1.6 won't fit!?!?! - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

87 sammi · 11-23-2007, 09:19 AM

Hey all, im new to this forum and i am in need of some help. I just got my 1.6L 8v lowered into my 87 samurai and things just arent lining up. I am using the rocky road swap kit and have read and reread the directions. the engine is bolted up to the tranny but for some reason the MOTOR MOUNTS WONT MATCH UP!! i have no idea what to do.. also, there is not a chance in hell the hood is going to close. any suggestions??

thanks a lot for your help

benttoy · 11-23-2007, 10:11 AM

Not sure on the mounts but you have to raise the front body mounts an inch (spacer) or so I,am told

jr4x · 11-23-2007, 05:22 PM

Welcome to the forum new guy. I have a 1.6 16v in the wifes sammy and it fits with no body lift. It also has plenty of clearance under the hood. Could you have the motor mounts switched sides? They are different from right to left on my petroworks kit.

moveaside · 11-23-2007, 05:49 PM

Loosen the mounts and spin them around like an eccentric to aid yourself in the line up process.

87 sammi · 11-23-2007, 10:09 PM

well i have a 6" lift so i wouldnt think that clearance would be a problem. as for the motor mounts being flipped with the diff sides, i have checked and rechecked my directions and i have the proper offset castings in the right spots. im completely stumped.

Scott410 · 11-23-2007, 10:30 PM

Your 6" lift has nothing to do with the clearance for your hood, unless you have a 6" body lift that is, which I hope you don't. If you can't figure out how that motor goes in, post some pic's or you can send it to me and I will get it to fit in my rig.

914Driver · 11-24-2007, 11:37 AM

Hey, fellow newbie here with the same project. I have an '86 with a 1.6, stock 1.3 tranny with the same adaptor plate and motor mounts. I've had big block Chevies give me less trouble but it can be done.

Get the engine bolted up to the bell housing and you have enough wiggle room (1/4"?) to slide the mounts in and out between the motor and crossmember. Identify the mounts with a 1 & 2 , A & B, whatever works for you. It CAN be done, identifying them makes it less frustrating because you only do it five times and not fifteen.

Loosen the bolts holding the mounts to the block also, this helps wiggle in other directions.

Are you using the 1.3 or the 1.6 mounts?

Dan

notjeep · 11-24-2007, 11:59 AM

get the petro works kit. mine bolted up, no problem.

87 sammi · 11-24-2007, 03:23 PM

okay so the update is that i now have the motor mounted up and everything, but the hood still doesnt come close to shutting. i guess ill have to get creative and make a cowl induction style looking hood. what ya'll think?

BurnedBronco · 11-24-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 87 sammi

okay so the update is that i now have the motor mounted up and everything, but the hood still doesnt come close to shutting. i guess ill have to get creative and make a cowl induction style looking hood. what ya'll think?

mines got a big hole cut in the hood, and a piece bent up around it to raise it about the 1" it needed

Nowhere · 11-24-2007, 07:26 PM

Easies thing to do is to change the motor mounts to the dodge style.

The Dodge 319 motor mounts are super beef compared to the stock samurai ones and they are CHEAP (less than 10 each).
You'll need to drill the mouting holes out to 1/2" and shimmy the engine in there. A pry bar is needed to jiggle the mounts into position.

The dodge mounts lower the engine by about 1/2 or 3/4 of an inch. I've got a 16v with NO body mount mods, lots of hood room

Bass Man · 11-24-2007, 08:33 PM

What the hell?? I've done a lot of 1.3 to 1.6 swaps and have never ran into hood problems. But, that's probably because it is Trail tough stuff...

jr4x · 11-24-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bass Man

What the hell?? I've done a lot of 1.3 to 1.6 swaps and have never ran into hood problems. But, that's probably because it is Trail tough stuff...

Yeah? second the what the hell!!!!!!! My petroworks kit makes the engine clear the hood with at least an inch to spare. With no body lift or mod OF ANY TYPE. More reason for me to stay away from RR!

87 sammi · 11-24-2007, 09:55 PM

well screw RR cause they have givin me probs from the start. im just gunna have to get creative and make it look cool too. thanks for all the input guys!! ill keep ya posted on what is happening. tomorrow im gunna try and get the damn thing wired up. wish me luck!!

BurnedBronco · 11-25-2007, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bass Man

What the hell?? I've done a lot of 1.3 to 1.6 swaps and have never ran into hood problems. But, that's probably because it is Trail tough stuff...

mine is because i have the petro injection 8 valve intake tube running ontop of the motor is why mine doesnt clear, and mine isnt RR..............
of coruse my hood also looks like the fat bitch tapped danced onit till she died with the amount of backflips, endos and trees it has eaten. the one roll that flattened the front part of the hood down acually pushed the radiator fill tube 1/2" down into the tank.....

