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Old 01-10-2013, 12:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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1st gen cummins

Have a chance to trade my 2003 4x4 2500hd Chevy crew cab with the 6.0 for a 1993 dodge dually. Looking for some advice on what to look for on the older cummins trucks. Or would this trade be a fair trade?

Obviously it won't ride like a newer truck but I'm wanting something that gets better mpg's while pulling a trailer.

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5-speed. Everything works it gets great mileage 18+ always. It has 215k on the clock and still turning. It has 100hp injectors, s300 turbo, 4" turbo back exhaust, airdog 150 fuel system, new injection pump with fuel pin and 3800 govenor spring. Anyways it runs great and can be driven anywhere right now.


I don't know much about diesels so looking for the advice of pirate
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Post some more info on your truck, so everyone knows what you have exactly.
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Old 01-10-2013, 04:49 AM   #3 (permalink)
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That dodge is worth about 6kish assuming the brakes and clutch are good

If you can go beat on it and watch the egts. I'm always leery of buying a 12v someone has messed with
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:54 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Mines just a plain Jane has 166k on it few of the normal Chevy issues with the dash. Nothing really special, might need some new tires in a year or so

Typical 10 year old truck, it won't be my daily driver unless it gets better fuel milage then my toyota 4runner
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Old 01-10-2013, 07:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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That dodge would be worth $3500 around here being 4x2. With the Chevy's being 4x4 it'd be worth a little more, if it was only 2 wheel drive then then it'd probably be a fair trade.

I know you're in TX but 4x2 diesel trucks are pretty helpless in any snow or wet grass with all the wieght being up front.

That dodge will pull a lot harder and be more stable towing since it's a dually and should be fairly trouble free, the only problem you might have if you tow a lot is the getrag.

A 1st gen cummins has to be my favorite truck, but in your situation I'd keep the Chevy, or sell it and find a 1st gen to buy.
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Only been a few times I've needed 4wd, but definitely was nice to have push button 4wd. And I've only seen snow twice in my life, it melted the same day lol

Now getting stuck in wet grass or mud might happen but if I'm using the truck my buggy should be near to help get it unstuck, or what are some good options for doing solid axle swap on these?

My truck is showing its age and could use some TLC that I'm not really concerned about since its more of a work truck to me. Bought it about 3 years ago for 7500
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As a 1st gen cummins owner I can tell you to a few things to look for.

When you open the hood there should be a build sticker on the underside of the hood. You want 3.55 gears which should be shown on the sticker.

Brakes - These truck dont have hydroboost and dont make much vacuum for the booster. Drive the truck and see how the brakes feel. The abs on these trucks only works on the back axle. I had to bypass the abs on my truck to get more out of the brakes and now they work pretty well but they aren't anything like a truck with hydroboost.

Engine - With the turbo and injectors I would hook your loaded trailer to it and go for a test spin up the steepest local hill to see what your egts are.

Has the killer dowl pin benn killed?

Getrag trans is a pretty good transmission if its been overfilled by a quart or more of fluid. The factory fill line has been known to starve the bearings of oil.
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Killer dowel pin?

The owner told me it has a hd sach clutch, new synchronizers, and filled one quart over the fill mark. Thought that was odd but guess that's normal and how to save them

My light weight trailer I have now doesn't have any brakes. But I'm looking to get a gooseneck or better trailer in the future and will make sure it has brakes on both axles
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Googled the kdp. I'll ask about it if I go to look at it

He said he took care of it while replacing the injection pump
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Just for compairison I have a 93 cummins w250 with 4 wheeldrive, 31" tires, 3.54 gears and the getrag trans. Everything under the hood is stock except for the timing bump, and me turning the power screw and smoke screw on the pump. My truck, bumper pull trailer, jeep and weekend supplies gross out at around 15200lbs. I dont typically have to down shift for any hills once I'm up to 65 - 70 mph I just put my foot in it a little more and watch the gauges.

