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Old 02-14-2004, 12:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lightbulb Dana 300 to "any" GM tranny info HERE!

Someone asked a ? about this on another board and now that I have pics, I'll pass it on here too. The following GM tranny's all had the same rear output 6 bolt pattern's but with either 27 or 32 spline count shafts.

700R4
4L60
NV3500
NV4500

There are likely others out there but these seem to be the more popular OD units. Most places sell adapters for the mating of a Dana 300 to these cases but I'm here to tell you, you don't need one. All you need is a new input shaft for the Dana to match the spline count of the tranny you're using. If memory serves me, the Ford's also used NP transfer cases, so this "may" also apply to those tranny's too? I don't know for sure.

Anyway, buy the new input from Novak Conversions for like 180-190 and that's it. The Dana will bolt up to the tranny short of the one lower left bolt, but it can be made to fit with a little drilling. No biggie anyway, there are 5 other bolt points.

Here's the Dana mated directly to the tranny giving it a 10 degree drop:



If that's too high for you, just buy a cheapo Dana 300 clocking ring for $90 from CJoffroad.com and clock it. Here's the case clocked to 20 degrees down:



And the case clocked further down to a stock Dana looking 30 degrees:



Need more info/questions/pics? Just ask. Hope I helped someone out with this...

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Old 02-14-2004, 12:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Last pic didn't work. Here it is again at 30 degrees:



Won't work. Don't know why? Anyway, you get the point...

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Old 02-14-2004, 01:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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According to the Novak page, the 700R4 still needs an adapter.
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Old 02-14-2004, 04:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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According to the Novak page, the 700R4 still needs an adapter.
Yeah you need the factory NV adaptor that came on a four wheel drive 700r4, there is also a 6 bolt adapter for the th400. And anything with a np208 t case will have the 6 hole round pattern. like a d300

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Yep the 700R4 has a 4 bolt patern on it, though the newer 4l60e has a 6 bolt patern, not sure if its the same though.

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No, the 700R4 doesn't use a 4 bolt pattern. Technically, yes, but it comes STOCK with the adapter on it. It's a part of the 4wd tranny so you don't need to buy one. Unless you have a 2wd 700R4 which is useless to begin with. I had a 4wd 700R4 and it also bolted up to the Dana the same way the tranny in the pic does. NO ADAPTER NEEDED other than the stock piece on the tranny. Just a new input on the Dana...

That's the reason I posted this. The idea that people don't need an adapter when they're being sold everywhere, is hard for people to grasp. It can be done...

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Let's see..



http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthrea...ith ring 2.JPG

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No, the 700R4 doesn't use a 4 bolt pattern. Technically, yes, but it comes STOCK with the adapter on it. It's a part of the 4wd tranny so you don't need to buy one. Unless you have a 2wd 700R4 which is useless to begin with. I had a 4wd 700R4 and it also bolted up to the Dana the same way the tranny in the pic does. NO ADAPTER NEEDED other than the stock piece on the tranny. Just a new input on the Dana...

That's the reason I posted this. The idea that people don't need an adapter when they're being sold everywhere, is hard for people to grasp. It can be done...

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Funny My 700 has 4 holes in the back of it, and its a 4wd tranny. Maybe thats because if you buy a built tranny it typically has a 2wd case, and you dont get the adapter for free.

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If it doesn't have one on there, then your SOL. Well, not really. They're all over the yards. Just pic one up for nothing.

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So all I need to do is get the new input from novak and a 300 will bolt up to my 700r4 that came out of a 4x4 chevy blazer?

What is the part number of the new input shaft?
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Well, is the adapter on the Chevy Blazer tranny a 6 bolt pattern? What year is your Chevy truck? The reason I ask is because I saw a guy on another board that had a 700R4 from a Chevy 4x4 that had the NP231 mounted to it. It HAD a 5 bolt pattern on the rear of the adapter???? I have never seen that before. So to answer your question, it may bolt up.

The easiest way to check is to check the bolt pattern on a Dana 300 and match it to yours. If it fits, you're good to go. Then, call Novak

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i run an atlas behind my th400 with the stock th400-np208 adapter. i also ran a d300 behind this tranny and adapter but it required a 32 spline imput for the d300 from AA. one hole needs to be redrilled in the adapter plate to fit the d300/atlas pattern.
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I could've sworn I saw this in another thread. Oh I know it was the one when you were putting your powertrain together for the zuk a long time ago and I mentioned that.

Anyways, the stock 6 bolt ADAPTOR will bolt to a Dana 300 with all that's needed to be changed is the input shaft on the 300. The 700r4 and T350 both have a four bolt rear case and can use this stock 700r4 to NP series case to acheive the 6 bolt pattern. The 200R4 also has the same four bolt case and can accept this same adapter (also 27 spl). The NV 3500 and 3550 both have the proper adapter and require a 27 spl shaft (if they are GM, none if they are jeep -- if you have the heep version with a GM BH, clutch/flywheel you don't need anything). The NV 4500, 4L80E and the T400 both have the 32 spl output and require the 32 spl d300 input (different adapters though). The 4L60 is the same as the 700R4. The 4L60E is different but can use it's own factory adapter to do the same thing (with a 27 spl input installed to the d 300). FWIW, with the 4L60E you can install a small adapter to convert from the 6 bolt case to the same as a 4 bolt 700r4 rear casing (bought from downey, JTR, Advance). Then use a stock 700r adapter to the dana 300. Teh advantage here is that they usually have a VSS location machined into them. Helpful when using a newer vortec.

