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Old 11-24-2003, 08:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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wrangler spring help

yes i am a newbie but i would greatly apreciate your help i have a sami and i have gotten some wrangler springs but i need to know how long the shackles need to be in the rear for it to sit at a correct hight i have the 5 packs in the back and i am planning on putting the 4s in the front i have a ford 9 inch in the rear and i just fineshed the dana 44 for the front i have moved the front shackle mounting points 6 and a half inches foward and 3 inches higher i also need some idea of how long the shackles should be in the front



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Old 11-24-2003, 09:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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it all depends on what size tires you plan to use. what do you mean "3 inches higher"? i beleive you only get 1/2" of lift for every inch on a shakle. your better off using ad-a-leafs to play with the ride height.
also, you may want to use the 5pack in front to support the engine weight.
you seem to have some fab skills so it shouldn't be to hard to build some shakles to fit your needs.

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Old 11-24-2003, 09:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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well i have 35s on it now and i have put the 5 packs wrangler springs in the back and its sitting pretty much the same hight i have 6 and a half inch long shackles in the back and i dont think that they are workin very well they are damn near horizontal

what i mean by moving the shackle mounting point 3 inches higher is that the top mounting hole is 3 inches higher than the stock mouting hole

and i figured that puting the 5 packs in the rear would help with axel wrap
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Old 11-24-2003, 09:24 PM   #4 (permalink)
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if the shakle sits that far back you may want to extend the chassis and install a shorter shakle. it's hard to tell without all the details of how it's mounted, etc...... pic's would help! go buy a red star and post some up!
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Old 11-24-2003, 09:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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how the hell do i post a picture?
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Old 11-24-2003, 09:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 11-24-2003, 09:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
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you need a redstar!
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Old 11-24-2003, 10:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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like i said i am new i dont know that much about this computer stuff and i dont know how to get a red star maybe this will work


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Old 11-24-2003, 10:46 PM   #10 (permalink)
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okay, it looks like you need to mount the shackle hanger about where you rear bumper is located, and a shorter shackle. this will require you to lower your front shackle hanger though. is that a 3" body lift?
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alright i was hoping that i wasnt goin to have to move my shackle hangers

and ya lots of body lift
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Old 11-24-2003, 10:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Joe that link worked..

As far as shackle length... Well looks like you would need about 15 inches or more if that photo of the rear is a 7 incher.

A better method will be to locate that spring further forward on the frame. You can offset your spring pad centers if needed to keep your axle centered in the wheel well.

As reference check out how the wrangler kit works at Trail Tough. I tried to find a picture, but did not see one in my quick search. Basically, they move that spring mount several inches forward, then use a missing link out back to get a good shackle angle.

If that is not an option then consider making a new shackle mount as far back on the frame as possible. It might even need to be attached to the bumper. (I have this method on mine, and it hits every damn rock out there!)

You can see my shackles hang way out there: (Toy springs)
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maybe i should just make a shorter shackle and try that first
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Old 11-24-2003, 11:07 PM   #16 (permalink)
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my springs are pretty much flat what about just making a shorter shackle
the only thing that i like about having that long shackle is its allowing that rear to droop a lot more


and what about those front shackles i have moved the mouting point foward about 6 and a half inches how long of a shackle do i need up there

or do i need to wait until i get the dana 44 under there

thanx for your information this is my first axel swap!
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If you dont want to redo your mount try the shorter shackle and try a add-a-leaf to arch the spring a little.....I use Pro crap-comp add-a-leafs the work real well the give you a little more height...they are not to stiff either case they taper down at the ends...here are 4 packs with a add-a-leaf
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ur saying do an add a leaf in the rear

if so should i also do add a lead in the front ? or make up 4 the height difference in front shackles
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Old 11-24-2003, 11:51 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Joe,

The questions you are asking, I can not suppply a simple answer to. You will need to work out the lengths based on where your mounts are.

I do not think that an add-a-leaf will help other then it might keep some more arch in the spring. Sure not enough to help that rear angle. Islandzuki can you show him a picture of your TrailTough spring mounts to give him a better idea. (Looks like the TT kit from the dog bone shackle.)

When you look at their kit you will see that they are moving all mounting locations to make room for the longer springs.

When I did my suspension I based the shackle mounts on where my spring ended up. I knew the angle I wanted to target for my shackle. (90 degrees to the spring leaf) and then estimated this position on the frame. This can be hard to be correct as you will need to have all of the vehicle weight on the spring. But you can be very close to ideal. I then made up any error in the angle by adjusting the length of the shackle. If you look at my picture above you will see that my front and rear shackles are different lengths. They both started off at about 5 inches, and are now about 7-8 inches. Rather long. I can run shorter shackles, but needed a bit more lift for shock issues.

The front axle shackle length is very important as it also changes the caster angle for the steering. Do not mess this one up. You need to determin what is correct for your Dana 44 variant, then make sure your spring is going to give it this angle.

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Here is my front I usto use the TT front mount but I ripped it off on a trail run then made these
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these are the TT rears this is straight from there site....bolt on too..
For use with our rear Missing Links. These bolt-on hangers move the mounting point of the longer Jeep YJ springs forward, keeping the rear axle in its proper location without diminishing the usefulness and ride quality caused by re-drilling the perches or springs - which moves the axle away from the springs center. This system yields major improvements in articulation and ride quality.

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well i think that im goin to order those tt rears it seems like an easy way out. i also think that i am goin to try an add a leaf.

Islandzuki are u using the 2 inch add a leaf?
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Old 11-25-2003, 12:07 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Hey joe,
rotozuk is right, it looks like you just need the front spring mounts to pull the springs forward. How far back did your axle move with that set up? If you want, I'm in Windsor with my rig torn down and I have the Trail Tough/CSC YJ kit. You could check it out before you order anything.
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it looks like i am a little late i just ordered the front and rear yj spring hangers from tt

im not sure how far my axel moved, just looking at the tire in the wheel well it looks almost 2 inches.

i am kinda stuck my dana 44 wont be fineshed until friday and my hangers arnt goin to be here until early next week

zuk88 i would still like to check out your rig if you dont mind

u wouldnt happen to have done a dana 44 swap would u this is my first front axel swap and i need to c one done in person

thanx JOE
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