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hooliganZUK · 11-07-2006, 08:24 PM

is anyone runnin the kit from got ( got propane ) on there sami ? is it worth the 695$ i need so power, thought propane might be the fix

hooliganZUK · 11-09-2006, 10:39 PM

is anyone runnin propane on there sami 1.3 motor at all ?

mrbogger · 11-10-2006, 01:36 PM

I got my kit from gotpropane I love it its the SH!T. GO FOR IT

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zuki_06 · 11-10-2006, 07:24 PM

not to jack the thread but has anyone made there own kit?

toykilla5150 · 11-10-2006, 07:29 PM

i will be buying the kit after my first shake down. I cant wait! It will also work great when i do my 8 valve 1.6 motor.

sublime8396 · 11-20-2006, 05:52 PM

ive been checking out that kit too it looks great i wanna try it.today i ran into a guy at the post office with a chevy luv running propane but his setup goes on top of the carb and he can switch from gas to propane with the flip of a switch i thought that was kinda cool. propane looks like the way to go with a sammy

simko · 07-04-2007, 06:30 AM

Sorry to kick up an old thread, but how would propane work in a daily driver samurai what about one with minor oil leaks?

moveaside · 07-04-2007, 05:24 PM

there's a bunch of info on it in this thread that Geiger did

/forum/suzuki/455905-trail-gear-zukitoy-buildup.html

I wanted to do the same thing and its the new fix for saving money on a painless wiring harness with a lot of guys lately. I got an EFI 16 valve cheap which was the only reason I didn't run propane on mine.

Valley Auto · 07-05-2007, 08:34 AM

Ill let you know probably by the begining of next week my kit from got propane.com should arrive. Cary is a great guy and I have all the confidence that it will work flawless

Lil_Toy_Zuk · 07-05-2007, 02:30 PM

has anyone looked into the natural gas/ propane...? would love to see this then you could just fill up at home instead of looking for the gas station that has propane

SPINY · 07-05-2007, 04:46 PM

I through together my own kit search my name it's on here somewhere

crashnzuk · 07-05-2007, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil_Toy_Zuk

has anyone looked into the natural gas/ propane...? would love to see this then you could just fill up at home instead of looking for the gas station that has propane

Natural gas is not liquid like propane, therefore it needs to be compressed to fit any meaningful amount in a vehicle. Natural gas vehicles are either 3000, or 3600 psi systems. All of the CNG (compressed natural gas) vehicles on the roads have electronic engine controls. They have nothing in common with propane. It would be cost prohibitive to convert a rig to run on CNG. Not to mention fuel availability is limited.
Travis..

hooliganZUK · 07-05-2007, 09:36 PM

i got the kit from got propane and this kit works very well on my 1.3 my rig is trail only but the throttle response is great no more hesitaion, no flat spot i no longer have the need to build a 1.6 to swap in i takes a little time to tune and get the timing right were you want it , and the only problem on the install was the new throttle body i had to get creative to make the throttle cable hook up but it works just had to fab up a mount. on the gas mileage its not the best in the world but i could very easly go all the way through the con on 1/2 a 10 gallon tank

Valley Auto · 07-06-2007, 08:55 AM

Thats good to hear hooligan, maybe I will build around one tank and stash another one in a buddies bigger rig

Lil_Toy_Zuk · 07-06-2007, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crashnzuk

Natural gas is not liquid like propane, therefore it needs to be compressed to fit any meaningful amount in a vehicle. Natural gas vehicles are either 3000, or 3600 psi systems. All of the CNG (compressed natural gas) vehicles on the roads have electronic engine controls. They have nothing in common with propane. It would be cost prohibitive to convert a rig to run on CNG. Not to mention fuel availability is limited.
Travis..

well the reason i brought it up was that i ran across a site that sells units that install at your own home and compress the NG therefore the availability would not be a factor but instead it would be the cost of the unit and install

crashnzuk · 07-06-2007, 10:30 AM

Yes, you could use a home fill, but they are really slow. You typically have to hook it up at night so it's full by morning. Even if you had one of these units, you would be looking at WAY more money than a sami is worth to convert it. Unless you got a grant to pay for it, the cost of fuel would NEVER pay back the conversion cost. Not to mention if you ever ran out of fuel, you'd be fucked. CNG is a headache you don't want.
Travis..

Lil_Toy_Zuk · 07-06-2007, 05:24 PM

If that were the case id agree but the conversions i have seen are a CNG/ Propane pretty versitile i think

crashnzuk · 07-06-2007, 05:54 PM

Post up a link to the CNG conversion stuff you're talking about. I'd like to see what it is.
Travis..

