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sj410x · 08-18-2001, 07:13 PM

anybody running any kind of lift springs, with spoa? what springs? any problems with the springs bagging out? was going to go with the trailmaster springs and get rid of the body lift

Tusker · 08-19-2001, 07:44 AM

I am not running lifted springs, but I am looking into it. In a lifted Samurai spring, I have heard the Old Man Emu is the way to go (2 to 3 inches of lift). I have heard that the Rancho springs for the Sami are too stiff (1.5 inches of lift). Poppycock has lifted EMU's I think. If he ever gets that thing out of his driveway we can find out how they really flex <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I am interested in a slighlty lifted YJ spring, like 1.5 inches or so. I have heard that the Rancho YJ spring is pretty flexy. I met a guy on the Rubicon that was running the Superlift YJ. He said they were way too stiff.

Anybody out there have some real experience or ideas??

M.Martian · 08-19-2001, 09:12 AM

Tusker,
Have you thought about adding another stock leaf to your stock YJ's? I'm waiting for my spring over kit to get here and then I'm going to run 5 leaf packs on all four corners.

I didn't really want that extra height (I only wanted another 2 inches max), but I hung up on the springs too much so I'm just going to do it. If I find that the springs are still too soft, I will be adding one of the leafs from my left over 4 packs.

I'm buying a set of 5pack/4pack springs from a guy today. After I pick them up I will have four 5 leaf packs and four 4 leaf packs at my disposal to mix and match for a good combo of flex and stiffness.

zuk88 · 08-19-2001, 04:58 PM

I'm going to do the same a Mark. But... I'm going to mix and match my Stock YJ's with 2.5" Pro Comp springs. I'm going to start tweaking my suspension this week and get that Trail Tough missing link YJ conversion ordered for the front soon.....I'll let you guys know how it turns out. <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">

hottrod · 08-20-2001, 12:24 AM

how well does a 2.5" lift spring off a 4,000 pound vehicle work on a <2,000 pound vehicle
stiff, duh

Tusker · 08-20-2001, 06:57 AM

Mark, I have six leafs up front right now. I added a full-length leaf from a four pack. Frankly, it could maybe even use one of the mid-length leafs as well in the front.

The rear is stiffer than the front (because of the outboard springs) so more leafs back there will hurt the flex. The rear has long shackles and 1/2" blocks and still sits 1/2" lower than the front empty. That is why I wanted to look at lifted springs. However, they would need to be as soft and flexy as the stocks.

Trail Tough has a YJ conversion now? Where have I been?! Gotta check that out.

zuk88 · 08-20-2001, 09:24 AM

hottrod,
I'm planning to use only 2 top springs from the 2.5" Pro Comp packs. I ordered the softest spring rate they made(yes...they sell different springs rates) They are only 10% stiffer then a stock spring. Just what I'm looking for! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Tusker,
I talked to Brent from Trail Tough and he told me they have a YJ conversion for the front that is NOT a shackle reverse. It uses a short missing link/J-shackle combo and is supposed to offer <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0"> flex!!!!! The best deal for me is that I don't have to sell that new $400 Trail Tough birfeild shaft I'm running on the front <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Tusker · 08-20-2001, 12:23 PM

zuk88. I'd like to see that Trail Tough kit when you get it done. Not having a shackle reversal really helps reduce the length of spline on the driveshaft and I bet it helps with the fender trimming requirements for clearance. Brent makes some really nice stough. You can probably fit 32's without the need for a sawzall (isn't that what you are running??). I had to carve the front of mine out to clear the 33's.

zuk88 · 08-20-2001, 12:47 PM

Tusker,
I'm running 31" BFG AT KOs and I saw how nice 32x11.50s looked on alot of rides at SOTR. I'm going to move up to the 32"s but this time I'm gettin' the new BFG MT KMs. That ought to work <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">. Brents kit won't be ready for release for another week or so I'll let you know when it gets here, It's also a complete bolt on!! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

08-18-2001, 07:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
sj410x Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5081 Location: B.C.canada Posts: 20	lift springs with spoa anybody running any kind of lift springs, with spoa? what springs? any problems with the springs bagging out? was going to go with the trailmaster springs and get rid of the body lift

08-19-2001, 07:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tusker Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2752 Location: Fairfield, CA Posts: 2,043	I am not running lifted springs, but I am looking into it. In a lifted Samurai spring, I have heard the Old Man Emu is the way to go (2 to 3 inches of lift). I have heard that the Rancho springs for the Sami are too stiff (1.5 inches of lift). Poppycock has lifted EMU's I think. If he ever gets that thing out of his driveway we can find out how they really flex <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> I am interested in a slighlty lifted YJ spring, like 1.5 inches or so. I have heard that the Rancho YJ spring is pretty flexy. I met a guy on the Rubicon that was running the Superlift YJ. He said they were way too stiff. Anybody out there have some real experience or ideas?? __________________ 86 Samurai w/gun rack, 92" WB, VW 1.9 TD, Toyota 5-speed and dual cases with 4.7 gearset, Toyota axles with Longfields, 5.29's, ARB's f&r, YJ's, 35's, FJ-60 power steering, high steer, ............. <>< <>< <>< Hey, if this rig is for wheelin', what are all these animal parts doin' in here?

