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sikazxj · 06-13-2006, 08:33 PM

I already read this...../forum/suzuki/120802-faq-dana-axle-swap-info.html

it just turned out to be a build up thread, but after reading Chris's build up, it's inspired me to do the same, so I went out and got a sami...........actually it was given to me, anyways I've got a 14blt rear and a gm D60 axle that I was going to put in my other project that I don't wanna do anymore, are those axles' too big???
I was considering a D44 rear and a D30 front, b/c I have readily access to housing's parts, basically everything for them, what's it going to make those work? I notice the different offset diff's.......are the toyota axles really that strong???
I just feel more comfortable using Jeep axles

ZONA · 06-13-2006, 10:11 PM

I don't know much but I know you probably don't want to waste time or money on a front D30 swap. If you are going to do it, put something up front that's worth it. D44, Toys, GM.

sikazxj · 06-13-2006, 10:15 PM

I might end up doing some sort of trade with easyrick for some yota axles
how strong are they really, I wanna run 37's hard and not worry about too much

DeadSock · 06-14-2006, 01:56 AM

(from here http://www.pirate4x4.com/trailreports/sema05/)

Quote:

Some quick numbers are:
Toyota stock birfield - 3,700 ft. lbs. before failure
Longfield 30 spline 4340 Toyota super set - 9,000 ft. lbs. before failure
Stock Dana 44 inner - 5,000 ft. lbs. before failure
Stock Dana 60 inner - 8,300 ft. lbs. before failure
Yukon Dana 60 35 spline 4340 - 11,000 ft. lbs. before failure

so, a yota with longfields is quite strong!

purevil71 · 06-14-2006, 11:05 AM

Stock Toy axles = Dana 44
Beefed Toy axles = Dana 60
(It's on the internet so it can't be wrong

)

I second the skipping of the Dana 30. Even with the light weight of a sami those are still poo. A guy in our club had a 30 front and had nothing but problems with it.

sikazxj · 06-14-2006, 04:23 PM

thanks guys................I now see the light, I just traded a built 14blt I have for a rock jock 60" wide, and then I'll get a built front yota axle, my understanding is the front yota axle is under 60"'s will putting spacers on thier be decent to match the rear width?

zukidave · 06-14-2006, 07:08 PM

I used a 78 waggy 44 narrow track. Not as big as a full size but wider than a yota. Here apic when I was setting it up.

POWERSTROKEN · 06-14-2006, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zukidave

I used a 78 waggy 44 narrow track. Not as big as a full size but wider than a yota. Here apic when I was setting it up.

What is your outside width tire to tire? Thanks Jim

ZONA · 06-14-2006, 11:31 PM

I went with the wide waggy D44 set up front and rear, mostly because I wanted the extra width right from the get go without spacers or severley backspaced rims.

Spartan081681 · 06-15-2006, 12:29 AM

thats the "narrow" track waggy axles

Shadow Crawlers · 06-15-2006, 06:52 AM

Heres a couple pix of ours. Still have alot of detail oriented work left, and to finish the stinger etc.

L8rz

Chris

POWERSTROKEN · 06-15-2006, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZONA

I went with the wide waggy D44 set up front and rear, mostly because I wanted the extra width right from the get go without spacers or severley backspaced rims.

So whats the width?...LOL

ZONA · 06-15-2006, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Crawlers

Heres a couple pix of ours. Still have alot of detail oriented work left, and to finish the stinger etc.

L8rz

Chris

That's a cool looking trail man. Is that in Pueblo? What's the name?

POWERSTROKEN · 06-15-2006, 06:48 PM

I think I will be 72" wide outside of tire to out side of tire. I don't have the rest of my wheels yet. This is with a 41" tire I wish I was going to be wider.

frwinks · 06-15-2006, 08:16 PM

is there such thing as "too big"

run with the 14/60...it'll be sick...

here's mine with full width 44/9"... all 83" of it

like ShadowCrawlers, still needs few finishing touches, but most of the work is behind me now...

zukidave · 06-15-2006, 09:48 PM

BOM number say narrow track I thought they were wide track till broke a short side .

POWERSTROKEN · 06-16-2006, 12:02 AM

You have 11" of width on me. I wish I had that. Due to my beadlock wheel purchase I need to remain 6 lug so that either limits my choices or makes them expensive.

zukidave · 06-16-2006, 07:17 PM

Go waggy 44's or sell the 6 lug wheel's and get 8 lug one's

sikazxj · 06-16-2006, 07:35 PM

alright so I got my axles, I got my old currie rock jock back from the guy I sold it to, it's 60" wide, and some guy that say's he's famous with suzuki's brought me my front '85 yota axle, I haven't measured to see what the difference is, but I'm sure I'll have to get wheel spacers in the front, I did however place my order for longfields

Shadow Crawlers · 06-16-2006, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZONA

That's a cool looking trail man. Is that in Pueblo? What's the name?

It's actually in Penrose, and is called Independence Trail. It's pretty short but I have seen alot of breakage happen out there. It's short and sweet for being local

.

