Samurai with toyota axles

[matt88k]

Any one running a Samurai with toyota axles and 4.10 gears with 35 inch tires? How is the gearing? Can i run this for now and swap gears later?

[Bill4rest]

Originally posted by matt88k
Any one running a Samurai with toyota axles and 4.10 gears with 35 inch tires? How is the gearing? Can i run this for now and swap gears later?

Depends on your t-case

[schuss]

I run that with a 6.5 to one case. Reduction is about right I think, just slow like a samurai on 35's is.

[matt88k]

Still stock t case.
Also wandering about gear reduction. Is it better to swap axle gears or t case gears?

[FeCamel]

Are you talking on road? Mine has 36s and Toy axles with 4.30s and it's a bit of a dog on the road (duh). It's not too bad on the trail with a geared case, but it will take a lot of effort for your case to spin 4.10s with 35s at the ends. You'd better have some good t-case mounts. I'd get some 5.29s or at least 4.88s if I could afford it. You'll be OK until then, just be careful and don't expect to move too fast on the road.

[FeCamel]

Originally posted by matt88k
Still stock t case.
Also wandering about gear reduction. Is it better to swap axle gears or t case gears?

I would gear the axles first, because that will make it easier for the whole rest of the drivetrain.

[Bill4rest]

Originally posted by matt88k
Still stock t case.
Also wandering about gear reduction. Is it better to swap axle gears or t case gears?

Your screwed with a stock case. Gearing? On this site, I think most will say t-case AND axle gears.

Are you crawling? You need to tell people how you're going to use it.


FYI I'm using 35 MTR's, a GRSII t-case/Rockblock and stock 4.10's in my toy axles. That put's me at 132:1 final. Good enough for crawling for me, but the street driving sucks. Thus I will be putting in 5.29's as soon as I can afford it.

[AZRocks]

Originally posted by matt88k
Any one running a Samurai with toyota axles and 4.10 gears with 35 inch tires? How is the gearing? Can i run this for now and swap gears later?

Yup, and it works great. It probably helps that I'm running a 22r as well.

[Goldmember]

I've got a 4:1 case and a new set of 5.29's in the garage. I'll be running that with my current 33's. No idea how this will be on the road but I'm building it for wheelin. Once I go to 35's I plan on getting some sort of doubler. Not sure which one though.

Koko

[Tusker]

Originally posted by matt88k
Still stock t case.
Also wandering about gear reduction. Is it better to swap axle gears or t case gears?

With the stock case, you won't be able to use 5th gear at all. If you do a LOT fo street driving and want a capable trail rig, I would go as low a ct0case as you could with 4.88's. If trail perfromance is the most important with some highwat driving, I would make it 5.29's. Reagrdless of which one you do first, tou will need both the case and R&P to get you where you want to be. Since the case gears help as much as the R&P on the road and help way more on the trail, I would do the case first.

[88zuker]

My current set up is Toyota axles 5.29 gears 4to1 tcase and a 1600 valve with 35x14.50 boggers and it work great. I dont think you will have enough to turn 35s without a tcase and axle gears

[SilverZuk]

The stock t-case w/ stock axles and 31’s sucks off road – BAD. Clutch smoking, no crawling, keep it on the road because it is worthless off road bad.

4.10s are not that much lower than 3.73. You can hardly tell the difference when driving except at highway speeds.

A 35 has a 113% larger circumference than a 31
4.10 gears are 110% lower than the stock 3.73
And this doesn’t take in consideration additional inertia caused by the increased weight of the tire.

If you are cruising the mall it might be marginal, if you plan on wheeling it – you’ll need gears.

[cheapzuk]

Before I had my tcase gears installed, I had it with the stock gears for about a month to get me back and fourth to work, (no offroad). It was ok. I could go with traffic in the slow lane and I even passed a few big trucks! The slightest incline really put me in my place though It will get you through on the street for awhile till you get up the cash for gears. At least you'll have a lot of the work out of the way.

[cheapzuk]

BTW, Tusker's right. Don't even think about 5th gear. It'll only slow you down!

[zc911]

how about 33s with stock Tcase and toy 4:10s?

[cheapzuk]

There's a formula to figure out what gears you would use to the tire size you want just to keep it stock. I think the formula is (new tire size / old tire size) x sold gear ratio = new gear ratio. If this is right, it would be (33/29) x 3.73 = 4.24. So you would need a 4.24 ratio to keep it stock. You'd still be undergeared. From what I've learned though, It's better to spread your gearing out between the diff and the t case. I think you're going to have to spring for some t case gears if you want it to be useable.

[SJ410Bark]

My current set up in my 84 SJ410 is the stock 1 liter 4 cyl., 4 speed trans, 4.16 Tcase, Toy axles w/ 4.10s , and 37x13 Boggers AND........


IT SUCKS!!!!!!!!

3rd gear is the final gear on the street....
top speed of around 45 MPH, does great on the trail though. I am goin V6 and SM420. If you're gonna stay with the 4cyl, gear the axles too. You'll be happier.

my .02

[Chemical442]

Originally posted by SJ410Bark
My current set up in my 84 SJ410 is the stock 1 liter 4 cyl., 4 speed trans, 4.16 Tcase, Toy axles w/ 4.10s , and 37x13 Boggers

Pictures, please.

[SJ410Bark]

UM..........OK

[SJ410Bark]

take 2

[Chemical442]

Thank you.

[SJ410Bark]

oh yea, and the new winch too

[zookbrat]

Originally posted by Goldmember
I've got a 4:1 case and a new set of 5.29's in the garage. I'll be running that with my current 33's. No idea how this will be on the road but I'm building it for wheelin. Once I go to 35's I plan on getting some sort of doubler. Not sure which one though.

Koko

You will love it! I had 5.13 gears and a 4.16 in my sj for a while. With a fully loaded trailer I could start off in 4th gear in low. Street was good too.

[kd7srj]

stock 1.3 with a header and a K&N filter .....like it helps....... ....4.30 toy axles 33's and dual t cases 4th gear crusing at 35-40 and 5th wound out on the freeway still pedal to the floor reduction is good for wheeling but wouldnt even try it without t case reduction or multiple cases but when i go wheeling with full sizes and jeeps i want to prove something so i would rather not go too big with the tires till you have gears i would go lower axles first then t case gears...but WTF do i know

[zc911]

Originally posted by cheapzuk
There's a formula to figure out what gears you would use to the tire size you want just to keep it stock. I think the formula is (new tire size / old tire size) x sold gear ratio = new gear ratio. If this is right, it would be (33/29) x 3.73 = 4.24. So you would need a 4.24 ratio to keep it stock. You'd still be undergeared. From what I've learned though, It's better to spread your gearing out between the diff and the t case. I think you're going to have to spring for some t case gears if you want it to be useable.

damn lol

What if i was making triple the HP compared to a stock sammy?
Would gearing be as much of an issue then?