Lil_Toy_Zuk · 07-06-2007, 09:14 PM

I really dont know much about this other than what i read the reason i brought it up was that is alot like a propane conversion and i thought someone might be interested. but here are a couple of links i ran across
http://www.cleanfuelsohio.org/cngconversions.php
http://www.hendrixsystems.com/
http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/.../afvs/cng.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5960905/

crashnzuk · 07-06-2007, 10:01 PM

Just giving them the quick once-over, that hendrixsystems place is the only one that says they make cng conversion kits, and I didn't see any pics. The first site shows what vehicles are currently certified to be converted and offer conversion on those vehicles. CNG would be a bitch to do, not to mention cost prohibitive. The tanks are WAY expensive, and you need alot of them to carry enough fuel to get anywhere meaningful. They are not set up like propane either, the tank is permanently mounted in the vehicle and all of the lines are stainless tube. CNG is not the wave of the future. Do a little research on the cost of the conversions that these places sell. It's not for the backyard DIYer.
Travis..

Propane · 07-07-2007, 07:18 AM

I used to do cng conversions for teh govt. They were huge money wasters and performance really sucked. I'd do a city bus and go fill it up about 10 miles away. By the time I got back to the shop, it was already almost 1/4 down. Basically no range. Mega bucks to do and some seriously specialized equipment. The only real alternative fuel is propane. It's available, works excellent in stock motors, D.I.Y. friendly, and comparable to gas in mileage and power. Win win situation.
Oh, if you want to see a closeup install of this kit, 4wd and sport utility mag is running an install article on it this month(Aug issue)

Valley Auto · 07-07-2007, 09:55 AM

I cant wait for my kit Cary is it here is it here lol...Ryan

11-07-2006, 08:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
hooliganZUK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 68882 Location: sacramento Posts: 130	propane on sami is anyone runnin the kit from got ( got propane ) on there sami ? is it worth the 695$ i need so power, thought propane might be the fix

11-10-2006, 01:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
mrbogger Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 25568 Location: IND IN Posts: 176	I got my kit from gotpropane I love it its the SH!T. GO FOR IT 1 __________________ TUBED OUT SAMMY 4.3 TWIN TOY CASES TOY AXLES 529s 39.5 IROCs

11-10-2006, 07:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
zuki_06 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Member # 62642 Location: Near Fort Wayne IN Posts: 251	not to jack the thread but has anyone made there own kit? __________________ 88 Sammi - extended shackles - spray bombed interior and exterior

11-10-2006, 07:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
toykilla5150 SMASHurai Join Date: Jan 2006 Member # 65463 Location: Sacramento,CA Posts: 923	i will be buying the kit after my first shake down. I cant wait! It will also work great when i do my 8 valve 1.6 motor. __________________ you cant fix stupid people 87 zuk- modded/wheeler/DD 86 zuk- tub/registered propane 88 zuk- firewall/last rig 87 zuk- invisable w/title

07-04-2007, 05:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
moveaside Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11983 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 2,957	there's a bunch of info on it in this thread that Geiger did /forum/suzuki/455905-trail-gear-zukitoy-buildup.html I wanted to do the same thing and its the new fix for saving money on a painless wiring harness with a lot of guys lately. I got an EFI 16 valve cheap which was the only reason I didn't run propane on mine. __________________ My crappy build [url]http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=587635[/url]

11-09-2006, 10:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
hooliganZUK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 68882 Location: sacramento Posts: 130	is anyone runnin propane on there sami 1.3 motor at all ?

11-20-2006, 05:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
sublime8396 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Member # 82073 Location: silver springs nevada Posts: 44	ive been checking out that kit too it looks great i wanna try it.today i ran into a guy at the post office with a chevy luv running propane but his setup goes on top of the carb and he can switch from gas to propane with the flip of a switch i thought that was kinda cool. propane looks like the way to go with a sammy

07-04-2007, 06:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
simko Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Member # 74657 Posts: 120	Sorry to kick up an old thread, but how would propane work in a daily driver samurai what about one with minor oil leaks?

07-05-2007, 08:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
Valley Auto Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 78079 Location: Carmel Valley Ca Posts: 2,736	Ill let you know probably by the begining of next week my kit from got propane.com should arrive. Cary is a great guy and I have all the confidence that it will work flawless __________________ Master of the wire Wheel! Coastal Fabrication the " best damn shop in town" Poly Performance Pacific Fabrication http://www.pacificfab.net/

07-05-2007, 02:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lil_Toy_Zuk Keep up.... Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 94795 Location: PNW Posts: 130	has anyone looked into the natural gas/ propane...? would love to see this then you could just fill up at home instead of looking for the gas station that has propane __________________ 87 Zuk HT New built Motor(10:1 comp hawks billet stage 2 cam swift head) Toy Rear shaved 35" boggers (PNW special), TG 6.5 gears Are in, got subie MC (this list getting long)

07-05-2007, 04:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
SPINY Granite Guru Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20580 Location: Clinton,IN Posts: 805	I through together my own kit search my name it's on here somewhere __________________ www.branikmotorsports.com #518 Brandon Haynes

