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Old 10-02-2012, 07:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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God damn Ecoboost gave my Duramax a run for its money

Note: Pointless towing/drag racing story, no tech.

Me and a buddy were towing up to Rausch Creek with comparably built 'yotas on 16' car trailers(roughly 6k lbs I figure). He kept pace with me on every hill. Couldn't pull away from him no matter how hard I tried. Rolling onto the interstate from an on ramp, I couldn't pull on him either.

My truck: 2006 GMC 2500 Duramax(LLY) CCSB 150k miles, bone stock

His truck: 2012 Ford F-150 Ecoboost, probably around 10k miles

I was pretty impressed by the Ford. Guess it's time for some mods on my truck

Only up side was I got 3mpg better than him while towing/racing.
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Only up side was I got 3mpg better than him while towing/racing.
yeah, but whats he get empty?
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Only 3 MPG better isn't that much of a up side. I'm guessing if it was a regular gasser the difference would have been much bigger.
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yeah, but whats he get empty?
Shhh, him keeping pace was bad enough.

Actually, I think he said he's in the 18-19 range, which if I drive my truck like a truck and not a sports car, I can get into the 17-18 range during mixed driving.
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We've been shopping for new trucks for our work fleet.

IIRC the Ecoboost F150's on paper say up to 22mpg, 18 mixed.

Don't know anyone who owns one though personally to verify.
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I'd own he Chevy over the Ford. 3 mpg doesn't make much of a difference.
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There's no doubt I can mod my truck to absolutely kill the Ecoboost, although that begs the question what would a modded Ecoboost do?

I was just really surprised/impressed that a 3.5L Twin Turbo V6 kept pace with a 6.6L Turbo Diesel.
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Lets see what kind of durability that Ecoboost has. Make a similar comparison when the F150 has 150k on the odometer.
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We've been shopping for new trucks for our work fleet.

IIRC the Ecoboost F150's on paper say up to 22mpg, 18 mixed.

Don't know anyone who owns one though personally to verify.
A neighbor down the street has one. It's the wife's DD. The son has a 2012 Ram Hemi. They get the same mileage. The mom wanted the ecoboost for mileage, but she has been pretty disappointed. Even being nice to it and on the hwy she gets no better than her sons Ram with the hemi. She has never gotten over 20 no matter what she gets. She tells me she typically sees 16. I would not be impressed after all the hype, but everyone should know better than to buy based on EPA ratings.
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I am the owner of the above mentioned Ecoboost. The ecoboost was a replacement for my 99 Powerstroke. I will post up my driving impressions and mileage a little later cause I gotta run.
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Just from my experience with the newer F150s, I'd take a 3/4 ton any day. The F150s have flimsy springs and ride too mushy for my taste.
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This really shouldn't be much of a surprise. Both trucks make similar HP and have excellent transmissions for keeping them in their usable high average / peak power range. I would expect them to perform very comparably. The main difference would be that the eco-boost is getting wrung out by using a lot of RPM to keep pace with the Dmax. But the point is, it does keep. What kind of life expectancy it may having trying to keep up like that on a frequent basis is another story.
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Check out what an Ecoboost can do with a good tune... 430 TQ to the wheels!


Peak gains on this pull were 69 RWHP and 88 RWTQ. Notice though up top, gains are much more. We left the cursor on the graph so you can see the gains. Around 104 RWHP / 114 RWTQ.
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So... I had a 99 PSD, 6spd extra cab short bed truck with exhaust and a DP tuner and Southbend clutch. Truck was awesome, would have kept it forever if I didnt want more space and it wasnt rusting. I had already replaced a cab corner and the other side was on its way out. Truck had 240K on it when I sold it for 10k so it held its value pretty well.

I never tow over 7k even though I may have had grand illusions of getting a goose and towing multiple rigs, it was never never going to happen. The Powerstroke sounded like a school bus and rode like one too, which I liked and didn't like.

