What year 7.3 diesels went to turbo? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

suprdave737 · 04-19-2008, 06:49 PM

Sorry, Im not familiar with the ford diesels. Have seen some cheap late 80s and 90s F350s advertised and might go with one for a throwdown worktruck to haul construction crap in and out of my woods property. Which ones have turbo? Thanks for any info.

DSI · 04-19-2008, 06:52 PM

as far as i remember, the ford IDI motor's went turbo in 93 and 94, then being replaced with the international powerstroke in 94.5/95

suprdave737 · 04-19-2008, 06:54 PM

Also until what year are they still mechanical injection ? Cheaper to fix the older mechanical units right? Thanks

DSI · 04-19-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by suprdave737

Also until what year are they still mechanical injection ? Cheaper to fix the older mechanical units right? Thanks

Same deal, the ford built motor was a manual pump, though they are huge money when they fail, and cannot make near the power the PSD can.

BurnedBronco · 04-19-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DSI

Same deal, the ford built motor was a manual pump, though they are huge money when they fail, and cannot make near the power the PSD can.

not really... a pump for a turbo unit is only $550, and injectors are like $40 each, no big fucking deal, vs a
$450 High pressure oil pump and $275 a pop injectors in a powerstroke.
7.3 IDI way better truck for a beater work truck......

uglyscout · 04-19-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DSI

as far as i remember, the ford IDI motor's went turbo in 93 and 94, then being replaced with the international powerstroke in 94.5/95

I'm pretty sure International built all the ford v8 diesels....the 6.9 and the 7.3 and the 6.0 and the 6.4....

The 6.9 started in 1983.

The 7.3 IDI 1988 -

The 7.3 T-444 started in mid 1994 and they are all turbo'd.

The 6.0 came around in 2003 -- And the 6.4 hit the streets in 2008 trucks...

MoonDog · 04-20-2008, 02:11 AM

The pre-powerstroke turbos were only made for half a year in the '94 model and used an ATS kit. I have an '88 with the non-turbo IDI, a turbo kit really wakes the engine up and they're all mechanical good solid engines. Turbo kits can be had used on craigslist for under $1k, I picked up a banks sidewinder needing a rebuild for $300.

rock-rod · 04-20-2008, 06:43 AM

I had a late '94 factory turbo F250 4x4.......FWIW my current tow rig has more power. Maybe that truck was worn out, but I was not impressed with the pulling power or the economy.

BurnedBronco · 04-20-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MoonDog

The pre-powerstroke turbos were only made for half a year in the '94 model and used an ATS kit. .

BS they made them in 93 when they had a 5 speed ebhind them.

suprdave737 · 04-20-2008, 07:40 AM

Alright thanks for the info. I will consider an older 7.3 F350 worthy of cheap beater status. I wont mess with the powerstroke - that $1800 bucks for a set of injectors holy crap. Im normally all GM but if an f350 is almost given to me i will give it a try.

Camarogenius · 04-20-2008, 08:10 AM

'Nother endorsement for the ol' IDI motors. Mine knocks down 20 mpg, and has pulled 12,000 without any fuss.
The quad cab F-350 I had for a while had a banks side winder on an IDI, and it would lay black smoke from the pipe and shit and be gone in nothing flat.
Don't feel like you're "settling for" a Ford IDI.
I'm a Chevy man as well, but I'll be keeping my IDI til one of us dies.

brewchief · 04-20-2008, 09:26 AM

I used to own a 94 with the factory turbo, while it was sourced from ATS I think it was a bit differant then the kit they sold, I know they had some upgrades for them. I wouldn't go looking for a turbo IDI truck, the power level increase wasn't that much, I was told Ford added the turbo more for emissions then anything else and after owning one I would not be surprised, mine certainly wasn't a powerhouse.

Brewchief

Redmist · 04-21-2008, 10:09 PM

Fer sale, PERFECT FOR YA!