Oh yeah, the axles on our rig are 76 waggys, narrow width. Not sure what outside measurement is.

BTW picked up a toy IFS box today tapped with a ram for 150

I love hydro assist on my other zuk!

L8rz

Chris

sikazxj · 06-16-2006, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Crawlers

BTW picked up a toy IFS box today tapped with a ram for 150

is that what everyone is doing?
that's where I'm going next and I've seen some steering box swaps, but I wasn't sure what box everyone was using

POWERSTROKEN · 06-16-2006, 11:17 PM

Swapping out wheels isnt an option. I am stuck with these and if need be will build the entire rig around them. Popular PS swaps are Toy IFS or FJ boxes. I ran the IFS box and never even installed my hydro assist. I wheeled with the ARB locked all day and couldn't even tell the PS worked so well. 85 Toy axle is 55.5" in stock form.

sikazxj · 06-16-2006, 11:28 PM

thanks

Shadow Crawlers · 06-17-2006, 06:32 AM

On my green Samurai with toys we used a kick box tapped for hydro assist. I can steer with one hand all day long

.

My dads, the black zuk, we used a toy ifs box with a kick pump and it steers quite well for running a welded front and 2psi on the rocks. There are times that we have to rock it back and forth to make it steer. My plan since before the build was to use hydro assist, but it has worked up till now. I went to look at a toy motor for my dads girlfriend, and the guy had an ifs box tapped with a ram on the floor so I picked it up.

In my oppinion hydro assist is the way to go next to full hydro, and you can still legally drive it on the road.

L8rz

Chris Minerich

zukman86 · 06-17-2006, 05:39 PM

This is my zuk with waggy 44s

06-13-2006, 08:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
sikazxj Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 67193 Location: phoenix Posts: 193	yota vs. dana axle's I already read this...../forum/suzuki/120802-faq-dana-axle-swap-info.html it just turned out to be a build up thread, but after reading Chris's build up, it's inspired me to do the same, so I went out and got a sami...........actually it was given to me, anyways I've got a 14blt rear and a gm D60 axle that I was going to put in my other project that I don't wanna do anymore, are those axles' too big??? I was considering a D44 rear and a D30 front, b/c I have readily access to housing's parts, basically everything for them, what's it going to make those work? I notice the different offset diff's.......are the toyota axles really that strong??? I just feel more comfortable using Jeep axles Last edited by sikazxj; 06-13-2006 at 08:58 PM.

06-14-2006, 11:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
purevil71 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9275 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,902	Stock Toy axles = Dana 44 Beefed Toy axles = Dana 60 (It's on the internet so it can't be wrong ) I second the skipping of the Dana 30. Even with the light weight of a sami those are still poo. A guy in our club had a 30 front and had nothing but problems with it. __________________ "Just when I think you've gone and said the stupidest thing ever, you keep on talking!" ___________________________________ '88.5 Sami buggy on 37's '96 4-door Tracker on 35's ZookiMelt FB Page: [url]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003375889081[/url]

06-14-2006, 07:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
zukidave Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Member # 71711 Location: austin texas Posts: 228	I used a 78 waggy 44 narrow track. Not as big as a full size but wider than a yota. Here apic when I was setting it up. __________________ 88sammi Waggy 44,s 538,s 5to 1 tcase yj front spring,s toy p/up rear spring,s turned backward,s saginaw power steering 36" tsl,s full cage

06-14-2006, 11:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
ZONA Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Member # 61423 Location: Phoenix Posts: 461	I went with the wide waggy D44 set up front and rear, mostly because I wanted the extra width right from the get go without spacers or severley backspaced rims. Last edited by ZONA; 06-14-2006 at 11:32 PM.

06-15-2006, 12:29 AM	#10 (permalink)
Spartan081681 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Member # 72130 Location: Bluff City, TN Posts: 36	thats the "narrow" track waggy axles Last edited by Spartan081681; 06-15-2006 at 12:30 AM.

06-13-2006, 10:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
ZONA Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Member # 61423 Location: Phoenix Posts: 461	I don't know much but I know you probably don't want to waste time or money on a front D30 swap. If you are going to do it, put something up front that's worth it. D44, Toys, GM.

06-13-2006, 10:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
sikazxj Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 67193 Location: phoenix Posts: 193	I might end up doing some sort of trade with easyrick for some yota axles how strong are they really, I wanna run 37's hard and not worry about too much

06-14-2006, 04:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
sikazxj Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 67193 Location: phoenix Posts: 193	thanks guys................I now see the light, I just traded a built 14blt I have for a rock jock 60" wide, and then I'll get a built front yota axle, my understanding is the front yota axle is under 60"'s will putting spacers on thier be decent to match the rear width?