I've bolted a 300 to a 700r, 4l60E, 200r4 and nv 3500 in my swapping history... so it does work.
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ok guys, I have been reading up this quite a bit and been lookin into the adapters and all the other crap. What I want to know is, what about the VSS? I have to have it. Is there an adapter for the VSS in the tailshaft housing for the D300? I really dont want to spend anymore money on my tranny and I dont want to take it out, again, for the 4th time in year. Hopefully you guys can help me out on this.

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Soooo, when mating a D300 to a 700R4, how do you keep the ATF out of the D300?
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Soooo, when mating a D300 to a 700R4, how do you keep the ATF out of the D300?
there is a seal on the input.. like a 241 I do believe. Also the 4L80E is the 6 bolt trans 700r4,4L60, 4L60E are 4 bolt in 2wd and 4wd the 6 bolts are the adapter to 4ed t-case.
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ok guys, I have been reading up this quite a bit and been lookin into the adapters and all the other crap. What I want to know is, what about the VSS? I have to have it. Is there an adapter for the VSS in the tailshaft housing for the D300? I really dont want to spend anymore money on my tranny and I dont want to take it out, again, for the 4th time in year. Hopefully you guys can help me out on this.

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You are using a 700R4 with a newer vortec then I take it? Like I said earlier, a few companies (AA, Novak) make adapters with a new reluctor ring and a bung to accept a factory VSS, these also use a factory 700r4 adaptor or a $500+ AA/Novak unit. With that said, I'm sure someone has come up with a single one piece version of this now.

FWIW, A factory adaptor for the 700r4 does not have a provision for the VSS as the engine it was orginally mated to does not have a VSS. Also note, the factory 4L60E adapter also does not have a VSS provision (It's also a weird 5 bolt pattern). In a 4wd version the VSS is in the t'case. In a 2wd tranny it's on the tailshaft housing. I worked with my machinist to build an adapter between a 4L60E a crawler (NP241 guts in a custom housing) to a dana 300 that incorporated the VSS. The bolt pattern of the NP 23X/24X and d300 are the same except one hole. I'll post pics of this later. The reluctor ring is really cool.

Conversley there are a few companies making a VSS kit that mounts to a pinion yoke of your differential (check out Jags That Run -- google it). With a little modification these kits could be adapted to a yoke on the 300 which are the same as the 44 yokes. The benefit is it's cheaper and can be protected if mounted to the 300 and protected with a t'case skid plate. The draw back is they are exposed to the elements.
A couple things to consider.
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anyone know if there is a kit to divorce a D300?
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It's funny to see old posts come back to life Seems like ages ago that I was building that rig.... hope it still helps someone

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Although they are rare,the early Cherokee with the carbed GM 2.8L used a T-5 that will take a D300.CJs I think too,although they hooked it up to an AMC V-8.
I tracked an old Cherokee down and used its T-5 rear case and guts to build a D300 compatible 5 speed that also bolted up to my later model,TBI 2.8L.
Its nice and tucked with no mounting ring.And although the T-5 doesnt have the best of reputations,they fit damn near ANYTHING and can handle a fair amount of torque if you go for a later,World Class version or run a V-6.Just swap on the Cherokee rear housing and a 4WD mainshaft and your there......

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I've bolted a 300 to a 700r, 4l60E, 200r4 and nv 3500 in my swapping history... so it does work.
ummm I hate to burst your bubble. The TH200 4R, not 200r4 (no such animal often wrongly called this because of its big brother Th 700 R4) does not have a removable tail shaft so you didn't bolt it up to anything.
I know these tranys very well I'm a GN guy

all the other info on the 300 is correct
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ummm I hate to burst your bubble. The TH200 4R, not 200r4 (no such animal often wrongly called this because of its big brother Th 700 R4) does not have a removable tail shaft so you didn't bolt it up to anything.
I know these tranys very well I'm a GN guy

all the other info on the 300 is correct

Ohh... OK mr. GN guy. I guess then I must not have done the swap as I've claimed to and there isn't currently a truck that I built with those two elements in it sitting in my driveway????

No one ever said anything about a removeable tailshaft. If you read it again it talks about installing a 27 spl INPUT shaft for the D300 therefore matching up to the EXISTING 27 spl output of the TH200 4R as you've so eloquently corrected me (and every other source for the description of this tranny) on. I did however mention a removeable tail shaft housing for a 2wd 700R4 and or a 4L60E...

To your credit, I think you are talking about a completely different tranny. We're talking about the GM 4 spd auto with OD with a 60* BH bolt pattern. The same pattern as a BOP engine. This tranny was replaced by the 700R4. So are we on the same page? If we are talking about the same tranny, you are wrong and I will get the pics to prove it. I don't have them on this computer.
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Am I reading this right? BOP pattern is the same as 60* V6? Doesn't seem right, but if so, I just learned something.

Anyway, the TH200 was used in other vehicles that the GNs. There were some in the s-series behind the 4-cylinders, not sure if there were 4wd options though. For the most part, the 700 was used for anything from 4cyl to bigblock. Gotta love Chevy.
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the th200 4r was never used in a 4wd application as i said the tail shaft is not removable therfore it can not be bolted to a transfer case.
the TH200 4r did not come in a 60* bellhousing (2.8, 3.4, 3800 )
the BOP 90* (3.8 307 etc) with different bolt pattern then chevy
however the Th200 4r came in both chevy 90* and bop 90* or called the universal bellhousing
the 4 speed trany used in 4wd s series p/u s was the the TH700 r4 and the 4L60 ( the th700r4's replacement) later the 4L60E
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