/forum/vehicles-trailers-sale/677270-1997-1ton-powerstroke-turbo-drw-flatbed-5th-wheel.html

suprdave737 · 04-22-2008, 07:11 AM

Hey thanks Redmist but im looking for something older and cheaper-beater and closer to houston would be better. Thanks anyway.

jaluhn · 04-27-2008, 11:34 PM

The factory turbo was avalible in 93 & 94. My shop has a 93 F350 w/ factory turbo. As best I know, the non-turbo was also avalible in 93 & 94, and the psd later in 94. So, a 94 ford diesel can be any of three motors, all of which are 7.3L, and not the same. (turbo idi's were essentially the same as non turbo but used differnt pump, injectors, pistons (larger wrist pin, maybe also lower compression) and rods. Powerstrokes are completely different.

The factory turboed trucks were not remotely the same as an aftermarket turbo kit. The motors are only rated at 190-ish Hp versus 170 for a no turbo & 215 for the first gen PSD. From their website, I beilive the banks kit on a non turbo 7.3 is good for 260-ish Hp. There is quite a bit of speculation that ford deliberatly made the idi turbo wimpy so it wouldn't be more powerful than the psd's.

While the idi's will never make the power that a chipped psd will, with a turbo they're definetely nothing to laugh at. I'm not sure what stock rating are for the later trucks, but I think a idi with a turbo & intercooler will rival, if not beat most of the trucks with the possible exception of the newests diesel. Not bad for a 20+ year old truck. I know that at one dyno event I went to, a turbo idi beat a couple of brand new trucks. (diesels, this was a few years ago, 05 maybe)

Anyway, IMHO, the old idi's are not to be lightly dismissed, athough finding a nice one these day is getting hard. I can't argue that they'll beat a psd in making power, but for the price of a late 90's truck, you can get an idi, put a rebuilt motor & turbo on it, and have a comperable and more reliable truck.
~John

mjlogan88 · 04-30-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jaluhn

While the idi's will never make the power that a chipped psd will, with a turbo they're definetely nothing to laugh at. I'm not sure what stock rating are for the later trucks, but I think a idi with a turbo & intercooler will rival, if not beat most of the trucks with the possible exception of the newests diesel. Not bad for a 20+ year old truck. I know that at one dyno event I went to, a turbo idi beat a couple of brand new trucks. (diesels, this was a few years ago, 05 maybe)

~John

There was an article in a mag a while back comparing a 6.9 with a banks turbo to a late model stock psd and they were within 1hp of each other

Miss my old NA 6.9

Fool Injected · 04-30-2008, 01:28 PM

http://forum.tx4wd.org/viewtopic.php...er=asc&start=0

1984 with a 91 IDI diesel. Might be the best thing around. I think dude will take around $1500 for it.

04-19-2008, 06:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
suprdave737 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Member # 49108 Location: Texas Posts: 470	What year 7.3 diesels went to turbo? Sorry, Im not familiar with the ford diesels. Have seen some cheap late 80s and 90s F350s advertised and might go with one for a throwdown worktruck to haul construction crap in and out of my woods property. Which ones have turbo? Thanks for any info.

04-19-2008, 06:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
DSI Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: May 2000 Member # 920 Location: The Land of Debauchery (NV) Posts: 15,130	as far as i remember, the ford IDI motor's went turbo in 93 and 94, then being replaced with the international powerstroke in 94.5/95 __________________ Thanks to the companies that make it happen: Bilstein Shock Absorbers, Trail-Gear, Trent Fab, PRP Seats, Raceline Wheels, PSC, MJ Motorsports

04-20-2008, 02:11 AM	#7 (permalink)
MoonDog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3455 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 921	The pre-powerstroke turbos were only made for half a year in the '94 model and used an ATS kit. I have an '88 with the non-turbo IDI, a turbo kit really wakes the engine up and they're all mechanical good solid engines. Turbo kits can be had used on craigslist for under $1k, I picked up a banks sidewinder needing a rebuild for $300. __________________ '84 Toyota HooptieRunner

04-20-2008, 06:43 AM	#8 (permalink)
rock-rod Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20092 Location: Porker, CO Posts: 3,466	I had a late '94 factory turbo F250 4x4.......FWIW my current tow rig has more power. Maybe that truck was worn out, but I was not impressed with the pulling power or the economy. __________________ '94 Toyota Land Cruiser FJZ80 - Vortec L33 5.3l, 4L60e, elocked, 3" OME lift, 315 KM2s, Warn 8074.