07-05-2007, 09:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
hooliganZUK Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Member # 68882 Location: sacramento Posts: 130	i got the kit from got propane and this kit works very well on my 1.3 my rig is trail only but the throttle response is great no more hesitaion, no flat spot i no longer have the need to build a 1.6 to swap in i takes a little time to tune and get the timing right were you want it , and the only problem on the install was the new throttle body i had to get creative to make the throttle cable hook up but it works just had to fab up a mount. on the gas mileage its not the best in the world but i could very easly go all the way through the con on 1/2 a 10 gallon tank

07-06-2007, 08:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
Valley Auto Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 78079 Location: Carmel Valley Ca Posts: 2,736	Thats good to hear hooligan, maybe I will build around one tank and stash another one in a buddies bigger rig __________________ Master of the wire Wheel! Coastal Fabrication the " best damn shop in town" Poly Performance Pacific Fabrication http://www.pacificfab.net/

07-06-2007, 10:30 AM	#16 (permalink)
crashnzuk Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17632 Location: West Sacramento, CA Posts: 5,422	Yes, you could use a home fill, but they are really slow. You typically have to hook it up at night so it's full by morning. Even if you had one of these units, you would be looking at WAY more money than a sami is worth to convert it. Unless you got a grant to pay for it, the cost of fuel would NEVER pay back the conversion cost. Not to mention if you ever ran out of fuel, you'd be fucked. CNG is a headache you don't want. Travis.. __________________ 74 Ramcharger, 360, 4spd, 60/70 on 37s 91.5 Dodge 6BT 5 spd tow rig

07-06-2007, 05:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
Lil_Toy_Zuk Keep up.... Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 94795 Location: PNW Posts: 130	If that were the case id agree but the conversions i have seen are a CNG/ Propane pretty versitile i think __________________ 87 Zuk HT New built Motor(10:1 comp hawks billet stage 2 cam swift head) Toy Rear shaved 35" boggers (PNW special), TG 6.5 gears Are in, got subie MC (this list getting long)

07-06-2007, 05:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
crashnzuk Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17632 Location: West Sacramento, CA Posts: 5,422	Post up a link to the CNG conversion stuff you're talking about. I'd like to see what it is. Travis.. __________________ 74 Ramcharger, 360, 4spd, 60/70 on 37s 91.5 Dodge 6BT 5 spd tow rig

07-06-2007, 09:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
Lil_Toy_Zuk Keep up.... Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 94795 Location: PNW Posts: 130	I really dont know much about this other than what i read the reason i brought it up was that is alot like a propane conversion and i thought someone might be interested. but here are a couple of links i ran across http://www.cleanfuelsohio.org/cngconversions.php http://www.hendrixsystems.com/ http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/.../afvs/cng.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5960905/ __________________ 87 Zuk HT New built Motor(10:1 comp hawks billet stage 2 cam swift head) Toy Rear shaved 35" boggers (PNW special), TG 6.5 gears Are in, got subie MC (this list getting long)

07-06-2007, 10:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
crashnzuk Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17632 Location: West Sacramento, CA Posts: 5,422	Just giving them the quick once-over, that hendrixsystems place is the only one that says they make cng conversion kits, and I didn't see any pics. The first site shows what vehicles are currently certified to be converted and offer conversion on those vehicles. CNG would be a bitch to do, not to mention cost prohibitive. The tanks are WAY expensive, and you need alot of them to carry enough fuel to get anywhere meaningful. They are not set up like propane either, the tank is permanently mounted in the vehicle and all of the lines are stainless tube. CNG is not the wave of the future. Do a little research on the cost of the conversions that these places sell. It's not for the backyard DIYer. Travis.. __________________ 74 Ramcharger, 360, 4spd, 60/70 on 37s 91.5 Dodge 6BT 5 spd tow rig

07-07-2007, 07:18 AM	#21 (permalink)
Propane Rock God Join Date: May 2004 Member # 30839 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 2,153	I used to do cng conversions for teh govt. They were huge money wasters and performance really sucked. I'd do a city bus and go fill it up about 10 miles away. By the time I got back to the shop, it was already almost 1/4 down. Basically no range. Mega bucks to do and some seriously specialized equipment. The only real alternative fuel is propane. It's available, works excellent in stock motors, D.I.Y. friendly, and comparable to gas in mileage and power. Win win situation. Oh, if you want to see a closeup install of this kit, 4wd and sport utility mag is running an install article on it this month(Aug issue) __________________ Bulletproof, complete propane kits for carbureted offroad and street vehicles. Please visit our website for details. www.gotpropane.com

07-07-2007, 09:55 AM	#22 (permalink)
Valley Auto Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Aug 2006 Member # 78079 Location: Carmel Valley Ca Posts: 2,736	I cant wait for my kit Cary is it here is it here lol...Ryan __________________ Master of the wire Wheel! Coastal Fabrication the " best damn shop in town" Poly Performance Pacific Fabrication http://www.pacificfab.net/

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