Are these D44? They say Spicer on them.

[pk]

I got these axles from a neighbor. If they are good, I'm thinking about building them up and putting them under my new Samurai.

I think they are from a Jeep. They have an offset rear. They say 3.54 gears. I have not opened them up yet. They spin and don't look damaged. The front does not have hubs to lock them. They are full time 4 wheel drive. I can almost make out the numbers on them.

Spicer
4C-35294 ?
35 C937
16 13 / 3/54
They have a 44 on them.

[Vermin]

Look like it to me. Never seen a diff cover with that big ole spicer badge on it though.. interesting.

[billj]

D44s............

[pk]

Originally Posted by Vermin

Look like it to me. Never seen a diff cover with that big ole spicer badge on it though.. interesting.

It's actually a oil filler hole. The badge is rubber.

[Rockrat]

Yes D-44 NOTE IF you want any large gear then a 3:73 you will have to get different carriers.

[pk]

Originally Posted by Rockrat

Yes D-44 NOTE IF you want any large gear then a 3:73 you will have to get different carriers.

I'm going to be running the VW 1.6L TD (ppillard's old rig). I'm going to convert it to coils and make it street legal.

[zukfreak56]

dana 44 all the way i have 2 and both of them have the exact same badge the oversized spicer thing anyways just thought i would let ya know

[pk]

So, now that I know these are D44's, should I use them under my new Samurai? I can get a set of Toyota axles also. I originally wanted to use Toyota axles, but since I have these just sitting here....

How much does it cost to rebuld them? I'm going to spool them most likely. There is no hub on the front, so I'll probably want to convert them to hubs. Locked front would suck driving down the road.

My ride has a 1.6TD and Toyota transmission. I'm going to go three link with coils. This is going to be a full on rock crawler but street legal.

So is it worth building these up, or should I go with the toyota's.

[zukfreak56]

go with the dana's they are stronger than yota's and they dont cost a whole lot to rebuild

[tZUKnami]

Are those 5 lug? The only full time 4wd D44 I know of is. 5 on 4.5 or something like that.

[Rockrat]

Originally Posted by zukfreak56

go with the dana's they are stronger than yota's and they dont cost a whole lot to rebuild

Wrong

[RocKrawler]

Originally Posted by Rockrat

Wrong

Second that..

[ZUK]

Originally Posted by Rockrat

Wrong

ouhhhh...hurt somebodys feelins.


hey PK-----that last pick...kinda looks like it says "41".
edit----not a 41 cause I just checked the cover shape.....I concur on the 44.

[Rock King]

Originally Posted by zukfreak56

go with the dana's they are stronger than yota's and they dont cost a whole lot to rebuild

I would go w/ the toyota axles. they already have 4.10 or lower depending on what year they are. and there isn't nearly as much fab. work involved in hanging yota axles. and yota axles are alot lighter. if you are looking for light weight. to change the d44 axles to 4.10 or lower you will have to buy a carrier, install kit, ring and pinion, and the labor to have them installed.$$$$$
that's just my .02. good luck

[pk]

Originally Posted by tZUKnami

Are those 5 lug? The only full time 4wd D44 I know of is. 5 on 4.5 or something like that.

These are actually 6 lug.

[pk]

Originally Posted by Rock King

I would go w/ the toyota axles. they already have 4.10 or lower depending on what year they are. and there isn't nearly as much fab. work involved in hanging yota axles. and yota axles are alot lighter. if you are looking for light weight. to change the d44 axles to 4.10 or lower you will have to buy a carrier, install kit, ring and pinion, and the labor to have them installed.$$$$$
that's just my .02. good luck

I'm going to be using the VW TD engine. I don't think I want to gear down the diffs. I have to keep the RPM's down on the Deisel engine. Some of the stuff I've been reading is to keep everything stock gearing and then get a Rock Block or something to gear down. The other problem I have is the VW TD is connected to a Toyota Transmission. So I can't stick the Rock Block in there. I'm going to have to visit the VW Deisel thread again to find out the best thing to do.

[ShadowZuk]

In my experience with swapping in toy axles vs dana 44's. The toys are hell of a lot easier to swap. The toys also have alot more aftermarket axle options than the danas and are much stronger in that aspect. I like the danas because of the open knuckle better turning radius, bigger brakes and stronger housings over all. I have a zuk with danas and one with toys. Which I like better I'm not sure, for the simplicity toys hands down.

[zukzilla4x4]

Originally Posted by tZUKnami

Are those 5 lug? The only full time 4wd D44 I know of is. 5 on 4.5 or something like that.

wrong those are narrow track waggy, quadra track axles, 6 lug .
great axles i have a set under mine

[zukzilla4x4]

Originally Posted by ShadowZuk

In my experience with swapping in toy axles vs dana 44's. The toys are hell of a lot easier to swap. The toys also have alot more aftermarket axle options than the danas and are much stronger in that aspect.

get out and look a little ,there is as much for danas as toys

[RedneckTaco]

DING DING DING. Looks like waggy 44's to me. 6 lug, full-time front, 59" WMS-WMS (I believe). Roomate's rebuilding a set for his heep. 700$ or so for 4.88s with a spool in the rear and master installs. Gonna be another 100$ or so for hubs. I vote for Yota's. Cheaper (and easier) to get lower gears in it. Already come with 4.10's, which would work alright with your setup. Or if you look hard...factory 4.30's or 4.56's. Just my opinion tho.
Allan

[zukfreak56]

Originally Posted by RedneckTaco

DING DING DING. Looks like waggy 44's to me. 6 lug, full-time front, 59" WMS-WMS (I believe). Roomate's rebuilding a set for his heep. 700$ or so for 4.88s with a spool in the rear and master installs. Gonna be another 100$ or so for hubs. I vote for Yota's. Cheaper (and easier) to get lower gears in it. Already come with 4.10's, which would work alright with your setup. Or if you look hard...factory 4.30's or 4.56's. Just my opinion tho.
Allan

if you would have read the whole post you would have seen where he doesnt want the diff gears to be that low..

[juicebox]

Go Dana's.

That is all.

[pk]

Originally Posted by ShadowZuk

I like the danas because of the open knuckle better turning radius, bigger brakes and stronger housings over all.

Ahh Ha! Yes, I would very much like a better turning radius. That makes up my mind then. I should build these dana's up. I have a stock Samurai and I would think that it could turn better. My wife's Jetta can turn in the street where I can't in my Samurai. There is a lot of trails that I end up backing up to turn the corner.

I'm also going to probably be bashing them on rocks and what not being a rock crawler and all. So the Dana's would be much better for that. I guess I should also weld on diff caps just in case?

I'm going to have to find some prices on rebuilding these. I would like to go disc brakes. I'll need new seals, bearings, and what not since they've been lying in a field for years. I want to spool them, but if lockers are cheap I'll go that way. I want to lock them up on the cheap then save up for Air Lockers.

Oh, I'll need to find a steering box for it. I want to go power or hydro assist on them?

Since the rear is offset diff, will I have a problem with the Toy transfer case?

Is there anything else I need to know?

[bildo]

Looks like Wagoneer 44s to me. The 3.54 gear ratio is also very common to Wagoneers. The lack of locking hubs is easily corrected. Buy a set of Warn hubs for about $80 and call it done. The Waggys used a drive flange that you'll toss in the trash when you install the Warn hubs. Remove the bearing cover and you'll see the drive flange inside.

[Firefyter_Emt]

Nawh.. Keep the flange! Cheap & easy "blown hub" trail spare..