08-19-2001, 09:12 AM	#3 (permalink)
M.Martian Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Member # 3945 Location: Livermore, CA Posts: 1,520	Tusker, Have you thought about adding another stock leaf to your stock YJ's? I'm waiting for my spring over kit to get here and then I'm going to run 5 leaf packs on all four corners. I didn't really want that extra height (I only wanted another 2 inches max), but I hung up on the springs too much so I'm just going to do it. If I find that the springs are still too soft, I will be adding one of the leafs from my left over 4 packs. I'm buying a set of 5pack/4pack springs from a guy today. After I pick them up I will have four 5 leaf packs and four 4 leaf packs at my disposal to mix and match for a good combo of flex and stiffness. __________________ Mark

08-19-2001, 04:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
zuk88 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3785 Location: Windsor, CA Posts: 838	I'm going to do the same a Mark. But... I'm going to mix and match my Stock YJ's with 2.5" Pro Comp springs. I'm going to start tweaking my suspension this week and get that Trail Tough missing link YJ conversion ordered for the front soon.....I'll let you guys know how it turns out. <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0"> __________________ [B]'88 ZUK[/B] Toy axles,4.30 r&p, spool rear, EZ front,4.16 t-case, 2" YJs, Sky Mfg hy-steer, 33" thorns, and fuzzy seat covers.

08-20-2001, 12:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
hottrod Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 6233 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 168	how well does a 2.5" lift spring off a 4,000 pound vehicle work on a <2,000 pound vehicle stiff, duh __________________ CARNAGE CHAMPS 2002, 2003, 2004

08-20-2001, 06:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tusker Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2752 Location: Fairfield, CA Posts: 2,043	Mark, I have six leafs up front right now. I added a full-length leaf from a four pack. Frankly, it could maybe even use one of the mid-length leafs as well in the front. The rear is stiffer than the front (because of the outboard springs) so more leafs back there will hurt the flex. The rear has long shackles and 1/2" blocks and still sits 1/2" lower than the front empty. That is why I wanted to look at lifted springs. However, they would need to be as soft and flexy as the stocks. Trail Tough has a YJ conversion now? Where have I been?! Gotta check that out. __________________ 86 Samurai w/gun rack, 92" WB, VW 1.9 TD, Toyota 5-speed and dual cases with 4.7 gearset, Toyota axles with Longfields, 5.29's, ARB's f&r, YJ's, 35's, FJ-60 power steering, high steer, ............. <>< <>< <>< Hey, if this rig is for wheelin', what are all these animal parts doin' in here?

08-20-2001, 09:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
zuk88 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3785 Location: Windsor, CA Posts: 838	hottrod, I'm planning to use only 2 top springs from the 2.5" Pro Comp packs. I ordered the softest spring rate they made(yes...they sell different springs rates) They are only 10% stiffer then a stock spring. Just what I'm looking for! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> Tusker, I talked to Brent from Trail Tough and he told me they have a YJ conversion for the front that is NOT a shackle reverse. It uses a short missing link/J-shackle combo and is supposed to offer <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0"> flex!!!!! The best deal for me is that I don't have to sell that new $400 Trail Tough birfeild shaft I'm running on the front <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> __________________ [B]'88 ZUK[/B] Toy axles,4.30 r&p, spool rear, EZ front,4.16 t-case, 2" YJs, Sky Mfg hy-steer, 33" thorns, and fuzzy seat covers.

08-20-2001, 12:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tusker Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Member # 2752 Location: Fairfield, CA Posts: 2,043	zuk88. I'd like to see that Trail Tough kit when you get it done. Not having a shackle reversal really helps reduce the length of spline on the driveshaft and I bet it helps with the fender trimming requirements for clearance. Brent makes some really nice stough. You can probably fit 32's without the need for a sawzall (isn't that what you are running??). I had to carve the front of mine out to clear the 33's. __________________ 86 Samurai w/gun rack, 92" WB, VW 1.9 TD, Toyota 5-speed and dual cases with 4.7 gearset, Toyota axles with Longfields, 5.29's, ARB's f&r, YJ's, 35's, FJ-60 power steering, high steer, ............. <>< <>< <>< Hey, if this rig is for wheelin', what are all these animal parts doin' in here?

08-20-2001, 12:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
zuk88 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Member # 3785 Location: Windsor, CA Posts: 838	Tusker, I'm running 31" BFG AT KOs and I saw how nice 32x11.50s looked on alot of rides at SOTR. I'm going to move up to the 32"s but this time I'm gettin' the new BFG MT KMs. That ought to work <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">. Brents kit won't be ready for release for another week or so I'll let you know when it gets here, It's also a complete bolt on!! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> __________________ [B]'88 ZUK[/B] Toy axles,4.30 r&p, spool rear, EZ front,4.16 t-case, 2" YJs, Sky Mfg hy-steer, 33" thorns, and fuzzy seat covers.

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