06-15-2006, 06:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
Shadow Crawlers Granite Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 38172 Location: Pueblo CO Posts: 571	Heres a couple pix of ours. Still have alot of detail oriented work left, and to finish the stinger etc. L8rz Chris

06-15-2006, 06:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
POWERSTROKEN Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Member # 40246 Location: Pennsyltucky Posts: 1,248	I think I will be 72" wide outside of tire to out side of tire. I don't have the rest of my wheels yet. This is with a 41" tire I wish I was going to be wider. __________________ [SIZE="3"]"Don't RAM it...STROKE it" [COLOR="DarkRed"] Family Krawler 98 4 door Tracker in the works CPI 4.3, 700R4, MC Dual Ultimate Toy's, Rockwell's, Fox air shocks[/COLOR] [COLOR="Navy"]2000 E350 4x4 7.3 Powerstroke D60/D70 35" IROK's on 20" Trail Ready's, Powershot 2000, Edge Evolution programer [/COLOR] [/SIZE]

06-15-2006, 08:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
frwinks Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 38751 Location: ontario Posts: 130	is there such thing as "too big" run with the 14/60...it'll be sick... here's mine with full width 44/9"... all 83" of it like ShadowCrawlers, still needs few finishing touches, but most of the work is behind me now... Last edited by frwinks; 06-15-2006 at 08:18 PM.

06-15-2006, 09:48 PM	#16 (permalink)
zukidave Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Member # 71711 Location: austin texas Posts: 228	BOM number say narrow track I thought they were wide track till broke a short side . __________________ 88sammi Waggy 44,s 538,s 5to 1 tcase yj front spring,s toy p/up rear spring,s turned backward,s saginaw power steering 36" tsl,s full cage

06-16-2006, 12:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
POWERSTROKEN Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Member # 40246 Location: Pennsyltucky Posts: 1,248	You have 11" of width on me. I wish I had that. Due to my beadlock wheel purchase I need to remain 6 lug so that either limits my choices or makes them expensive. __________________ [SIZE="3"]"Don't RAM it...STROKE it" [COLOR="DarkRed"] Family Krawler 98 4 door Tracker in the works CPI 4.3, 700R4, MC Dual Ultimate Toy's, Rockwell's, Fox air shocks[/COLOR] [COLOR="Navy"]2000 E350 4x4 7.3 Powerstroke D60/D70 35" IROK's on 20" Trail Ready's, Powershot 2000, Edge Evolution programer [/COLOR] [/SIZE]

06-16-2006, 07:17 PM	#18 (permalink)
zukidave Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Member # 71711 Location: austin texas Posts: 228	Go waggy 44's or sell the 6 lug wheel's and get 8 lug one's __________________ 88sammi Waggy 44,s 538,s 5to 1 tcase yj front spring,s toy p/up rear spring,s turned backward,s saginaw power steering 36" tsl,s full cage

06-16-2006, 07:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
sikazxj Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 67193 Location: phoenix Posts: 193	alright so I got my axles, I got my old currie rock jock back from the guy I sold it to, it's 60" wide, and some guy that say's he's famous with suzuki's brought me my front '85 yota axle, I haven't measured to see what the difference is, but I'm sure I'll have to get wheel spacers in the front, I did however place my order for longfields

06-16-2006, 11:17 PM	#22 (permalink)
POWERSTROKEN Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Member # 40246 Location: Pennsyltucky Posts: 1,248	Swapping out wheels isnt an option. I am stuck with these and if need be will build the entire rig around them. Popular PS swaps are Toy IFS or FJ boxes. I ran the IFS box and never even installed my hydro assist. I wheeled with the ARB locked all day and couldn't even tell the PS worked so well. 85 Toy axle is 55.5" in stock form. __________________ [SIZE="3"]"Don't RAM it...STROKE it" [COLOR="DarkRed"] Family Krawler 98 4 door Tracker in the works CPI 4.3, 700R4, MC Dual Ultimate Toy's, Rockwell's, Fox air shocks[/COLOR] [COLOR="Navy"]2000 E350 4x4 7.3 Powerstroke D60/D70 35" IROK's on 20" Trail Ready's, Powershot 2000, Edge Evolution programer [/COLOR] [/SIZE]

06-16-2006, 11:28 PM	#23 (permalink)
sikazxj Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 67193 Location: phoenix Posts: 193	thanks

06-17-2006, 06:32 AM	#24 (permalink)
Shadow Crawlers Granite Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 38172 Location: Pueblo CO Posts: 571	On my green Samurai with toys we used a kick box tapped for hydro assist. I can steer with one hand all day long . My dads, the black zuk, we used a toy ifs box with a kick pump and it steers quite well for running a welded front and 2psi on the rocks. There are times that we have to rock it back and forth to make it steer. My plan since before the build was to use hydro assist, but it has worked up till now. I went to look at a toy motor for my dads girlfriend, and the guy had an ifs box tapped with a ram on the floor so I picked it up. In my oppinion hydro assist is the way to go next to full hydro, and you can still legally drive it on the road. L8rz Chris Minerich

06-17-2006, 05:39 PM	#25 (permalink)
zukman86 Granite Guru Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 38653 Location: New York Posts: 525	hey This is my zuk with waggy 44s

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