04-20-2008, 07:40 AM	#10 (permalink)
suprdave737 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Member # 49108 Location: Texas Posts: 470	Alright thanks for the info. I will consider an older 7.3 F350 worthy of cheap beater status. I wont mess with the powerstroke - that $1800 bucks for a set of injectors holy crap. Im normally all GM but if an f350 is almost given to me i will give it a try. Last edited by suprdave737; 04-20-2008 at 07:41 AM.

04-19-2008, 06:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
suprdave737 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Member # 49108 Location: Texas Posts: 470	Also until what year are they still mechanical injection ? Cheaper to fix the older mechanical units right? Thanks

04-20-2008, 08:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
Camarogenius ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Join Date: Jun 2005 Member # 49232 Location: Longview, TX Posts: 1,970	'Nother endorsement for the ol' IDI motors. Mine knocks down 20 mpg, and has pulled 12,000 without any fuss. The quad cab F-350 I had for a while had a banks side winder on an IDI, and it would lay black smoke from the pipe and shit and be gone in nothing flat. Don't feel like you're "settling for" a Ford IDI. I'm a Chevy man as well, but I'll be keeping my IDI til one of us dies. __________________ SECEDE! Truth is treason in the kingdom of lies.

04-20-2008, 09:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
brewchief Rock God Join Date: Apr 2006 Member # 71185 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,569	I used to own a 94 with the factory turbo, while it was sourced from ATS I think it was a bit differant then the kit they sold, I know they had some upgrades for them. I wouldn't go looking for a turbo IDI truck, the power level increase wasn't that much, I was told Ford added the turbo more for emissions then anything else and after owning one I would not be surprised, mine certainly wasn't a powerhouse. Brewchief

04-21-2008, 10:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
Redmist Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Member # 43646 Location: Idaho Posts: 1,650	Fer sale, PERFECT FOR YA! /forum/vehicles-trailers-sale/677270-1997-1ton-powerstroke-turbo-drw-flatbed-5th-wheel.html

04-22-2008, 07:11 AM	#14 (permalink)
suprdave737 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Member # 49108 Location: Texas Posts: 470	Hey thanks Redmist but im looking for something older and cheaper-beater and closer to houston would be better. Thanks anyway.

04-27-2008, 11:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
jaluhn Rock God Join Date: Mar 2003 Member # 17947 Location: Santee CA Posts: 1,338	The factory turbo was avalible in 93 & 94. My shop has a 93 F350 w/ factory turbo. As best I know, the non-turbo was also avalible in 93 & 94, and the psd later in 94. So, a 94 ford diesel can be any of three motors, all of which are 7.3L, and not the same. (turbo idi's were essentially the same as non turbo but used differnt pump, injectors, pistons (larger wrist pin, maybe also lower compression) and rods. Powerstrokes are completely different. The factory turboed trucks were not remotely the same as an aftermarket turbo kit. The motors are only rated at 190-ish Hp versus 170 for a no turbo & 215 for the first gen PSD. From their website, I beilive the banks kit on a non turbo 7.3 is good for 260-ish Hp. There is quite a bit of speculation that ford deliberatly made the idi turbo wimpy so it wouldn't be more powerful than the psd's. While the idi's will never make the power that a chipped psd will, with a turbo they're definetely nothing to laugh at. I'm not sure what stock rating are for the later trucks, but I think a idi with a turbo & intercooler will rival, if not beat most of the trucks with the possible exception of the newests diesel. Not bad for a 20+ year old truck. I know that at one dyno event I went to, a turbo idi beat a couple of brand new trucks. (diesels, this was a few years ago, 05 maybe) Anyway, IMHO, the old idi's are not to be lightly dismissed, athough finding a nice one these day is getting hard. I can't argue that they'll beat a psd in making power, but for the price of a late 90's truck, you can get an idi, put a rebuilt motor & turbo on it, and have a comperable and more reliable truck. ~John

04-30-2008, 01:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
Fool Injected Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Member # 67623 Location: League City, TX Posts: 759	http://forum.tx4wd.org/viewtopic.php...er=asc&start=0 1984 with a 91 IDI diesel. Might be the best thing around. I think dude will take around $1500 for it. Last edited by Fool Injected; 04-30-2008 at 01:28 PM.

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