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jeeperjer · 03-31-2010, 01:35 PM

We got our 2x2 last week and started our water table build this weekend. We should have it done soon. The basic idea is to be able to index the machine to be able to cut a 48x24" sheet. Table is made out of 3x4 tubing. we should have around 3-3.5 inches of water depth. Using 2" wide .25 inch flat bars as cross slats spaced 1.5" from each other. I have started a gallery on my website that will encompass the entire build. their are more photos in it if you are interested. Link to gallery of photos is here table build

here are a few photos

squaring up the top

burning it together

Milling out the slat spacers.

slat spacers all done, I did them in 2 sections each side so they would fit on the mill better.

The slats will rest on 1x1 square tube.

Clamping/positioning slat holders to main table

burning them on.

continued....

jeeperjer · 03-31-2010, 01:42 PM

test fitting slats

close up of slat holders

Here is the torch holder I made out of aluminum on the mill. I still need to get a handle of some sort so i dont have to use a Allen key to adjust the height.

front view

this is the replaceable torch holder, it holds our miller 625 torch perfect, and can be changed later if we need to.

If you want any more details/photos ask away.

Jeromy

Torchmate · 03-31-2010, 02:04 PM

Looks good! Have you had a chance to play with the machine. Just practicing moving it around. What do you think?

jeeperjer · 03-31-2010, 02:50 PM

We had it zipping around a bit Saturday. Pretty cool machine, we are really excited to get it cutting. Hopefully by the end of the week.

brooksy1 · 04-02-2010, 04:47 PM

Looking good. Thinking about getting one to Australia for my workshop

brooksy

jeeperjer · 04-02-2010, 11:01 PM

got a bit more done tonight. got the legs built. legs are 3x2 .120 wall tube with 1.5 inch cross beams. Tomorrows plan is to burn it all onto the bottom of the top.

Here are the quickie adjustable feet i made, just a 3/4 inch bolt taped into a 3/8 plate that was welded to the bottom of each leg

view of the legs mocked up on the bottom of the table. Each side was tig welded together. next is to square up the sides to each other and the table.

close up of one of the tig beads, my buddy's, not mine, mine were not photo worthy! weld mold rod was used.

jeeperjer · 04-02-2010, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brooksy1

Looking good. Thinking about getting one to Australia for my workshop

brooksy

thanks!

LASER · 04-03-2010, 04:22 AM

Why not cut the slats on the plasma table in the first place. I always programmed a couple slats into my jobs if there was a little scrap, so I always had some new ones coming off.

WRT indexing, I have ran lasers for years and even with 6'X10' tables we still needed to index ocasionally. What we did was weld drill bushings into one end of the table, and laser cut holes in the scrap area somewhere. Then you would simply slide the material down and pin to the bushings and continue to cut.

jeeperjer · 04-03-2010, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LASER

Why not cut the slats on the plasma table in the first place. I always programmed a couple slats into my jobs if there was a little scrap, so I always had some new ones coming off.

WRT indexing, I have ran lasers for years and even with 6'X10' tables we still needed to index ocasionally. What we did was weld drill bushings into one end of the table, and laser cut holes in the scrap area somewhere. Then you would simply slide the material down and pin to the bushings and continue to cut.

once we get the table up and running the slats holders would be no problem. We are pretty green so far to the cnc plasma. I figured I would do a way better job with the mill. They turned out perfect, even if it take me a bit longer, and no wasted material trying to figure out the machine.

Pretty good idea on the indexing, thanks for sharing!

Jeromy

jeeperjer · 04-03-2010, 10:51 PM

The frame work for the table is all welded up.

Rats nest of straps, trying to square everything up then tack it together.

A photo of me actually doing some welding. Tigging with a miller dynasty 200 dx.

all done, next is the water pan bottom.

jeeperjer · 04-04-2010, 08:43 PM

the table stands on its own! got the water pan siliconed and riveted on. letting the silicone setup overnight and will test for leaks tomorrow.

view of the table with the machine sitting on top of it.

720p video of the machine running through a dry run of the included line speed test g-code. (click on photo, hope this works

)

jeeperjer · 04-08-2010, 10:12 PM

Unit is finaly up and running!!!

