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View Poll Results: Is there a market for a twin stick and for how much?
Yes, I would pay about $120 43 18.78%
Yes, I would pay about $100 139 60.70%
No, forget it and move on. 11 4.80%
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Old 01-25-2007, 09:22 AM   #26 (permalink)
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make me a set i want them.LOL.No i would like to get them so hurry up and make them i want a shiter.But anyway cool just let me know.Mike
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Old 01-25-2007, 09:26 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Another option to get around any potential patent issues and to keep costs down would be to make it available as a kit. Meaning, we could make a "do it yourself kit" where we could provide the machined block and lower portion of the levers that extend just above the top of the case a couple of inches. ... We could probably sell it as a kit for $50 or less.
I'll buy three kits. -- ernie
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Old 01-25-2007, 09:29 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Put me down for a kit if you make them. I have cash, you would just have to ship to an APO address.
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Old 01-25-2007, 10:13 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I'm so down for a twinstick.
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Old 01-25-2007, 10:14 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I would buy 2 kits.
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Old 01-25-2007, 10:22 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I've seen others that are similar to this setup too, let's face it - there's only so many ways you can make a twin stick for a samurai. Sealing the boot is an issue we have too and we haven't found anything pre-made that will work well in this application. The best option is of course to have one made specifically for this setup. That might cost some dough, but we're checking into it. It shouldn't leak anymore than a stock setup in a rollover though.

I don't know how you machined your block for the shift towers but these are precision made with zero clearance. That means you remove the shift seat and jiggle this into place and hold it down with the retainer cup and spring assembly. Once installed, it's the tightest and most positive shifting setup I've ever seen.
I considered the machined block like you have, but its too labor intensive for a production thing unless your running a CNC mill. My equipment is not that good, I have to do it by hand, and I dont want to spend that much time in front of the mill and lathe.
The new design for the center block on mine can be made by almost anyone with a drill press, a vice and a welder. Mine's basicaly made from bent and welded flat stock. Cheap to produce, and easy to make.
I also have another one that uses flat stock and tubing for as a two piece setup.
Both are retained like the factory stick with the colar and spring.

I already have a 'Stock like' twin boot design, but the cost to produce it, as your finding out, is rather high.
I need to spend a little time in the shop to finish up the new boot, it should seal just as well as the factory, and look like a production unit.
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Old 01-25-2007, 10:54 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I already have a twin stick i made out of 2 stock shifters. It works good so far! I wouldnt mind having something like this tho. It seems like it holds the shifters better.

Count me in for a set when they are produced!
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Old 01-25-2007, 11:03 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Sounds to me that the demand is there. I would be all for the $50 kit version for the DIY guy. That way you don't have the labor intense part and I don't have the higher cost.
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Old 01-25-2007, 11:11 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Cool

ok put me down for a kit.Mike
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Old 01-25-2007, 11:51 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I would like the DIY kit as well. Probably 2! That way I could customize the levers to my taste.

Didn't I read somewhere that a Heep twinstick boot could work on Zuk cases with the twin stick? Dana 300 or something.
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Old 01-25-2007, 11:54 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I would be interested in at least one set.
I was going to make my own but time has not been there.
If it will bring it over the top put me down for two the LWB will feel left out if it does not get a set also
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I would like the DIY kit as well. Probably 2! That way I could customize the levers to my taste.

Didn't I read somewhere that a Heep twinstick boot could work on Zuk cases with the twin stick? Dana 300 or something.
Yeah, we have a jeep twinstick boot off a dana 300 and you can make it work, we could also make a pair of rubber gloves work for that matter. We were trying to come up with something that looked and fit a little nicer. But it may turn out that it's not worth making one for it and we will have to make something else work.
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Old 01-25-2007, 12:28 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Didn't I read somewhere that a Heep twinstick boot could work on Zuk cases with the twin stick? Dana 300 or something.
To seal up the samurai tcase, you can use a boot off the early CJ jeeps (willys). That is what I have on mine and it works good. The boot is made to mount flat on the floorpan of the CJ, but you can shape it around the shift tower of the samurai tcase and zip-tie it into place.
For the floor boot, you can use the twin-stick boot off of an early bronco (IIRC). I had triple-sticks with my K3, so the twin-stick floor boot wouldn't work for me.
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Old 01-25-2007, 12:32 PM   #39 (permalink)
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come on and make them u got like 8 people that want a set so make them and see how they sell and than let us tell ya how they work.Mikw
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Old 01-25-2007, 12:37 PM   #40 (permalink)
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You bet his patent by the parts are free and you get 125.00 for shipping and handling
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Old 01-25-2007, 12:41 PM   #41 (permalink)
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even for a 125 bucks i would still pay that.Mike
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Old 01-25-2007, 01:03 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Does anyone have the patent number for his design? I am not a patent laywer, but have dealt enough with patents over the years to have gotten a pretty good feel for them.
I have converted his patent into a pdf from the patent office's website. They only give you TIFF images and not everyone can open those.

Here's a link to the patent pdf. Please right click and save target as.

I wish someone would build one and sell it just to piss rollerskate off. I doubt he has the loot to protect it if he can't get the cash together to bring it to market.
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Old 01-25-2007, 03:01 PM   #43 (permalink)
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twin stick!

Okay Ive got a couple questions. In the sami I just bought it has a Petroworks GSRII transfer case would this be a direct bolt in of would I have to remove the ball? And is it possible to do a front dig with this setup? As soon as you guys get the details worked out of this let us know I would like to have one for my sami if nothing else it will simplify things. As for cool shifter handles CrawlTech makes some sweet pistol grip shifter knobs.
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Okay Ive got a couple questions. In the sami I just bought it has a Petroworks GSRII transfer case would this be a direct bolt in of would I have to remove the ball? And is it possible to do a front dig with this setup? As soon as you guys get the details worked out of this let us know I would like to have one for my sami if nothing else it will simplify things. As for cool shifter handles CrawlTech makes some sweet pistol grip shifter knobs.
This will only work if your GRSII has the 2lo option already on it as stated in the first post. If it has the detent ball removed it's a bolt in, actually a "drop in".

No front digs with this setup, this only gives you a 2wd lo. You need a rear driveline disconnect for front digs. Check out Trail Tough's website for info on that.
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Old 01-25-2007, 03:11 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I made one a year ago by grinding and bending two stock shifters.

The biggest benefit to this mod is smooth shifting. My old shifter locked way to often, now it's like a swiss watch.
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Thanks for the reply back. I only asked about it because I couldnt remember if it has two low or not. After a quick check with the Pops it does have two low. So when you get everything worked out Ill take one!
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Old 01-25-2007, 07:35 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I will take one DIY setup . Let me know when your ready and I will paypal you the money .
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I have already made my own but if it will help the cause gettin things going and mudboggin101 getting one I'd buy a DIY too. I LOVE my twin stick and prolly will never be without one again.
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Old 01-25-2007, 08:29 PM   #49 (permalink)
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thanks grumpy.Yea come on make them.mike
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Old 01-25-2007, 09:20 PM   #50 (permalink)
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