matter, just flip the one you have... (see below) But as stated, it is a reverse rotation box, so having the pitman arm point backward will have you steering backward. You may want to look into a version of the box that has a rear facing pitman arm. Just look around in the junk yards, you should find something that mounts to the outside of the frame with a rear arm. Probably look at trucks as most of the passenger cars mount to the inside of the frame. Usually not a good canidate for the Samurai. I do like my Saginaw, but you do need to figure out which box style will work best for your project. Everything is a compromise. -Wayne

03-27-2003, 09:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
UZI 9mm Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5832 Posts: 3,833	ok maybe this might help Attached Images

03-27-2003, 09:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
UZI 9mm Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5832 Posts: 3,833	'nother angle. found these at Alaska dude's site, http://www.alaskaoffroad.com/crossover_steering.htm you might be able to find what box he used if you contact him? Attached Images Last edited by UZI 9mm; 03-27-2003 at 09:54 AM.

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