Zuk w/XJ's Front and Rear - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

AFTERMARKET4X4 · 12-21-2004, 06:07 PM

Here are pic's of a friends Zuk. He installed a set of Cherokee rear leaf springs in the front and in the rear. It also has Missing-Link in the front and looooong drop bars in the rear similar to what Tim Porter uses. This thing flexes link mad!

Sean

zuknstien · 12-21-2004, 07:22 PM

wow does that whole thing drop out in the back?

OKIE ZUK · 12-21-2004, 07:32 PM

I'd like to see it on a steep downhill, when he hits the brakes.

CumminsZuk · 12-21-2004, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OKIE ZUK

I'd like to see it on a steep downhill, when he hits the brakes.

2nd that

billjohn · 12-21-2004, 08:10 PM

Drop bars have been proven to work well when done right (Tim Porter, Jeff Pollock, and maybe a few others). But if you want insurance - add a limiting strap from the diff to the frame. This allows for all the articulation you want without allowing both sides to drop at once.

Tusker · 12-21-2004, 09:07 PM

Do you have a plain old side-shot to get an idea of wheel base and axle placement?

bulletproof · 12-21-2004, 11:41 PM

seems like it would flex plenty with just the xj leaves. how much flex is to much? i've been pondering that question for awhile, and it seems it isn't as much as i used to think.

Bill4rest · 12-22-2004, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bulletproof

seems like it would flex plenty with just the xj leaves. how much flex is to much?

Ding ding

SOBX2380 · 12-22-2004, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OKIE ZUK

I'd like to see it on a steep downhill, when he hits the brakes.

Yeah...me too!! I'm picturing a mechanical bull with a Sammi tub on it. WOOOOHOOO!!!! A center mounted limiting strap would be wise!
Nick

94SASMAZDER · 12-22-2004, 01:29 PM

lets see the pics of this thing flexin like mad

glfredrick · 12-22-2004, 03:18 PM

I have a friend with what appears to be a flatfender Jeep (only thing Jeep is the grill) that is running a setup like that out back - it works better than you might think - but he has some wheel hop issues (not axle wrap - bounce). He is going to run a set of coilovers with it to see if he can control the hop better. I've seen him step up on some stuff with that setup that the rest of us just sit back and look at...

jeeppartz · 12-22-2004, 05:16 PM

I saw this zuk with the front tire in the sunroof of a honda and the rear tires on the ground . It works .

AFTERMARKET4X4 · 01-03-2005, 07:29 PM

Here's a few flexy pic's. This is all I have right now until the traction bar gets fixed:

Wish I had the one with the tire in the sunroof!

Sean DeVinney

OKIE ZUK · 01-03-2005, 08:17 PM

Well, bulletproof, after wheelin' with Zukzilla4X4 last weekend, how much flex is too much.

AFTERMARKET4X4 · 01-06-2005, 09:26 PM

Here you go. The real FLEXY pic:

Sean (Yes it's parked on a Sentra) DeVinney

JCC · 01-07-2005, 10:11 AM

Your right, that is Flexy. JC

zukatude · 01-07-2005, 10:17 AM

That's wild. How can the springs twist so much under that kind of extreme articulation? Is he using something other than bushings in the spring eyes?

I guess a trac bar is a must for this kind of setup, even if you used 6 leaf YJ springs?

NC Zuk · 01-07-2005, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zukatude

That's wild. How can the springs twist so much under that kind of extreme articulation? Is he using something other than bushings in the spring eyes?

I guess a trac bar is a must for this kind of setup, even if you used 6 leaf YJ springs?

Yea, the setup has a goofey leaf/drop bar in the rear. It allows the spring eye to travel about another foot or more in the rear. Your right, it flexes like mad but I bet off-camber is not fun at all!

