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Yankee Tim · 01-05-2009, 09:59 AM

wow, they'll sell anybody a welder these days, huh?

wes8517 · 01-05-2009, 11:38 AM

sell your welder and just buy a ton of jbweld, itll probly stay together longer that way

shaggy10000 · 01-05-2009, 03:23 PM

Ive never been one to BASH on someone and im going to try to make it sound like im not now. What the others are saying about this build are major safety concerns. I would never run tube splices like that. Ever. Its just not safe. The trialngulation is not strong enough by itself. You side-hill that thing, its gonna break and your gonna roll. Will your cage hold????? Not worth risking your life on a maybe. That weld on your axle probably wont make it out the driveway. Even the best of welders couldnt make a good weld on a rusty surface like that.
Take it for what you want, Im not trying to just bust your balls. Im just trying to keep you out of a pine box with 6ft of dirt insulation.

JPinAZ · 01-05-2009, 04:34 PM

maybe the pine box is athe only thing that will help at this point

timmyc · 01-05-2009, 08:26 PM

will im going to make it all strong this week end. and i will clean up the rust be4 i weld it , on the cage i got to put in more bars and where the gaps are im to cut pipe in half and weld it in there the next pics i have it will be clean

stoneyxj · 01-05-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by timmyc

will im going to make it all strong this week end. and i will clean up the rust be4 i weld it , on the cage i got to put in more bars and where the gaps are im to cut pipe in half and weld it in there the next pics i have it will be clean

dude you get a big E for effort! but come on really. i mean sometimes my work is shady but really??

Total Distorsion · 01-05-2009, 10:13 PM

Damm son! You make Kents' buggy look gooooood!!

Seriously, read some books, and take some lessons on how to weld and fabricate. Start with something small like a bumper. That way no one will die while you learn the art.

Bass Man · 01-05-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by shaggy10000

Even the best of welders couldnt make a good weld on a rusty surface like that.

The best of welders would have de-rusted the whole axle, trussed the axle before welding the links on, and arc welded them in their final location.

Not the worst build I've seen on top of a Ford 9", but if you can get a weld like that on rust, then a cleaned up surface might look pretty good.

Bass Man · 01-05-2009, 10:51 PM

What are your plans for the front? Discuss with us before you modify your control arms.

timmyc · 01-06-2009, 04:48 AM

im puting up no more pics tell i get the rust off show u guys will stop talking about it lol but if the rust was not there how wood it look

but i do thank u 4 the commets u guys have left this is my first build like this im still learning

fordori · 01-06-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by timmyc

im puting up no more pics tell i get the rust off show u guys will stop talking about it lol but if the rust was not there how wood it look

but i do thank u 4 the commets u guys have left this is my first build like this im still learning

it would look rusty!

J/K it would look like a first time build that needs some good advice and help. dont give up on it!

Yankee Tim · 01-07-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by timmyc

im puting ...tell i get ... show u guys ...how wood it look

...commets ...im still learning

Now, Timmy.

Periods, commas and apostrophes are free to use, as is the spell check feature.

You're making the rest of us Timmy's look bad.

HumZukie · 01-07-2009, 09:25 AM

Shit what are you guys talking about....Some farmer John 6011 weldin' rod and a real high amperage ota get through that rust

Timmy what exactly are you using to weld with?

2slo4u · 01-07-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HumZukie

Shit what are you guys talking about....Some farmer John 6011 weldin' rod and a real high amperage ota get through that rust

Timmy what exactly are you using to weld with?

true, farmer rod can cut grease, but.....with mig, rust creates hella porosity in the weld that you can't see unless you x-ray or peel open the weld. Welding on top of bad weld, makes for a bigger worse weld.

Timmy, seriously consider cutting those welds out with a cut off wheel, takes 2 minutes. Then use a steel brush wheel on a 4" grinder to clean the weld areas before you weld. Also crank up the volts or down on wire speed to get a better looking weld.

also, all the Gen-Rite body armor for heeps is 3/16", so its not totally whacked to use if you wanted too. 16ga was a better choice & my zuk is skinnned in several areas with 1/8".

enjoying the build and remember to wear safety glasses when operating the power tools.

timmyc · 01-07-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 2slo4u

true, farmer rod can cut grease, but.....with mig, rust creates hella porosity in the weld that you can't see unless you x-ray or peel open the weld. Welding on top of bad weld, makes for a bigger worse weld.

Timmy, seriously consider cutting those welds out with a cut off wheel, takes 2 minutes. Then use a steel brush wheel on a 4" grinder to clean the weld areas before you weld. Also crank up the volts or down on wire speed to get a better looking weld.

also, all the Gen-Rite body armor for heeps is 3/16", so its not totally whacked to use if you wanted too. 16ga was a better choice & my zuk is skinnned in several areas with 1/8".

enjoying the build and remember to wear safety glasses when operating the power tools.

the sides and the tube in side are 16ga steel

UnderPSI · 01-07-2009, 04:07 PM

Wow, seems we have a bunch of certified welders.....

stoneyxj · 01-07-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderPSI

Wow, seems we have a bunch of certified welders.....

well i am a welding inspector if that counts!!!!!!!

lol

tinbeater · 01-07-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stoneyxj

well i am a welding inspector if that counts!!!!!!!

lol

People that cant weld inspect.

stoneyxj · 01-07-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tinbeater

People that cant weld inspect.

ssshhhhh thats supposed to be a secret! lol

slickrock209 · 01-07-2009, 08:19 PM

im aws certified arc welder 3g 4g

Bass Man · 01-07-2009, 11:51 PM

I used to help fabricate on excavation equipment and trailers that got them to the job. I run with a group of really picky guys, and a 30+year fabricator helps me with all the tough fabricating.

fordori · 01-08-2009, 08:03 AM

lol!!