Table all finished with unit sitting on it.

ready for action

our first ever cut! we just guessed on the settings. started at 40 ipm and 30 amps on the plasma, leftover piece of metal as a test. Cutting out a IHMSA silhouette shooting chicken. Still figuring out the computer, dimensions were all askew.
YouTube - MVI_0025.MOV

the result

We are total newbies at this and I was blown away with the fact that it actually worked. We got a huge learning curve ahead of us. I need to sit down with the manual for a bit and figure out the software.

One real weird thing was the machine cut the image out backwards, ie the chicken was facing to the right on the computer screen, but the machine cut it out facing the left. we did a line speed test after using the supplied g-code and it ran in reverse as well.

cnc4me · 04-09-2010, 05:03 AM

Great build you guys did a killer job! I cant wait to get my machine. What type, size plasma are you using? Was that 1/16 thick steel you test cut?

HardcorewannabeXJ · 04-09-2010, 07:52 AM

Make sure you read the setup guide for the machine, it will have you open a particular setup file with the correct gear ratio and screw thread assignments.

Dnmeistr · 04-09-2010, 08:03 AM

Also reverse the y axis under System, Motor Signals, and your cuts will cut in the right direction.

jeeperjer · 04-09-2010, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnc4me

Great build you guys did a killer job! I cant wait to get my machine. What type, size plasma are you using? Was that 1/16 thick steel you test cut?

18gauge, we are using the miller 625, 40 amp unit. the older model, not extreme version they have on their site now. We are miller fans here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HardcorewannabeXJ

Make sure you read the setup guide for the machine, it will have you open a particular setup file with the correct gear ratio and screw thread assignments.

I did that, thanks, what i ment bt the demensions all being askew is when i imported the dxf file we created in illustrator, upon import into cad light was enormous. 10x or more oversized.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dnmeistr

Also reverse the y axis under System, Motor Signals, and your cuts will cut in the right direction.

thanks.

EZDUZIT · 04-09-2010, 03:06 PM

Man that table looks great.

Would it be possible to get all the demension from you on that table?

Why did you riveted and siliconed the pan? Why not weld in all?
Now that you have it all up and running ,anything you would change?
Just wanted to know so when i do i know why.

Thanks
EZDUZIT

jeeperjer · 04-10-2010, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZDUZIT

Man that table looks great.

Would it be possible to get all the demension from you on that table?

Why did you riveted and siliconed the pan? Why not weld in all?
Now that you have it all up and running ,anything you would change?
Just wanted to know so when i do i know why.

Thanks
EZDUZIT

ill get all the demencions for you later this afternoon.

We used silicone it due to past experiences with warping. I dont think we would have had a problem with the size of the frame tubing but the silicone and rivets were fast easy and if we did ever have to replace the bottom pan it would be easy.

the first thing i would change is i rattle canned it. what a pain in the ass that was. We were going to por15 the inside but the can we had on the self was bad. I need to invest in a good spray gun setup.

also im not totally happy with the feet, but they will do their job.

EZDUZIT · 04-18-2010, 09:27 AM

Cool can't wait to get started on my table.

Thanks
EZDUZIT

jeeperjer · 04-19-2010, 12:06 PM

here are the overall dimensions for you EZDUZIT, its 32" tall, 64" long, and 36.25" wide.

Jeromy

jeeperjer · 04-19-2010, 12:43 PM

so table is in its final home now and last night we cut out our first official project on it. Its just a quick little project, some house numbers. Its pretty basic stuff, but it was a good non critical project to get started with.

this evening ill get some final photos of the table ect, but here is a video of the machine at work.

Video on my site: (click on photo)

youtube version
YouTube - 2x2 project

Torchmate · 04-20-2010, 08:26 AM

It looks like you have figured it out. Do you mind if I post up your video in a few other places?

jeeperjer · 04-20-2010, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torchmate

It looks like you have figured it out. Do you mind if I post up your video in a few other places?

no problem,

Jeromy

MQYJ · 04-20-2010, 03:53 PM

excellent video!

Man, you really have to watch the tip ups on those tables without AVHC. Seeing that video makes me sure I did the right thing by getting that as part of my system.

jeeperjer · 04-30-2010, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MQYJ

excellent video!