Front missing links

Rear drop arm

zukatude · 01-07-2005, 01:31 PM

Yeah, I understand the drop bar concept (really just a super long missing link). What I wonder about is as one side droops way down, the leaf spring has to start twisting. If that rear axle is at 45 degrees, the spring is really twisting and torqued up. Wouldn't this create some nasty leverage on the drop bar mounts or bushings and tear something off?

As for off-camber sidehills, wouldn't a limit strap help fix it?

Shizuka · 01-07-2005, 06:33 PM

-jack mode-

Are those 34" LTB's?

AFTERMARKET4X4 · 01-08-2005, 05:20 AM

Nope, 34 X 9.50 TSL's....AKA "Pizza Cutters". They came out years ago before the LTB's. Kick-Ass crawling tire.......but they SUCK in the deep mud!
Even though you can't read it, His License Plate says "ROK ZUKI".

Sean DeVinney

12-21-2004, 06:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
AFTERMARKET4X4 Granite Guru Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9464 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 720	Zuk w/XJ's Front and Rear Here are pic's of a friends Zuk. He installed a set of Cherokee rear leaf springs in the front and in the rear. It also has Missing-Link in the front and looooong drop bars in the rear similar to what Tim Porter uses. This thing flexes link mad! Sean __________________ 84 Zuk....2.3 Liter Beater, 96 X-90 "looks like a crushed Red Bull can!" “President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” Clint Eastwood "This is the greatest wealth destruction I have seen by a president [obama]." Jim Cramer

12-21-2004, 07:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
zuknstien Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Member # 31331 Location: Redding, CA Posts: 1,793	wow does that whole thing drop out in the back? __________________ 2 zuk buggys :D hammer #1155

12-21-2004, 07:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
OKIE ZUK Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 14812 Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Posts: 2,756	I'd like to see it on a steep downhill, when he hits the brakes. __________________ '94 Samurai, EFI, 6.1 t-case, twin sticks, 5.29 locked and shaved Toys, RS9000X's, HS9500i, OBA, Coiled, 36" IROK's, 94" WB, etc, etc.

12-21-2004, 08:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
billjohn Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6668 Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 663	Drop bars have been proven to work well when done right (Tim Porter, Jeff Pollock, and maybe a few others). But if you want insurance - add a limiting strap from the diff to the frame. This allows for all the articulation you want without allowing both sides to drop at once. __________________ Bill Johnston www.izook.com

12-21-2004, 09:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tusker Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2752 Location: Fairfield, CA Posts: 2,043	Do you have a plain old side-shot to get an idea of wheel base and axle placement? __________________ 86 Samurai w/gun rack, 92" WB, VW 1.9 TD, Toyota 5-speed and dual cases with 4.7 gearset, Toyota axles with Longfields, 5.29's, ARB's f&r, YJ's, 35's, FJ-60 power steering, high steer, ............. <>< <>< <>< Hey, if this rig is for wheelin', what are all these animal parts doin' in here?

12-21-2004, 11:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
bulletproof Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Member # 15689 Location: garland, tx. Posts: 745	seems like it would flex plenty with just the xj leaves. how much flex is to much? i've been pondering that question for awhile, and it seems it isn't as much as i used to think. __________________ not bad for home grown it's a little more than that sonny

12-22-2004, 01:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
94SASMAZDER Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Member # 18975 Location: Walnut Creek Posts: 531	t lets see the pics of this thing flexin like mad __________________ some jet skis a boat powerstroke on 40's on 20's whats left of a 1986 sami with propane wire ties and black primer thats how i roll

12-22-2004, 03:18 PM	#11 (permalink)
glfredrick Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Member # 16024 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 934	I have a friend with what appears to be a flatfender Jeep (only thing Jeep is the grill) that is running a setup like that out back - it works better than you might think - but he has some wheel hop issues (not axle wrap - bounce). He is going to run a set of coilovers with it to see if he can control the hop better. I've seen him step up on some stuff with that setup that the rest of us just sit back and look at... __________________ Check out UCORA.org VOTE or SHUT UP!

