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Old 09-28-2010, 12:28 PM   #3726 (permalink)
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As far as towing a boat with a minivan, one reason its a bad idea, all of the tongue weight is on the rear end of a front wheel drive vehicle, therefore giving less traction to the front drive wheels. One front drive wheels lose traction on a wet incline, with 3500lbs hanging off the back, bad things happen. I saw a Town and Country trying to pull a boat up a ramp, with no weight on the drive wheels, he started spinning them, and slid backwards.
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Old 09-28-2010, 04:31 PM   #3727 (permalink)
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That, plus you're dealing without a surge brake trailer, so its even more important to have as heavy and long a tow rig as possible.
I'm towing a 9000 pound boat 100 miles tomorrow, I could tow with a Chevy 3500 dually duramax or a 14000 pound F-750. Guess which tow rig I'm taking?
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Old 09-28-2010, 06:46 PM   #3728 (permalink)
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Boats are about the easiest load to tow (per weight), IMO...
My great uncle puts his 19ft 4.3l runabout in the water in the spring and takes it out of the water in the fall with his caravan... refuses to take my truck or the wife''s trailblazer... it actually rows it fine... no wandering, understeer, or stability issues, as long as you don't try and drive it like is empty... don't know that I would tow it any distance in the mountains, but its really not bad...
My brother-in-law used to tow their 18-footer (200HP outboard) with his Caravan all the time. He has an F150, but he said the van tows better and was more comfortable with all the kids, so they used that.

Then he put two new transmissions in the Caravan and now he tows the boat with the pickup.


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Old 09-28-2010, 06:57 PM   #3729 (permalink)
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My brother-in-law used to tow their 18-footer (200HP outboard) with his Caravan all the time. He has an F150, but he said the van tows better and was more comfortable with all the kids, so they used that.

Then he put two new transmissions in the Caravan and now he tows the boat with the pickup.


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Yeah, the caravans with the magic pin that shoots out the side of the transmission case... Does so under normal driving, as well, but I suspect towing makes it worse...

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Old 09-28-2010, 09:45 PM   #3730 (permalink)
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As far as towing a boat with a minivan, one reason its a bad idea, all of the tongue weight is on the rear end of a front wheel drive vehicle, therefore giving less traction to the front drive wheels. One front drive wheels lose traction on a wet incline, with 3500lbs hanging off the back, bad things happen. I saw a Town and Country trying to pull a boat up a ramp, with no weight on the drive wheels, he started spinning them, and slid backwards.

Even if the boat weighed 3500lbs, ideally, there would only be 350lbs of tongue weight. No where near enough to cause the thing to go sliding out of control down the boat ramp If anything...FWD will keep the driving tires on dry (or drier) concrete...I'd rather that than the rear wheels of a pickup under the water an possibly on the algae.

I can lift the tongue on my buddy's 20'er without any trouble.
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Old 09-28-2010, 09:49 PM   #3731 (permalink)
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Oh you mean like the pics below.....it only took me about 10k after my parents handed it down to me to do this. I have a thing for grenading grocery getter slushboxes.

BUT, prior to this, the 98 caravan that this tranny was in towed a 12ft. Jayco popup for many many miles and hauled its share of everything from Scouts, to furniture, to whatever we could cram in that fugger. And until I grenaded it (pin slipped from diff through bellhousing) it ran like a champ. We never had any trouble towing that camper and came very close to the tow rating of the van when fully loaded. Probably the most versatile vehicle I can think of....20mpg, tows 3000lb with ease, hauls everyone + their shit at the same time. Can't beat them
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Yep, that would be the one... My friend's parents' Caravan went through 3 pins (and therefore, transmissions) in 200k miles, without towing anything...

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Old 10-02-2010, 12:33 PM   #3734 (permalink)
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I know it's not big. The dumb makes up for it. This guy was not going slow and local, I just happened to catch him at a light.

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I know it's not big. The dumb makes up for it. This guy was not going slow and local, I just happened to catch him at a light.

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so he's holding back 40lbs of 1x6's with enough brand new bungees to hold 200lbs worth of crap?

was it doing the hokey pokey going down the road? if not, looks fine to me other than I'd have run the bungees to the lower tie points in the bed instead of the uppers...

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this is from last winter of my dad and i on a job site. we made these loads multiple times and the more we did it, the bigger/higher they got. we obviously weren't moving the insulation far though; just staying within the job site
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Depends on whether or not the hitch has been changed. Every diesel pusher I've ever seen has come with a class III hitch, 5000 lbs. GTW and 500 lbs. tongue weight...that's WAY more than 5000 lbs. I've seen several of them come apart.

I had to retrofit mine just to tow the Jeep and some gear, much less a crew cab and a couple of ATV's. The retrofit means you're building your own hitch or having one custom built as a Class IV hitch generally isn't available for them.
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so he's holding back 40lbs of 1x6's with enough brand new bungees to hold 200lbs worth of crap?

was it doing the hokey pokey going down the road? if not, looks fine to me other than I'd have run the bungees to the lower tie points in the bed instead of the uppers...
I worked in a lumber yard when I was a kid. Loads like that fell off all the time. Those bungees aren't doing hardly anything. Tailgate up and load diagonal would do it.
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I worked in a lumber yard when I was a kid. Loads like that fell off all the time. Those bungees aren't doing hardly anything. Tailgate up and load diagonal would do it.
apparently they're holding down that 40lbs just fine. You didn't mention them sliding all over or half coming out etc, they're still shoved up against the cab, so I'd say they're doing what they were expected to do.

I understand your working at a lumber yard, and knowing that there are better ways, I'm just saying that it's not "big" and it's very marginally "dumb" IMHO.
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I was riding with my stepmom in her Malibu wagon when I was a kid when it got a 2x4 through the grill in a situation just like that.
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I was riding with my stepmom in her Malibu wagon when I was a kid when it got a 2x4 through the grill in a situation just like that.
Hopefully she learned about gating...
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Not sure how much one of these boats weigh, but it looked scary. Air Suspension getting a work out



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Hopefully she learned about gating...
She wasn't tailgating. 2x4s sailing out of the back of trucks aren't highly visible.
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Well, you can only put so much on a 20+4

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Old 10-05-2010, 02:40 PM   #3748 (permalink)
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let me be the first to ask, how did you stack the one tire? had to weigh at least 600 lbs right.

oh that poor trailer lol
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I'll say that's a huge dumb load but that's a nice ass truck!

Is there a build thread for that??
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Well, you can only put so much on a 20+4

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that truck makes your tow rig look like a colorado. lol
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