4700 CC MDT up at auction...

[MT4Runner]

Originally Posted by 87manche

makes me glad my bullshit is all mechanical, and has the simplest wiring on the planet aside from a lawnmower.

I hate my lawnmower with its safety seat bullshit.

[gavan]

Originally Posted by MT4Runner

I hate my lawnmower with its safety seat bullshit.

Yeah, but the gov't put it there so when you pass out from drinking too much while mowing (I assume thats why there are cup holders..?) the lawn mower won't run you over...

[gavan]

Originally Posted by some zilch

i agree. we have several 2011-2012 work star (or some silly shit like that) s/a dump trucks with *i think* 9 liter "maxx force" engines. none of them have over 5k miles on them yet. they have all been back to the dealer for fairly extensive repairs already--computer, wiring harnesses, connectors, one had the fan come off and take out the radiator, 2 head gaskets, an egr cooler, multiple large leaks, multiple instrument clusters, constant check engine lights, etc. it almost makes me mad that they keep buying them; given the track record of our fleet over the last 10 years, since IH moved away from the 466/466e engines. other municipalities and other divisions of ours seem to be moving away from the IHs, sighting reliability issues. we just ordered 3 more, including something with a V8 IH diesel. my boss thinks they are "pretty".

edit: ever notice how IH has all these silly sames for everything they make? maxx force, work star, work force. it infuriates me.

International made their name on cheap, tough trucks, but them seem to have jumped the shark recently.

But I think all new trucks suck ass.

We started to have hydroboost problems on our F650s at sub 1k miles,

We had AC problems on our Frieghtliner M2's at sub 5k miles,

Our Dodge 3500s clog up and blow out a DPF fliter every 50kish miles to the tune of 3k to replace

Our Chevy 3500HD has so many wiring problems it is ridiculous, the R headlight has been fixed about 5x by the dealer and it still burns out the harness every so often

One of our Chevy Express 4500 diesels burned down due to an electrical problem

One of our Frieghtliners almost had a diesel tank fall off due to an improperly tightened gas tank strap

No recent Internationals, but we have a couple 2005's that have been "decent", but started off with problems.

Our Kenworth and Sterling have been OK

Houston Streets department went to Peterbilts to "save money" on repairs to their shitty Chevy 7500s.


We still keep an old 2003 7.3 F350 in reserve because it has had the least amount of problems over its life.



I really don't know how car/truck companies get away with selling this crap. And it gets more expensive, with more problems, every year.

[87manche]

Originally Posted by MT4Runner

I hate my lawnmower with its safety seat bullshit.

Yours still has that?

Jumper wire is your friend. First thing I do is disable all that bullshit.

How else am I going to use my pushmower to trim the hedges?

[some zilch]

Originally Posted by gavan

I really don't know how car/truck companies get away with selling this crap. And it gets more expensive, with more problems, every year.

unfortunatley, our IH dealer knows that as long as my boss is the one deciding what trucks the department is buying, she is going to buy IHs. they could not start 50% of the time, and we would buy more of them. they could stall on the roadways and have to be towed to the dealership on a daily basis, and we would order more. when our trucks go into the dealer for repair, they are put on the "back burner", as they know we are not going to anything about it. 4-8 week wait times for fairly routine repairs is very commonplace for us.

we have one truck; has about 20kmi on it. it burns a gallon of coolant every thousand miles. it has had 4 head gaskets done, multiple egr coolers, and various other major repairs for a 6 year old truck w/20kmi. if that truck was mine, they would fix it right the first time, or they would never see me again. not w/my boss. your tax dollars at work

[lurchseesu]

Originally Posted by some zilch

we have one truck; has about 20kmi on it. it burns a gallon of coolant every thousand miles. it has had 4 head gaskets done, multiple egr coolers, and various other major repairs for a 6 year old truck w/20kmi.

I think a lot of the new emisssions-bombarded trucks do that. That was more or less the only gripe of the 09 ISX 15 KW W900 I used to drive. It drunk coolant and DEF fluid faster than fuel. Climbing up on that sucker and filling it up every morning was oh soo fun.

[redheep]

Originally Posted by 87manche

Yours still has that?

Jumper wire is your friend. First thing I do is disable all that bullshit.

How else am I going to use my pushmower to trim the hedges?

Mine didn't need a jumper wire. When you got off the seat, the little tab grounded out.

A pair of pliers bent the tab out of the way and now it runs all the time like it's supposed to.

[me2]

Current bid is $14,900.

[MT4Runner]

yeah, uggh.. Waaay too much $$$!!

[me2]

Apparently other people don't think so.
36 bids, $15,700

I thought you guys told me that CC 4700s were cheap and plentiful ? Like sub $5K ?

[MT4Runner]

And to think that was a 7.3L.

Apparently other people are swayed by pretty body panels and cheap carpet in the utility boxes! I guess that means I could sell mine for more than I've got into it one day!! Off to Home Depot to buy cheap carpet.

There have been several CC 4700s in the Interesting Trucks for Sale thread that are more utilitarian going for $5k-8k.

[GONRACIN]

^ ^ ^ ^ This....

Stupid people buy "pretty" trucks.....

Smart people buy trucks spec'ed to *DO SHIT*.....

[gavan]

Originally Posted by me2

Apparently other people don't think so.
36 bids, $15,700

I thought you guys told me that CC 4700s were cheap and plentiful ? Like sub $5K ?

You are such an ignorant troll.

Originally Posted by me2

Here is a done up, late model, hauler bed truck that happens to be a crew cab. Oh my! It sold for a lot of money! ALL crew cab trucks are obviously expensive. I rest my case."