12-22-2004, 05:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
jeeppartz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Member # 8351 Location: Reidsville NC Posts: 821	I saw this zuk with the front tire in the sunroof of a honda and the rear tires on the ground . It works . __________________ yes I look like Fred

01-03-2005, 07:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
AFTERMARKET4X4 Granite Guru Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9464 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 720	Here's a few flexy pic's. This is all I have right now until the traction bar gets fixed: Wish I had the one with the tire in the sunroof! Sean DeVinney __________________ 84 Zuk....2.3 Liter Beater, 96 X-90 "looks like a crushed Red Bull can!" “President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” Clint Eastwood "This is the greatest wealth destruction I have seen by a president [obama]." Jim Cramer

01-03-2005, 08:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
OKIE ZUK Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 14812 Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Posts: 2,756	Well, bulletproof, after wheelin' with Zukzilla4X4 last weekend, how much flex is too much. __________________ '94 Samurai, EFI, 6.1 t-case, twin sticks, 5.29 locked and shaved Toys, RS9000X's, HS9500i, OBA, Coiled, 36" IROK's, 94" WB, etc, etc.

01-06-2005, 09:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
AFTERMARKET4X4 Granite Guru Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9464 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 720	Here you go. The real FLEXY pic: Sean (Yes it's parked on a Sentra) DeVinney __________________ 84 Zuk....2.3 Liter Beater, 96 X-90 "looks like a crushed Red Bull can!" “President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” Clint Eastwood "This is the greatest wealth destruction I have seen by a president [obama]." Jim Cramer

01-07-2005, 10:11 AM	#16 (permalink)
JCC Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13845 Location: Hartselle Alabama Posts: 325	Your right, that is Flexy. JC __________________ 88 Zuk. Spring over with RE YJ's Toy axles 5.29's welded rear Aussie up front. LC power steering,105 amp alternator, Short 33's Ramsey 9K qm Soon to have TT 6.4's

01-07-2005, 10:17 AM	#17 (permalink)
zukatude Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 23056 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Posts: 107	That's wild. How can the springs twist so much under that kind of extreme articulation? Is he using something other than bushings in the spring eyes? I guess a trac bar is a must for this kind of setup, even if you used 6 leaf YJ springs? __________________ 87 Sami: 1.6 16V, SPOA SR w/ YJs, locked 5.29 toys, 6.5:1 tcase, 35" MTRs, FJ60/Saginaw PS, Warn 8k

01-07-2005, 01:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
zukatude Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 23056 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Posts: 107	Yeah, I understand the drop bar concept (really just a super long missing link). What I wonder about is as one side droops way down, the leaf spring has to start twisting. If that rear axle is at 45 degrees, the spring is really twisting and torqued up. Wouldn't this create some nasty leverage on the drop bar mounts or bushings and tear something off? As for off-camber sidehills, wouldn't a limit strap help fix it? __________________ 87 Sami: 1.6 16V, SPOA SR w/ YJs, locked 5.29 toys, 6.5:1 tcase, 35" MTRs, FJ60/Saginaw PS, Warn 8k

01-07-2005, 06:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
Shizuka Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Member # 16213 Location: l Posts: 35	-jack mode- Are those 34" LTB's?

01-08-2005, 05:20 AM	#21 (permalink)
AFTERMARKET4X4 Granite Guru Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9464 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 720	Nope, 34 X 9.50 TSL's....AKA "Pizza Cutters". They came out years ago before the LTB's. Kick-Ass crawling tire.......but they SUCK in the deep mud! Even though you can't read it, His License Plate says "ROK ZUKI". Sean DeVinney __________________ 84 Zuk....2.3 Liter Beater, 96 X-90 "looks like a crushed Red Bull can!" “President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” Clint Eastwood "This is the greatest wealth destruction I have seen by a president [obama]." Jim Cramer

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