914Driver · 11-25-2007, 07:14 AM

Yeah, get creative; the kit says right in it that you need a 1" body lift. I'm opting for a cowl induction type hood scoop. Got MIG?

Dan

87 sammi · 11-25-2007, 07:45 AM

thanks alot guys for all the input. ill keep ya updated as to what is happening!! thanks again

hellbilly75 · 11-25-2007, 08:08 AM

I shamfullly admit that I have the RR 1.6 kit in my zook but I didn't have any issues installing mine! No body lift and theres at least an inch between the hood and carb!

BurnedBronco · 11-25-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by hellbilly75

I ut I didn't have any issues installing mine! No body lift and theres at least an inch between the hood and carb!

key word being carb.............

BIGJOEDUCKSLAYER · 11-26-2007, 01:50 PM

I have 16v in 87 street sami, and 8v in buggy and no body lift, about 1 in to spare on both

87 sammi · 11-26-2007, 04:32 PM

is your 1.6 efi or carb?

TatorZuk · 11-26-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 87 sammi

i have no idea what to do.. also, there is not a chance in hell the hood is going to close. any suggestions??

Cut the underside hood brace out...stand back...slam the hood.

It'll close...trust me...I know.

Hvy_Chevy · 11-26-2007, 05:27 PM

I used a 1.6 8v from a '93 and the 2wd tranny with it. 318 mounts and plenty of space under the hood.

jones · 11-26-2007, 09:51 PM

I cut the brace out of my hood too. The part that goes from the throttle body to the air filter is taller on the earlier 1.6 8valve engines, so that adds to the problem if you have that style.

skyman6529 · 11-27-2007, 01:00 AM

Do yourself a favor.
Splurge the $3.00 to $5.00 per dodge 318 motor mount. A total of maybe $10.00 and your hood will shut just right without mods. I think the mounts came from a 70's dodge BTW

I would rather buy new mounts than try and dick with fabbing a new hood any day. Not only does it drop the engine down 1" or more, keeps the center of gravity lower.

It doesn't lower the engine a lot but I've been in spots where the drive train being 1" lower would have kept me from having a friend push on my samurai to keep it from tipping over while I drove out of a tough spot

11-23-2007, 09:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
87 sammi Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 103366 Location: Western MA and Southern ME Posts: 48	1.6 won't fit!?!?! Hey all, im new to this forum and i am in need of some help. I just got my 1.6L 8v lowered into my 87 samurai and things just arent lining up. I am using the rocky road swap kit and have read and reread the directions. the engine is bolted up to the tranny but for some reason the MOTOR MOUNTS WONT MATCH UP!! i have no idea what to do.. also, there is not a chance in hell the hood is going to close. any suggestions?? thanks a lot for your help

11-23-2007, 10:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
benttoy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 76617 Location: in a crappy little apartment Posts: 1,425	Not sure on the mounts but you have to raise the front body mounts an inch (spacer) or so I,am told __________________ Wright racing F-TOY #22 Hi desert driveline losi rcp crawlers A Samauri is not an f-toy A samauri is not an f-toy A Samauri is not an f-toy A Samauri is not an f-toy

11-23-2007, 05:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
moveaside Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11983 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 2,958	Loosen the mounts and spin them around like an eccentric to aid yourself in the line up process. __________________ My crappy build [url]http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=587635[/url]

11-23-2007, 10:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
Scott410 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Member # 89908 Location: Moore, Oklahoma (Currently Deployed) Posts: 334	Your 6" lift has nothing to do with the clearance for your hood, unless you have a 6" body lift that is, which I hope you don't. If you can't figure out how that motor goes in, post some pic's or you can send it to me and I will get it to fit in my rig. __________________ http://www.zukikrawlers.com/showthread.php?t=14532

11-24-2007, 07:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
Nowhere Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Member # 15908 Location: Orlando Florida Posts: 424	Easies thing to do is to change the motor mounts to the dodge style. The Dodge 319 motor mounts are super beef compared to the stock samurai ones and they are CHEAP (less than 10 each). You'll need to drill the mouting holes out to 1/2" and shimmy the engine in there. A pry bar is needed to jiggle the mounts into position. The dodge mounts lower the engine by about 1/2 or 3/4 of an inch. I've got a 16v with NO body mount mods, lots of hood room __________________ Your flesh is a relic, a mere vessel. Hand over your flesh and a new world awaits you. We demand it.

11-23-2007, 05:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
jr4x Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 94747 Location: GJ colorado Posts: 1,483	Welcome to the forum new guy. I have a 1.6 16v in the wifes sammy and it fits with no body lift. It also has plenty of clearance under the hood. Could you have the motor mounts switched sides? They are different from right to left on my petroworks kit.