Man, you really have to watch the tip ups on those tables without AVHC. Seeing that video makes me sure I did the right thing by getting that as part of my system.

yeah, AVHC would be nice! That was super thin stuff and we had the plasma cranked, i dont think it would be as bad if we turned it down.

Jeromy

03-31-2010, 01:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
jeeperjer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14396 Location: slc Posts: 66	Our watertable build. We got our 2x2 last week and started our water table build this weekend. We should have it done soon. The basic idea is to be able to index the machine to be able to cut a 48x24" sheet. Table is made out of 3x4 tubing. we should have around 3-3.5 inches of water depth. Using 2" wide .25 inch flat bars as cross slats spaced 1.5" from each other. I have started a gallery on my website that will encompass the entire build. their are more photos in it if you are interested. Link to gallery of photos is here table build here are a few photos squaring up the top burning it together Milling out the slat spacers. slat spacers all done, I did them in 2 sections each side so they would fit on the mill better. The slats will rest on 1x1 square tube. Clamping/positioning slat holders to main table burning them on. continued.... __________________ Pendleton Racing and Fab. Last edited by jeeperjer; 04-02-2010 at 11:37 AM.

03-31-2010, 01:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
jeeperjer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14396 Location: slc Posts: 66	test fitting slats close up of slat holders Here is the torch holder I made out of aluminum on the mill. I still need to get a handle of some sort so i dont have to use a Allen key to adjust the height. front view this is the replaceable torch holder, it holds our miller 625 torch perfect, and can be changed later if we need to. If you want any more details/photos ask away. Jeromy __________________ Pendleton Racing and Fab.

03-31-2010, 02:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
Torchmate Rock God Join Date: Aug 2007 Member # 98865 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,258	Looks good! Have you had a chance to play with the machine. Just practicing moving it around. What do you think? __________________ WWW.TORCHMATE.COM We are hiring! Email your resume to our Human Resources Manager at cnichols@torchmate.com and ask about openings. Buy your consumables here! www.torchmatestore.com Torchmate Racing Homepage: www.torchmateracing.com Torchmate CNC Forum here: /forum/125-torchmate-cnc-forum/

03-31-2010, 02:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
jeeperjer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14396 Location: slc Posts: 66	We had it zipping around a bit Saturday. Pretty cool machine, we are really excited to get it cutting. Hopefully by the end of the week. __________________ Pendleton Racing and Fab.

04-02-2010, 04:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
brooksy1 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 63280 Location: Queensland,Australia. Posts: 531	Looking good. Thinking about getting one to Australia for my workshop brooksy __________________ C44F-Custom 4x4 Fabrications Australia project - "STRETCH" LS1 FJ40 105"wb

04-02-2010, 11:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
jeeperjer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14396 Location: slc Posts: 66	got a bit more done tonight. got the legs built. legs are 3x2 .120 wall tube with 1.5 inch cross beams. Tomorrows plan is to burn it all onto the bottom of the top. Here are the quickie adjustable feet i made, just a 3/4 inch bolt taped into a 3/8 plate that was welded to the bottom of each leg view of the legs mocked up on the bottom of the table. Each side was tig welded together. next is to square up the sides to each other and the table. close up of one of the tig beads, my buddy's, not mine, mine were not photo worthy! weld mold rod was used. __________________ Pendleton Racing and Fab.

04-03-2010, 04:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
LASER Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 66858 Location: Hudson, NH Posts: 367	Why not cut the slats on the plasma table in the first place. I always programmed a couple slats into my jobs if there was a little scrap, so I always had some new ones coming off. WRT indexing, I have ran lasers for years and even with 6'X10' tables we still needed to index ocasionally. What we did was weld drill bushings into one end of the table, and laser cut holes in the scrap area somewhere. Then you would simply slide the material down and pin to the bushings and continue to cut. __________________ Member Deep Woods Extreme 4X4 Club Of Southern NH.

04-03-2010, 10:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
jeeperjer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14396 Location: slc Posts: 66	The frame work for the table is all welded up. Rats nest of straps, trying to square everything up then tack it together. A photo of me actually doing some welding. Tigging with a miller dynasty 200 dx. all done, next is the water pan bottom. __________________ Pendleton Racing and Fab.