2slo4u · 01-08-2009, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnderPSI

Wow, seems we have a bunch of certified welders.....

2 yr accredited college trade school for industrial fab. classes were 7hrs a day, split between theory and lab. worked industrial fab for a few years and had to pass my fair share of destructive metal tests. not currently certified nor nearly as skilled as years past, but my Power Mig 255C makes my welds stick pretty good.

HumZukie · 01-08-2009, 11:59 PM

Used to make 5 to 30,000 gal water tanks and did a few fuel tanks for a fishing boats.....Not one leak on any of them. Burning 6011 and 7018 the whole time.

moveaside · 01-09-2009, 05:55 AM

Self taught with friends, books, and time few years now. Been on fire, caught an ember in the ear, driveshaft fell and hit me in the gut and I still kept the bead going when welding through all three of those

So when's the whole thing going to be done TIMMY?

01-05-2009, 09:59 AM	#26 (permalink)
Yankee Tim Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Member # 24386 Location: Catskill Mts., NY Posts: 554	wow, they'll sell anybody a welder these days, huh? __________________ Yankee Tim www.rok-freekz.com Last edited by Yankee Tim; 01-05-2009 at 10:00 AM.

01-05-2009, 11:38 AM	#27 (permalink)
wes8517 Rock God Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14196 Location: pearland/webster, tx Posts: 1,368	sell your welder and just buy a ton of jbweld, itll probly stay together longer that way __________________ Nothing worth noting here

01-05-2009, 10:13 PM	#32 (permalink)
Total Distorsion Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5653 Location: Citrus Heights CA Posts: 1,479	Damm son! You make Kents' buggy look gooooood!! Seriously, read some books, and take some lessons on how to weld and fabricate. Start with something small like a bumper. That way no one will die while you learn the art. __________________ Miller Metalworks

01-05-2009, 10:51 PM	#34 (permalink)
Bass Man Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Member # 50557 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 897	What are your plans for the front? Discuss with us before you modify your control arms. __________________ Sounds like bay, not ass. Last edited by Bass Man; 01-05-2009 at 10:51 PM.

01-07-2009, 08:19 PM	#45 (permalink)
slickrock209 Haulin or Crawlin Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 96029 Location: Arnold,Crawlifornia Posts: 1,437	im aws certified arc welder 3g 4g __________________

01-05-2009, 03:23 PM	#28 (permalink)
shaggy10000 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 85140 Location: AZ Posts: 144	Ive never been one to BASH on someone and im going to try to make it sound like im not now. What the others are saying about this build are major safety concerns. I would never run tube splices like that. Ever. Its just not safe. The trialngulation is not strong enough by itself. You side-hill that thing, its gonna break and your gonna roll. Will your cage hold????? Not worth risking your life on a maybe. That weld on your axle probably wont make it out the driveway. Even the best of welders couldnt make a good weld on a rusty surface like that. Take it for what you want, Im not trying to just bust your balls. Im just trying to keep you out of a pine box with 6ft of dirt insulation.

01-05-2009, 04:34 PM	#29 (permalink)
JPinAZ Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 62945 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 41	maybe the pine box is athe only thing that will help at this point

01-05-2009, 08:26 PM	#30 (permalink)
timmyc Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Member # 124133 Posts: 197	will im going to make it all strong this week end. and i will clean up the rust be4 i weld it , on the cage i got to put in more bars and where the gaps are im to cut pipe in half and weld it in there the next pics i have it will be clean

01-06-2009, 04:48 AM	#35 (permalink)
timmyc Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Member # 124133 Posts: 197	im puting up no more pics tell i get the rust off show u guys will stop talking about it lol but if the rust was not there how wood it look but i do thank u 4 the commets u guys have left this is my first build like this im still learning

01-07-2009, 09:25 AM	#38 (permalink)
HumZukie Power? Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 96316 Location: Humboldt County Posts: 192	Shit what are you guys talking about....Some farmer John 6011 weldin' rod and a real high amperage ota get through that rust Timmy what exactly are you using to weld with?

01-07-2009, 04:07 PM	#41 (permalink)
UnderPSI Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Member # 124995 Posts: 48	Wow, seems we have a bunch of certified welders.....

01-07-2009, 11:51 PM	#46 (permalink)
Bass Man Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Member # 50557 Location: Medford, Oregon Posts: 897	I used to help fabricate on excavation equipment and trailers that got them to the job. I run with a group of really picky guys, and a 30+year fabricator helps me with all the tough fabricating. __________________ Sounds like bay, not ass.

01-08-2009, 08:03 AM	#47 (permalink)
fordori Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Member # 89600 Location: Sac(Sacramento) Posts: 710	lol!! __________________ [URL="http://www.myspace.com/jasondonnel"]http://www.myspace.com/jasondonnel[/URL]

01-08-2009, 11:59 PM	#49 (permalink)
HumZukie Power? Join Date: Jul 2007 Member # 96316 Location: Humboldt County Posts: 192	Used to make 5 to 30,000 gal water tanks and did a few fuel tanks for a fishing boats.....Not one leak on any of them. Burning 6011 and 7018 the whole time. Last edited by HumZukie; 01-09-2009 at 12:00 AM. Reason: realizedd i cnt spel

01-09-2009, 05:55 AM	#50 (permalink)
moveaside Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Member # 11983 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 2,958	Self taught with friends, books, and time few years now. Been on fire, caught an ember in the ear, driveshaft fell and hit me in the gut and I still kept the bead going when welding through all three of those So when's the whole thing going to be done TIMMY? __________________ My crappy build [url]http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=587635[/url]

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