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Old 04-26-2012, 09:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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4700 CC MDT up at auction...

Here you go.

http://www.auctiontime.com/OnlineAuc...id=27&lot=3150

If you buy it because of this link you owe me big as in beer.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Why not replace your tree-fitty with it?


edit: neat bed it's got...
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Not really the best specced truck in the world. Lo Pro, 7.3, auto. Ughh.

Which got me thinking (Warning. Will go a bit off-topic here). I sort of get one of your big gripes with MDT's. It's damn near impossible to find one that's specced perfectly unless you special ordered it new and spent metric fucktons of money on it. The site seems to have a lot of people doing the International MDT thing so I'll focus on them as I've followed and learned shit tons about them here.

The low pro trucks are the most common to have rear air ride, but drivetrain-wise, they usually suck donkey dick. Almost always 7.3's (or 6.9's if they're really fawking old). Almost always either 5 speed directs with only a single speed rear, the shitty old direct, no lockup AT54X 4 speed allisons. At least the one in the link is a 5 speed allison (possibly OD?). Odd 8 lug pattern, 19.5's, and tiny tires. And with no OD and tiny tires, they're usually geared pretty badly geared for highway speeds.

Than when you get bigger, more issues come up. But at least you get more options. You get big 40+" rubber 20, 22.5, and 24.5's but lots of times it's shitty spoke dayton wheels. Kind of a crap shoot if you can find it with regular, self-centering big 10 pattern so you can run all those bling bling Alcoas and Accurides.

You've still got some 7.3's in the bigger trucks but not much thankfully. Usually at least 360 and 466's most of the time. Or 530's in some 4900's but they're almost always over the 26k gross thing and air braked which a lot of people don't want to deal with the hassle of (I personally don't like air brakes unless I have some kind of Jake/retarder/exhaust brake as I don't like to use brakes going downhill).

Trans are usually DD 5, 6, or 7 speeds. Sometimes you at least get a decently geared 2 speed rear but don't count on it. High range in 2 speeds are still pretty low lots of times. Might get lucky and fine one with a 4.10 high. Might get lucky and find an OD 6 speed. I guess it's possible to get the ESO OD 7 speeds like MT4Runner has but they seem pretty rare as well. I've seen 10's in some 4700's but I believe they're direct and you still see them more in 26k+ shit. I've seen 13's in 4900's behind some 530's but always above 26k and air braked. Still see a ton of 5 and 6 speed allison autos.

See more factory air ride seats in the bigger trucks but not as much rear air ride. I love the crew cabs, but again, most seem to be autos.

Lil Rich's truck is the closest I've seen to a nearly perfect IH (Crew cab, 466, 10 speed, 10 lug 22.5's, air seats, air brakes), but still had no rear air ride. And of course, it's a box truck that's as long as a house.

I wonder if a truly perfect factory International actually exists? And if not, how cheaply you could actually make one perfect. Basically, I want the truck in the link but with an actual engine, transmission, axles, and wheels/tires.

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So much want.

Rooster has the part numbers for the wide 8 lug pattern 22.5's in his vintage truck thread, somewhere in those 20+ pages.

You can easily swap a 7 speed like 4runner did and get OD. If that thing has 4.10's or 4.33's like the low pro uhaul trucks it will do 70 in stock form.

I agree that the motors in the low profile trucks suck, but it's not like a pickup truck, MDT's are like legos. You grab a DT466 or whatever you want and drop it in place.