04-04-2010, 08:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
jeeperjer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14396 Location: slc Posts: 66	the table stands on its own! got the water pan siliconed and riveted on. letting the silicone setup overnight and will test for leaks tomorrow. view of the table with the machine sitting on top of it. 720p video of the machine running through a dry run of the included line speed test g-code. (click on photo, hope this works) __________________ Pendleton Racing and Fab.

04-08-2010, 10:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
jeeperjer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14396 Location: slc Posts: 66	Unit is finaly up and running!!! Table all finished with unit sitting on it. ready for action our first ever cut! we just guessed on the settings. started at 40 ipm and 30 amps on the plasma, leftover piece of metal as a test. Cutting out a IHMSA silhouette shooting chicken. Still figuring out the computer, dimensions were all askew. YouTube - MVI_0025.MOV the result We are total newbies at this and I was blown away with the fact that it actually worked. We got a huge learning curve ahead of us. I need to sit down with the manual for a bit and figure out the software. One real weird thing was the machine cut the image out backwards, ie the chicken was facing to the right on the computer screen, but the machine cut it out facing the left. we did a line speed test after using the supplied g-code and it ran in reverse as well. __________________ Pendleton Racing and Fab.

04-09-2010, 05:03 AM	#13 (permalink)
cnc4me Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Member # 156241 Posts: 41	Great build you guys did a killer job! I cant wait to get my machine. What type, size plasma are you using? Was that 1/16 thick steel you test cut?

04-09-2010, 07:52 AM	#14 (permalink)
HardcorewannabeXJ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 84593 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 3,004	Make sure you read the setup guide for the machine, it will have you open a particular setup file with the correct gear ratio and screw thread assignments.

04-09-2010, 08:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
Dnmeistr Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Member # 115338 Posts: 418	Also reverse the y axis under System, Motor Signals, and your cuts will cut in the right direction. Last edited by Dnmeistr; 04-09-2010 at 08:04 AM.

04-09-2010, 03:06 PM	#17 (permalink)
EZDUZIT Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Member # 43283 Location: Shalimar, Florida Posts: 62	Man that table looks great. Would it be possible to get all the demension from you on that table? Why did you riveted and siliconed the pan? Why not weld in all? Now that you have it all up and running ,anything you would change? Just wanted to know so when i do i know why. Thanks EZDUZIT Last edited by EZDUZIT; 04-09-2010 at 03:07 PM.

04-18-2010, 09:27 AM	#19 (permalink)
EZDUZIT Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Member # 43283 Location: Shalimar, Florida Posts: 62	Cool can't wait to get started on my table. Thanks EZDUZIT

04-19-2010, 12:06 PM	#20 (permalink)
jeeperjer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14396 Location: slc Posts: 66	here are the overall dimensions for you EZDUZIT, its 32" tall, 64" long, and 36.25" wide. Jeromy __________________ Pendleton Racing and Fab.

04-19-2010, 12:43 PM	#21 (permalink)
jeeperjer Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14396 Location: slc Posts: 66	so table is in its final home now and last night we cut out our first official project on it. Its just a quick little project, some house numbers. Its pretty basic stuff, but it was a good non critical project to get started with. this evening ill get some final photos of the table ect, but here is a video of the machine at work. Video on my site: (click on photo) youtube version YouTube - 2x2 project __________________ Pendleton Racing and Fab.

04-20-2010, 08:26 AM	#22 (permalink)
Torchmate Rock God Join Date: Aug 2007 Member # 98865 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 2,258	It looks like you have figured it out. Do you mind if I post up your video in a few other places? __________________ WWW.TORCHMATE.COM We are hiring! Email your resume to our Human Resources Manager at cnichols@torchmate.com and ask about openings. Buy your consumables here! www.torchmatestore.com Torchmate Racing Homepage: www.torchmateracing.com Torchmate CNC Forum here: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=125

04-20-2010, 03:53 PM	#24 (permalink)
MQYJ Rock God Join Date: Nov 2002 Member # 15076 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,679	excellent video! Man, you really have to watch the tip ups on those tables without AVHC. Seeing that video makes me sure I did the right thing by getting that as part of my system.

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