11-23-2007, 10:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
87 sammi Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 103366 Location: Western MA and Southern ME Posts: 48	well i have a 6" lift so i wouldnt think that clearance would be a problem. as for the motor mounts being flipped with the diff sides, i have checked and rechecked my directions and i have the proper offset castings in the right spots. im completely stumped.

11-24-2007, 11:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
914Driver Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 102051 Posts: 59	Hey, fellow newbie here with the same project. I have an '86 with a 1.6, stock 1.3 tranny with the same adaptor plate and motor mounts. I've had big block Chevies give me less trouble but it can be done. Get the engine bolted up to the bell housing and you have enough wiggle room (1/4"?) to slide the mounts in and out between the motor and crossmember. Identify the mounts with a 1 & 2 , A & B, whatever works for you. It *CAN* be done, identifying them makes it less frustrating because you only do it five times and not fifteen. Loosen the bolts holding the mounts to the block also, this helps wiggle in other directions. Are you using the 1.3 or the 1.6 mounts? Dan

11-24-2007, 11:59 AM	#8 (permalink)
notjeep Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Member # 74526 Location: Idyllwild, CA Posts: 43	get the petro works kit. mine bolted up, no problem.

11-24-2007, 03:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
87 sammi Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 103366 Location: Western MA and Southern ME Posts: 48	okay so the update is that i now have the motor mounted up and everything, but the hood still doesnt come close to shutting. i guess ill have to get creative and make a cowl induction style looking hood. what ya'll think?

11-24-2007, 08:33 PM	#12 (permalink)
Bass Man Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Member # 50557 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 897	What the hell?? I've done a lot of 1.3 to 1.6 swaps and have never ran into hood problems. But, that's probably because it is Trail tough stuff... __________________ Sounds like bay, not ass.

11-24-2007, 09:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
87 sammi Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 103366 Location: Western MA and Southern ME Posts: 48	well screw RR cause they have givin me probs from the start. im just gunna have to get creative and make it look cool too. thanks for all the input guys!! ill keep ya posted on what is happening. tomorrow im gunna try and get the damn thing wired up. wish me luck!!

11-25-2007, 07:14 AM	#16 (permalink)
914Driver Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Member # 102051 Posts: 59	Yeah, get creative; the kit says right in it that you need a 1" body lift. I'm opting for a cowl induction type hood scoop. Got MIG? Dan

11-25-2007, 07:45 AM	#17 (permalink)
87 sammi Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 103366 Location: Western MA and Southern ME Posts: 48	thanks alot guys for all the input. ill keep ya updated as to what is happening!! thanks again

11-25-2007, 08:08 AM	#18 (permalink)
hellbilly75 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 84613 Location: Arlington Wash Posts: 330	I shamfullly admit that I have the RR 1.6 kit in my zook but I didn't have any issues installing mine! No body lift and theres at least an inch between the hood and carb!

11-26-2007, 01:50 PM	#20 (permalink)
BIGJOEDUCKSLAYER Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 85796 Location: SACRAMENTO Posts: 626	I have 16v in 87 street sami, and 8v in buggy and no body lift, about 1 in to spare on both

11-26-2007, 04:32 PM	#21 (permalink)
87 sammi Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Member # 103366 Location: Western MA and Southern ME Posts: 48	is your 1.6 efi or carb?

11-26-2007, 05:27 PM	#23 (permalink)
Hvy_Chevy Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14094 Location: Maine Posts: 4,461	I used a 1.6 8v from a '93 and the 2wd tranny with it. 318 mounts and plenty of space under the hood. __________________ Size does matter. Leave the Zukes to those who really understand.

11-26-2007, 09:51 PM	#24 (permalink)
jones Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8687 Location: Vancouver Island B.C. Posts: 1,083	I cut the brace out of my hood too. The part that goes from the throttle body to the air filter is taller on the earlier 1.6 8valve engines, so that adds to the problem if you have that style. __________________ The word "jones" is a slang term meaning to crave, want, or desire; or, to feel withdrawal from an activity of passion. The general slang meaning is often associated with addictive substance habits but can be applied on a more universal scale.

11-27-2007, 01:00 AM	#25 (permalink)
skyman6529 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Member # 89104 Posts: 1,004	Do yourself a favor. Splurge the $3.00 to $5.00 per dodge 318 motor mount. A total of maybe $10.00 and your hood will shut just right without mods. I think the mounts came from a 70's dodge BTW I would rather buy new mounts than try and dick with fabbing a new hood any day. Not only does it drop the engine down 1" or more, keeps the center of gravity lower. It doesn't lower the engine a lot but I've been in spots where the drive train being 1" lower would have kept me from having a friend push on my samurai to keep it from tipping over while I drove out of a tough spot

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