Buying a new vehicle is never really makes sense finacially and in the long run it would be cheaper to keep running the Powerstroke, but the wife wanted me to have a new truck so thats what happend.

Driving impressions. My truck is set up with max tow package and 3.73 rear axle 4wd crew, so it is about the worst setup you can get for fuel mileage.

Flat highway below 65mph =21mpg
Towing 6-6500lbs going faster then posted speed limit: 10.8 mpg
Mix of city back roads and going up and down a mountain and speeding everyday: 17mpg
Towing a small alum bass boat 700 miles 4 people and gear going 65: 19.6mpg

Suspension rides great unloaded. Loaded its soft in the rear, bags would help. I pay attention to how I load my trailer, with the F250 didnt matter. Towing power is awesome, very close to my powerstroke with a tune, but I feel I was working the ECO harder.

The ECO is very impressive, 65mph 1900 rpm in 6th and only downshifts if you romp it or come to a grade.

End of the day, I will always miss my Powerstroke just cause its a dying breed of rawness, but the Eco is so nice to drive. AC and heated seats, back up camera, built in brake controller and awesome tow mirrors made the trip to Rausch so nice. I drive this truck everyday, so it is the combo of powder and economy that I was looking for.

I was expecting the Dmax to just walk away from my truck, but was very pleased with its performance. I think this might have been the kick in the pants Ary needed to start some mods to his Dmax.
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Check out what an Ecoboost can do with a good tune... 430 TQ to the wheels!


Peak gains on this pull were 69 RWHP and 88 RWTQ. Notice though up top, gains are much more. We left the cursor on the graph so you can see the gains. Around 104 RWHP / 114 RWTQ.
I got a buddy who has an ecoboost and was talking about tuning. Where'd this tune come from?
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A new Duramax would walk all over the Ecoboost...
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We've been shopping for new trucks for our work fleet.

IIRC the Ecoboost F150's on paper say up to 22mpg, 18 mixed.

Don't know anyone who owns one though personally to verify.
Have a friend who traded in a GMC 1500 extracab for an F150 crewcab with the ecoboost. He says he is MUCH happier with the Ford. Says the interior is better, the ride is better, the handling is better, the power is huge improvement, and the mileage is surprising at an easy 20MPG average.

If you are a GM loyalist you will hate the F150, but if not it is a hell of a great truck.
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With the added costs of the diesel option, the 6.2 eco is probably the direction we're headed with the next round of trucks. One of our guys is using an F-350 eco to haul a skid loader around and he's loving it.
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Wonder how that ecoboost would do towing up a steep grade for 5-10 miles. I think the dmax would out pull in that situation...
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Wonder how that ecoboost would do towing up a steep grade for 5-10 miles. I think the dmax would out pull in that situation...
not only that but i can almost garentee the trans temp and life would be much longer....oh but why hasnt anyone mentioned.....the brakes?

and with the added wieght of the the 2500 id be much happier not noticing the trailer (even between my buddys 97 7.3 4x4 ext cab long bed and my 01 std cab long bed 5.9 dodge his feels much better towing granted mine outruns him but a heavy trailer is much less noticeable in the turns)
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If you are a GM loyalist you will hate the F150, but if not it is a hell of a great truck.
Tons of these threads on the RV forums.
I am GM-preferring in most aspects, but the EcoBoost 3.5L V6 will make a great mid-level Mustang.
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With the added costs of the diesel option, the 6.2 eco is probably the direction we're headed with the next round of trucks. One of our guys is using an F-350 eco to haul a skid loader around and he's loving it.
Ford isn't going to turbo the 6.2. They don't even offer that in the Shelby Mustang, let alone a heavier work truck. Sure, GM is offering supercharged 6.2s in 3 different car lines, but it's still GCWRs under 7000 pounds.
Will we see an EcoBoost 5.0L F150? Probably. An EcoBoost F250? maybe. But a boosted 6.2 in a truck from Ford or GM? Nope. In fact, GM is working on a direct-injected 5.5L to replace their 6.2L in all their current 6.2L applications.
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