I'd rather do a motor swap in an MDT than do everything else in a pickup.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:16 PM   #5 (permalink)
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That is the first MDT that has made me think that I would get rid of my F350 for an MDT. It actually has an interior that looks comfy...

wonder what it will go for?

mac 'doesn't match my white trailer tho lol' gyvr
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
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You can easily swap a 7 speed like 4runner did and get OD. If that thing has 4.10's or 4.33's like the low pro uhaul trucks it will do 70 in stock form.
3.54's or 3.73's would be a possibility in those right? Doesn't Angryblack's 4700 LP have a 3.54 rear end?
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So use that cab/chassis and grab an early 90's bus for the drivetrain donor--engine, od trans, 10-lug axles and wheels.
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3.54's or 3.73's would be a possibility in those right? Doesn't Angryblack's 4700 LP have a 3.54 rear end?
no idea.
I know that the spicer axle in the uhaul has a 4.33 high end gearset.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:56 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If you want some idea of what past trucks went for, check out the Auction Results tab on that page.
http://www.auctiontime.com/list/List...id=6&bcatid=27

Warning, its addictive. Do not follow the link unless you have a lot of time to waste.

I'm resisting all urges to make MDT comments. You guys owe me a beer just for that.

Example: http://www.auctiontime.com/OnlineAuc...trk&bcatid=27&
http://www.auctiontime.com/OnlineAuc...trk&bcatid=27&

Hint: use the 1 line listing, then select by year and model you are interested in. It goes much faster.

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Old 04-26-2012, 02:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I'm resisting all urges to make MDT comments. You guys owe me a beer just for that.

Example: http://www.auctiontime.com/OnlineAuc...trk&bcatid=27&
You know, this is your thread, comment away!





I don't use my MDT enough to want to upgrade it further.
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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3.54's or 3.73's would be a possibility in those right? Doesn't Angryblack's 4700 LP have a 3.54 rear end?

Well thats what the build sheet says..I have to go down 36 floors and go to the truck and its raining..

I havent done the math but even with a non lockup and the 33"ish tires my truck maxes out at 68 mph at 2700 rpm..Dont think the truck has the third member it was specced with anymore..

The 7.3 is a decent engine.I still wouldnt buy one in and mdt if it costs more than 3 stacks..The 466 isnt much better in my eyes other than its a wet sleeve engine..Stock power numbers from IH dont impress me until you get into the 530 and id still rather have a M11.

But most lower end MDTS are just regular delivery tow work trucks.. Pickup trucks now a days are fancy smancy due to the need to sell more..So its not a good comparison..Makes me luagh when i see a guy with a king ranch say that they would never buy an MDT..I usually counter with if I wanted to drive luxury it wouldnt be a ford..Id be looking at G wagons.

I mean even though there is a thread for this topic already( i realize ME2 is an attention whore) I dont think the truck is worth more than 3400.. The rear air ride is more than likely specced the same as uhual trucks and has the manual dump valve,The tranny is a 4 speed with a deeper 1st gear and more than likely no OD.

From the looks of it its just some ghetto assed reupholstered seats and some homo depot carpet..The freightshaker Business class M2's are a lot nicer.

But for the hayburner crowd who wants a safer and safer feeling tow pig, the guy who wants to get his equipment or whatever there safer its a great step up..

Again most guys who tow with pickemups drive them more than just a few times a year..Most of the MDT guys here leave them unless they need them..Im probably the only fool who drives his everyday to work, but i dont have any normal cars in my fleet.
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Here is a 466 and an Allison for $2900. Probably came from a schoolie.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...968749799.html

The Allison behind the 444 is probably too light to use behind a 466.

One nice thing about *some* Allisons is they have a high speed (0.6x:1) OD gear. Not sure if that applies to the Allisons in these vehicles though.

If the Allison in the 4700 does have a fast OD in it, the rear end ratio was probably selected to match it, in order to harness the "power" of the 444.

And, btw, the International 444 ECMs are different than the Ford 7.3 ECMs.
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The 466 isnt much better in my eyes other than its a wet sleeve engine..Stock power numbers from IH dont impress me...
WTF ? OD on truth serum lately ?

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Old 04-26-2012, 02:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
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And, btw, the International 444 ECMs are different than the Ford 7.3 ECMs.
Different, sure. But the 10k resister mod still works, and Wildman and a couple others can reflash the PCM to similar programs available for the 7.3.