It can still haul nearly twice the weight, safely and legally (maybe not quickly) than a SRW F350, stop it twice as well, have nearly twice the interior room, and still costs less than half as much, before you start fucking around with a engine swap, air ride, and whatever other BS you have decided your truck "needs".

[me2]

Originally Posted by gavan

You are such an ignorant troll.

It can still haul nearly twice the weight, safely and legally (maybe not quickly) than a SRW F350, stop it twice as well, have nearly twice the interior room, and still costs less than half as much, before you start fucking around with a engine swap, air ride, and whatever other BS you have decided your truck "needs".

A little testy are we ?

[me2]

Bidding is at $23K now.

The owner wants $16,500 for this too.
http://chico.craigslist.org/cto/2927431631.html

$23K sounds like a lot, but that truck is clean. And a new M3 CC is $100K.

The 4700 would be a heck of a little truck with a 450 HP RV spec ISL and a double over 13 speed swapped in. And a few interior upgrades.

[lurchseesu]

Pretty sure we made fun of that ford in the other thread because the seller called what is most likely a 5.9 "the big cummins".

[me2]

Originally Posted by lurchseesu

Pretty sure we made fun of that ford in the other thread because the seller called what is most likely a 5.9 "the big cummins".

You did. As bad as that is, I'd take that engine over the 4700's 7.3 "Power"stroke.

I hate under powered trucks. It sucks towing with them.

Current bid is $24,100.

[RoosterBooster]

Originally Posted by me2

You did. As bad as that is, I'd take that engine over the 4700's 7.3 "Power"stroke.

I hate under powered trucks. It sucks towing with them.

Current bid is $24,100.

a DT 444 is not a powerstroke

power is overrated ... i hate towing with weak axles, brakes, frames , ....


current price is crazy ...
i guess goneracin is right; stoopid peeps buy pretty trucks

[gavan]

Originally Posted by RoosterBooster

power is overrated ... i hate towing with weak axles, brakes, frames , ....

No kidding. Drop a brick on the accelerator and enjoy the ride.

[87manche]

Originally Posted by gavan

No kidding. Drop a brick on the accelerator and enjoy the ride.

that's my cruise control.

[me2]

Originally Posted by gavan

No kidding. Drop a brick on the accelerator and enjoy the ride.

Except that when it came time for you to pull a heavy trailer 1500 miles, you used an Excursion and even said it worked excellently. I bet you weren't drivng 50-55 MPH the whole time either.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showp...9&postcount=11

So then it was time to move to Texas, the land of opportunity and dirt cheap diesel trucks. I loaded all the heavy shit the moving company wanted to charge an arm and a leg for in the back of the CJ-10, packed up the trailer and headed westward.

The CJ-10 was a HEAVY bitch with all my tools, jacks, jackstands, and a set of FJ-62 axles for another project on another day. I had lots of problems securing it to the trailer properly, the only thing it wanted to do was rock back and forth. Not only that, it had no shocks, and I did not want 7,000 lbs of CJ pickup rocking back and fourth, so I chained down the frame. It was the most straps I have ever had on a vehicle, but it stayed put for 1500 miles and arrived safely, not much more I could ask for.

The Excursion did excellent as well, nothing like towing with a SUV

How heavy was the loaded trailer you were pulling ?

You were hauling 2 rigs, plus a bunch of other stuff. The CJ pickup weighed 7K. The other jeep had to weigh 4K. And the trailer was another 3K. That's 14K plus whatever you loaded in the Ex. And you, yourself said it worked excellent.

I guess there is a case for something other than an MDT working "excellent" as a tow vehicle. Even with the weak axles, frame and brakes that circa 2000 3/4-1ton SUVs came with.

[RoosterBooster]

Originally Posted by me2

Except that when it came time for you to pull a heavy trailer 1500 miles, you used an Excursion and even said it worked excellently. I bet you weren't drivng 50-55 MPH the whole time either.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showp...9&postcount=11



How heavy was the loaded trailer you were pulling ?

You were hauling 2 rigs, plus a bunch of other stuff. The CJ pickup weighed 7K. The other jeep had to weigh 4K. And the trailer was another 3K. That's 14K plus whatever you loaded in the Ex. And you, yourself said it worked excellent.

I guess there is a case for something other than an MDT working "excellent" as a tow vehicle. Even with the weak axles, frame and brakes that circa 2000 3/4-1ton SUVs came with.

now we see the reason why you started this thread ;
just another chance to preach your MDT hatred

why is it that your so obsessed with hating MDT`s ?... is it lugnut envy ? ....do you need to compensate for something ?

or probably your just a attention whoring douchebag of a troll

[me2]

I didn't start this thread to bash anything. But if people are going to bash things I believe in, I'm going to stand up for them.

Even at $25K I think that 4700 has potential. Its an engine and transmission swap away from being a pretty decent tow vehicle.

I'm beginning to see how these things are priced.

There is a newer 4300 for sale right now, for $15,000 less.
http://www.auctiontime.com/onlineauc...catid=27&&rc=1

Seems like a deal, but its not a CC, it doesn't have a tow bed, you'd have to shorten the frame, it probably has a 6 liter in it and it has 360K on it. By the time you deal with all that, the 1997 4700 looks pretty sweet.

[me2]

or probably your just a attention whoring douchebag of a troll

Back in grade 2 again are we ? Adults argue the facts and skip the name calling.

[me2]

Originally Posted by RoosterBooster

why is it that your so obsessed with hating MDT`s ?

You might want to check out where I said

The 4700 would be a heck of a little truck with a 450 HP RV spec ISL and a double over 13 speed swapped in. And a few interior upgrades.