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Old 08-12-2001, 06:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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What is this thing that i have heard on a couple of lists now about a GRS3?? What is it, where is it and how do you get one??
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Old 08-12-2001, 07:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I had heard of it too a few months back. I don't remember where though. I do recall that it was VERY expensive. I would wonder just how much the Samurai t-case can handle gear wise before it explodes <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">
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I have heard it off and on too...i called petroworks and Matt said they didnt know anything about it?? Sammi case is pretty tough!! It is a lot better than a NP231 (chain drive)!!
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Pleaase dont think the tcase is strong! When you build the rest, it WILL break!!!
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Rudezuk, you should look at that Toyota tranny and dual t-case setup if you want to spend that kind of dough on gears. It should be ready soon, strong, and with a Marlin Crawler thrown in there, <IMG SRC="smilies/smokin.gif" border="0"> baby!
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Just curious, how low do you want to go? Really. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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Well, im running the GRS1 but im going to go to a 36 or 37" tire.....I like the crawling that i have with the 33's!
I just spent a bunch of money going to the Offset D44's and dont want to change those out, so the toy set up is out for me right now..
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Old 08-13-2001, 12:32 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I spoke with Gary at Petroworks several months back about this GRS III rumor, and all he would say is that it is much different than the GRS I or II. And that it did not use the Samurai t-case. I would tend to think it would be something along the lines of the Klune-V.

Petroworks is of course in business to make money and switches it's product development focus towards the most proffitable/popular items. Perhaps with the advent of the Klune-V and Toyota goodies, they are working on something else other than gearing.

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Anyone run a Klune? The Klune is my only real option to get deeper gearing. However the price of it is worth more than the whole Suzuki. It would also put me at supt'n like 300+:1 and that is kind over kill to me. I would like to get a little more but it's has to cost effective.
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i got my gearing down to 94 to 1. if i did a klune it would take me too 376 to 1. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> that's a little to low... i was thinking of maybe trading my grs2 for the old sj case and $$$ and then a klune? would keep the gearing from getting ridiculously out of hand and it would take a big bite off the price of the klune... but it would still probably cost around $2000. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> someone needs to get off their ass and make an economical way to get your gearing down and retain the high range.
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The guy that runs roadless gear (Figmo?) was trying to get deposits for GRSIII gears around six months ago, they were not a petroworks product, he was just using (ripping-off) the name. They are 5.67 gears and were around $1500.

Tim Hardy will also make gears in the 6:1 range for a little more. He has done it several times before.
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i wonder if the gears and the case can hold up? if it could it would be some nice gearing.
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I heard calmini was taking out a new gearing for the tranfer case. It would be around the 6:1 ratio. The price on them are going to be about the same price as the grs II from petroworks. I beleave they are some sami around with the calmini 6:1, testing the gears. That is all the info i have on the 6:1, any other info I come accross I will post. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">
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Samit-thanks spending so much time with us giving us the low-down on your suspension, I really appreciate it!
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What you might consider doing is the following...

move the whole engine/tranny combo as far forward as possible (you might find 2-3"), shorten the cardan between the tranny and the transfer and hang another divorced xcase in between (from a junkyard)... worst case you need a cv driveshaft in the rear...

i guess the cost should not be higher than 500 bucks...

we are doing the same thing on my cj6 (which admitedly is longer than my sam, but the TDengine/transmission combo is also way longer than the samurai combo (its exactly 1,5mts))

think about it...

you would have high, low and low-low... and putting the 2nd transfer in neutral you can run pto stuff off the front output of the stock transfer...

i hope i can post pics later this week from our cj6 project

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<STRONG>The guy that runs roadless gear (Figmo?) was trying to get deposits for GRSIII gears around six months ago, they were not a petroworks product, he was just using (ripping-off) the name.</STRONG>
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I will ask that you please not slander my good name or that of my company. I have never ripped anybody - or anything - off. And I have many many satisfied customers who can back me up on this.

The incident you are referring to was when I was first made aware of the lower gears from a quality mfg in Austrailia. I did not know the term "GRS" was trademarked by Petroworks and the instant somebody pointed that out to me - I ceased using that term. This is documented in the Topica list archive. See http://www.roadlessgear.com/thefarc/....php3?i=213169

How you choose to research (or NOT research) your information before posting to a public forum is your business - until you mention my name. Then it becomes my business. And I am VERY protective of my business.

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everybody just take a deep breath and relax. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> i don't think he was talking down your company, your product or your good name.
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Figmo-I didnt have to do any research, I saw YOUR multiple GRS III posts on topica about six months ago, thats a fact. At that time people told you GRS was a petroworks "trademark" and your attitude was whatever. If you've stopped using it, good for you. I am not slandering you, that would mean I making it up, to burn you, but the fact is that is the way it went down.

People in our club have bought stuff from your business, and I've got no beef with you so take it easy. Just passing on what I know.
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On 2/26/01 I posted the first message about possibly being able to get "GRSIII" gears. On 2/27/01, Wayne pointed out that name was trademarked by Petroworks and I immeadiately stopped using the term. This is not how I remember it - it's how it happened. It's all documented to this day in the archives for the world to see.

However, I can understand how you might be under the mistaken impression that there were multiple posts referring to the trademarked name. As people (including myself) reply to messages we often times leave the subject unchanged. And since the subject line read "GRSIII" - I guess "technically" you are right. There were multiple messsages from me with those letters used in that order.

But I can assure you - I never used that term in the body of a message again. No information posted to my web site about the gears referred to them by that name. And there was never, ever, not even for a moment, not from the start, ever any intent to "rip off" the phrase from Gary. It was a simple misunderstanding that lasted all of 24 hours.

I apologize to the board if I came off sounding harsh in my first post. Please attempt to put yourself in my shoes and try to imagine how you would react if you saw your name and the term "rip off" used in the same sentance.

scwafish, let's chalk this whole thing up to a "poor choice of words" - on both our parts - and move on.

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FWIW,

I can find no record of the term GRS being a legally registered trademark of anyone, not that anyone would actually use that moniker on a non-Petroworks product. It costs a LOT of money & time to patent a something or register a trademark, but it's easy to put a little "t.m." by anything.
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Figmo-Deal! Wasn't trying to dis ya', lets call it good.

Oilburner-Thats why I put trademark in quotes, because it isnt really a tm, just that most people associate GRS with petroworks.
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Heh Figmo,
What ever did happen to the low gear set from the boys down under..
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Ahhh, isn't that sweet you guys made up. <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">
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<STRONG>Heh Figmo,
What ever did happen to the low gear set from the boys down under..
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Last I heard (about 2 months ago) - they had a prototype set in a vehicle and they ran the hell outta it for a while, pulled the gears out and x-rayed them for signs of stress. They noticed some heat cracks in them and went back to the drawing board.

Bad news is - this will delay the release of the product. But the good news is - I think this speaks volumes for the quality of the mfg. Some others may have just said "to hell with it" and sold the gears anyway to start making money. Personally - I'd rather wait and know that what I'm buying has been tested, and then tested again to ensure that they wont grenade on me out in the middle of nowhere.

As soon as I hear more info on this product you can bet I'll be posting it. I just can't call them GR....ooops....I almost said it again <g>

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Alright, wich one of you ladies cried to Figaro? Show your self, tell me it was by chance that his first post was on this thread where he was being talked about. <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0">
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