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Old 08-19-2009, 12:19 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Lookin killer!!! I like the way it is turning out so far.
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Old 08-19-2009, 12:27 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Lookin killer!!! I like the way it is turning out so far.
thanks

gonna work on the over the tire area tonight. going to try and clean it up some

the angle of the ramp has me wondering, but, i'm planning on taking some angle and putting a couple of ribs on there to help with traction
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how far apart are the bars in the bed?

i'd seriously consider dropping some lockable storage boxes in-between the frame rails and flush with the deck. place to put chains, straps, binders, porn, beer, , small annoying children, supplies etc.

you could make your own to fit and blend in, or maybee look at electric breaker box enclosures and see if you could drop one in.

comein out nice.
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how far apart are the bars in the bed?

i'd seriously consider dropping some lockable storage boxes in-between the frame rails and flush with the deck. place to put chains, straps, binders, porn, beer, , small annoying children, supplies etc.

you could make your own to fit and blend in, or maybee look at electric breaker box enclosures and see if you could drop one in.

comein out nice.
there is about 16" of open space between the xmembers and the frame rails are about 3' apart

considering strongly making some baskets to put in there and have the lid flush with the top and lockable.

gonna be keeping my eyes out for some lockable boxes to go under the bed also.
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very cool rig hauler............
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Old 08-20-2009, 08:10 AM   #81 (permalink)
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probably doesnt matter with a flat bed/hauler type of application, but shouldnt there be something bt the frame rails and the cross beams? Never built anything like this before, so i am sure someone can explain it, just looks a bit weird to have it right on top of the frame. good way to keep it low though, looks good..
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Old 08-20-2009, 08:23 AM   #82 (permalink)
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probably doesnt matter with a flat bed/hauler type of application, but shouldnt there be something bt the frame rails and the cross beams? Never built anything like this before, so i am sure someone can explain it, just looks a bit weird to have it right on top of the frame. good way to keep it low though, looks good..
what are you thinking of between the frame and the xmembers? a piece of rubber or another piece of steel?

the original box was set right on the angle iron (see the pics on pg 1).

I figure with it this way, i've got a fair amount of surface area to weld the xmembers to the frame/angle and with it sitting on them, it would decrease the potential bend factor.


and yes, last night i cleaned up the arches over the rear wheels and the fitment is much cleaner now
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:38 PM   #84 (permalink)
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hey now i was in crestline

you're a smart guy, whats your thoughts on my support pieces of the tire paths. (post 74)
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you can take the boy out of the VOE but you cant take the VOE out the boy

More like Chino. This looks just like something you'd find on a dairy farm.
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Old 08-20-2009, 08:05 PM   #86 (permalink)
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You got about 1 month to get that thing done Shaun, get cracking.
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Old 08-21-2009, 08:57 AM   #87 (permalink)
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a month?? hell, i'm planning on taking this to cantina in 2 weeks LOL

and Don, funny you should say that.... My dad had an 81 version of this truck... without the lenght and a flatbed for hauling his gooseneck trailer i was having flashbacks the first time i drove it, the sounds and feeling were the same as i remembered 15 years ago LOL

on to today pics... and i need some advice..

first pic is the arches finished up. not too bad, mostly straight and the same height LOL

now, for my biggest delima. the next pic shows the support piece that's 2' outside of tube to outside of tube and creates the 'wheel path' for driving the jeep up on there.

I don't know what way to put my interior support piece. which way do you guys think is going to be stronger? parallel frame or perpendicular?? the opening is 1.3' (length of frame) x 1.6' (xways to frame) so roughly square.

and obviously the support piece would be cut down to fit in the opening and not sit on top of the tubes

what say you??
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I can also bring that support piece closer to the outside edge and move it off of the angle piece to make the tire path narrower.

however, i'd like to have it some what verstile to run a different width buggy on it too if needed (mine is full width now)
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dig up your strength and materials book and do some calcs ... duh. perpendicular to the frame will be stronger, you strenght is in the bending moment. you plan on deckin the frame or leaving it open?

before welding to the frame you might want to check to see if its heat treated like semis.

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dig up your strength and materials book and do some calcs ... duh. perpendicular to the frame will be stronger, you strenght is in the bending moment. you plan on deckin the frame or leaving it open?

before welding to the frame you might want to check to see if its heat treated like semis.

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lol, yeah, i'm a surveyor, not a structrual guy!

decking the frame with some expanded metal... won't offer strenght to the system.

wasn't going to weld to the frame really, but more to the angle that was used to attach the box orginally.
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so i went and looked at some of the other pics and it makes more sense now.

if your get some bending just add some kickers to the frame and you should be good.
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I think that I like perpendicular better, but it's hard to tell just looking at the pictures. Maybe consider skinning the wheel paths in some heavier plate and use the expanded metal in the middle. Kinda like the cheap u-haul car trailers?
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so i went and looked at some of the other pics and it makes more sense now.

if your get some bending just add some kickers to the frame and you should be good.
haven't tried loading the jeep yet.

I think i'm gonna go parallel to the frame so the tires have a solid piece to ride on from point to point.

I've though about adding supports from the outside to the frame, but thought the angle would be to flat to really do much good.
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for the mounting i was thinking some kind of thin puck (1/2" maybe??) that you could sandwich between a mounting tab and the main frame channel and save your self a bunch of welding... I am no engineer just looking for simple easy ways to get it mounted and maybe provide a bit of flex or expansion/contraction capability as opposed to welding the bed directly to the main frame/channel.

I am sure someone will tell me if i am crazy
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I think that I like perpendicular better, but it's hard to tell just looking at the pictures. Maybe consider skinning the wheel paths in some heavier plate and use the expanded metal in the middle. Kinda like the cheap u-haul car trailers?
think i'm gonna try it without the solid plate for the moment, or maybe just where the tires are at when parked for now.

gotta lot to do this weekend LOL
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for the mounting i was thinking some kind of thin puck (1/2" maybe??) that you could sandwich between a mounting tab and the main frame channel and save your self a bunch of welding... I am no engineer just looking for simple easy ways to get it mounted and maybe provide a bit of flex or expansion/contraction capability as opposed to welding the bed directly to the main frame/channel.

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I've actually gone back and forth a bit on this.

I've considered using some angle and creating some 'tabs' to weld to the bed that can be welded/bolted to the frame instead.

I wasn't planning on welding every inch of every piece to the frame. had planned on some every other or alternating sides or something.

I've got to lift the bed off and weld the bottom sides first before i do anything about mounting.
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almost every box truck i have seen has 2x4s and ubolts holding it down. it will keep the frame from cracking and make it ride better.
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almost every box truck i have seen has 2x4s and ubolts holding it down. it will keep the frame from cracking and make it ride better.
this is how the box was attached to mine.



bolts thru the alum floor into the angle... angle bolted to the frame
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so, I got to thinking as i was driving around the east bay today, am i gaining anything by putting that 2x3 parallel to the frame 2' inboard of the outside??

or should i just put it closer to the outside and make the wheel tracks narrower?? possibly just putting it under where the tire should be altogether??
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truck is looking great..Have you thought of something over the wheel wells to get grippy in the rain..Like serrated catwalk.. Your wheelwells seem higher than mine and it took some throttle to get over them in the dry..Im thinking in the rain its gonna be scary..Im gonna find out in a bit when i load a friends car.
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