Still maybe not the best motor option for a MDT, but they are fairly reliable and take the abuse well.

Just drop a cinder block on the accelerator and enjoy the ride...
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WTF ? OD on truth serum lately ?
Dafawk is dat supposed to mean..Try harder troll.. They are still better for my needs than some raggedy assed pickup truck.And still awesome engines that are dead nuts workhorses..

The statement referred to the stock power numbers..Untill you get into HDts all these engines are detuned to last longer..

I work with a fleet of 5 DT444e's that get run hard every day and not warmed up,constantly pulling 24K around..On top of that they run 30K a year and get one oil change every winter..

So while the DT466 isnt much better in my eyes id still take either of them for my uses.
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On top of that they run 30K a year and get one oil change every winter..
Wait...do what now?
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Wait...do what now?
Yep 30k miles a year on average and get one oil change...Sad but true..many political factors to metion as to why, but it boils down to a cawksucking idiot for a boss and a lazy mechanic.
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that truck is everything i HATE in MDTs:

international (intertrashional)
small engine
auto trans
hydraulic brakes
international wiring
low-pro
plastic everywhere

no way would give up an f-350 for that pile of shit
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that truck is everything i HATE in MDTs:

international (intertrashional)
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hydraulic brakes
international wiring
low-pro
plastic everywhere

no way would give up an f-350 for that pile of shit
You said it ! AMEN, BROTHER !
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international wiring
Wait, you mean the gauges aren't supposed to die when you turn the headlights on or lights die when you turn the radio on? I thought that was normal.
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Wait, you mean the gauges aren't supposed to die when you turn the headlights on or lights die when you turn the radio on? I thought that was normal.
Yeah because its only ok if its dodge's crap wiring and a cummin's is under the hood
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not saying the dodges are any better (ive had several ctds)- , but these IHs take the cake for shitty wiring. we have a fleet of them at work (all low milage, parked inside, etc) and they are PLAGUED with electrical issues, bad computers, etc. they are CONSTANTLY at the IH dealer getting repairs. unfortunatley, there is a huge market for cheap, bottom-of-the-barrel trucks. ive driven 80-93 dodges for years, but they dont hold a candle to the unreliablility of those era IH trucks. i'd be glad to go into detail on specifics, but i *think* most people understand.
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I don't think the new era International stuff is any better in that regard. I've driven new (07-10) 15L Cummins Prostars that were absolute shit when it came to electrical problems. As soon as they hit 100k things would just start shitting the bed. I could forgive an old clapped out $3k box truck for things like that because they're old and cheap enough to justify the problems. But in a $100+k fairly new truck, fuck that.

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I don't think the new era International stuff is any better in that regard. I've driven new (07-10) 15L Cummins Prostars that were absolute shit when it came to electrical problems. As soon as they hit 100k things would just start shitting the bed. I could forgive an old clapped out $3k box truck for things like that because they're old and cheap enough to justify the problems. But in a $100+k fairly new truck, fuck that.
i agree. we have several 2011-2012 work star (or some silly shit like that) s/a dump trucks with *i think* 9 liter "maxx force" engines. none of them have over 5k miles on them yet. they have all been back to the dealer for fairly extensive repairs already--computer, wiring harnesses, connectors, one had the fan come off and take out the radiator, 2 head gaskets, an egr cooler, multiple large leaks, multiple instrument clusters, constant check engine lights, etc. it almost makes me mad that they keep buying them; given the track record of our fleet over the last 10 years, since IH moved away from the 466/466e engines. other municipalities and other divisions of ours seem to be moving away from the IHs, sighting reliability issues. we just ordered 3 more, including something with a V8 IH diesel. my boss thinks they are "pretty".

edit: ever notice how IH has all these silly sames for everything they make? maxx force, work star, work force. it infuriates me.
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makes me glad my bullshit is all mechanical, and has the simplest wiring on the planet aside from a lawnmower.
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