I'm guessing your going to be grossing over 17000 with a heavy gooseneck trailer and one rig? What are you looking to tow with the truck, 1 rig, 2 rigs, toyhauler?
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The future plans would be a gooseneck with cab over and my buggy (3-4k) or maybe two yotas on the trailer.

For now though just my buggy on the bumper pull low boy. But might be in the market to put a cab over in the bed
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Trade a 10 year old truck for a 20 year old truck? No way.
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Brandon,

i have that exact truck sitting in my driveway right now. Except its in black. It rides super smooth for an older truck. I put o-mile rebuilt Getrag in it and it runs fine. Still need to get it titled and registered in my name, then I plan on using it as my "new" tow rig. I plan on just putting new gaskets on it and rebuilding the pump and calling it a day.
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Trade a 10 year old truck for a 20 year old truck? No way.
Kind of want a unique truck that not everyone has. I've lost my truck in parking lots

And as long as it can pull more then my Chevy I'm ok with it

Yeah Alex I like the look of them. Not really much of a dodge fan but I'm kind of limited with my truck now. And of course I'm a tard at times so something simple to work on would be better for me. I think I'll have a look at it and just see.
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The future plans would be a gooseneck with cab over and my buggy (3-4k) or maybe two yotas on the trailer.

For now though just my buggy on the bumper pull low boy. But might be in the market to put a cab over in the bed
I would say that the truck in stock form with just the pump mods will pull a gooseneck with 2 yotas with mabey some down shifting in the mountains and on big hills. That being said I have no clue if the injectors and turbo will help or hurt. Some of these guys put super shitty injectors in that puff lots of smoke and make power but with high egts. I know a lot of ppl use s300 turbos when building twins, I'm not to sure how a single s300 will do.

If you can get the truck with stock turbo and injectors that would be your best bet. Then if it blows alot of smoke and is laggy you can put the factory stuff on and just bump the timing ,turn the pump and run it.

I would ask the owner what he was building the truck to do. If he sayes towing and sayes he has towed xxthousands of pounds without issue you may be in good shape. But if he sayes he was building the truck to race and sled pull then its probably a smokey, laggy waste of a cummins.
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Doesn't sound like it was any race truck. Almost more of a daily driver. He said he was a mechanic for cummins and used the truck to run out of town to get parts

Sounds like its worth looking at but if anything is wrong ill just run from it and try to sell off my Chevy later on and look for a second gen cummins
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In Texas it might not be a big deal, but the '89 I had up here in MD was starting to rust around the drip ring (above the windshield) and the rear wheel wells were starting to bubble as well.
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In Texas it might not be a big deal, but the '89 I had up here in MD was starting to rust around the drip ring (above the windshield) and the rear wheel wells were starting to bubble as well.
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My first gen rusted through the roof. The back windows are known to leak also. If I were you, I'd stick with the chevy.
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My first gen rusted through the roof. The back windows are known to leak also. If I were you, I'd stick with the chevy.
Yep. Mine leaked at the top drip rail above the windshield. Its caulked up now. No other rust issues really.
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here is a good place for 1st gens
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Check for major blowby and 3.54 gears. My getrag was rebuilt with a new 1-2 synchro, autos don't do well with the old trucks. Kinda odd that he replaced the injection pump.. Other than that, sweet truck. Don't buy a first gen if you aren't into first gen's.
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Check the frame right by the steering box, it really necks down there in size and I've seen a couple of them develop cracks there, including my old 1993 w250. I ended up having to cut that whole section of frame off my truck and rebuild it with new steel.
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eery damn time!!!!

fuck that half plastic over wired pos chevy.

that dodge is worth 2x as much as that chevy.
Kind of my same thought. The Chevy has been good to me but its slowly giving me problems. So a solid truck might be a good thing
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Sure wouldn't trade my Chevy for an old dodge. And I have both. Brakes will suck on the dodge.
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