uhaul turn rig hauler

[surveyboy]

Originally Posted by mobil1syn

should of rolled the axle forward a few feet. im sure i missed it, but whats the plans with the trailer?

have fun on the con. its just like wheeling in big bear but longer, a little harder, and with a lake halfway through the trail to clean the dirt off.

ahh, but, if i rolled the rear axle up farther, then i'd have issues when i go to mount the 5th wheel hitch and clearance around the rear. the way it sits now, its no farther out that the truck bed... which has just enough room.

Originally Posted by crashnzuk

It looks like you'd have room for a sleeper if you load the Jeep with the rear tires behind the wheel humps on the bed. Lookin' good.
Travis..

yup, that's the ultimate idea. i can move the jeep back about 2-3 feet and would then have about 6' behind the cab for a sleeper.

[82toycrawler]

Just saw this pop up on cl and thought about this build

http://chico.craigslist.org/pts/1348121993.html

sleeper for $200

[mjlogan88]

Originally Posted by surveyboy

one more thing..

in my newer truck, everyone says to use that diesel stablizer stuff every few tanks or what ever.

is that necessary with the old 7.3 IDI's??

probably wouldnt hurt, i used to throw some in my old 6.9 every few tanks. who knows if it cared or not, but that thing ran like a top at 250k

as far as the 7.3 IDI's go, get test strips for the coolant and run the proper additives to prevent cavitation. otherwise, put an egt gage in it, put your foot to the floor, and back off when it gets up around 1200. oh yea and hope you are patient cause its gona be SLOW

[surveyboy]

Originally Posted by mjlogan88

probably wouldnt hurt, i used to throw some in my old 6.9 every few tanks. who knows if it cared or not, but that thing ran like a top at 250k

as far as the 7.3 IDI's go, get test strips for the coolant and run the proper additives to prevent cavitation. otherwise, put an egt gage in it, put your foot to the floor, and back off when it gets up around 1200. oh yea and hope you are patient cause its gona be SLOW

ment to get some from napa this weekend. gonna go back by there today and pick some up.

and yeah, i did my first somewhat distance test drive this weekend. topped out at 55 (per the speedo at least) and crusied. its gonna make the trip down to the hammers a bit longer, but, hopefully a little less stressfull.



got the rear panel done for the taillights and the backup lights.

got a tank of bad argon or something for the welder, so i couldn't really finish up the welding i needed too, but, i did throw in some flux core to at least get the mud flaps taken care of too.

[surveyboy]

and i have to say, my cadd drawing matches pretty stinking close to actual!!!

[geberhard]

Sweet! Great job on getting this project done so quick! Where did you get the led's from?

[surveyboy]

leds were from Delcity.net

the backup lights are cheepie harbor freight fog lights.

i've gotta second pair mounted to the tool box that i can switch on for light on the deck at night.

not quite 'done' yet. after the con this weekend, i've gotta move the 5th wheel hitch and wire up the plug and find a brake controler.

[yotee]

does it top out because of the govener or power issues? what is the max rpm you get? i think i remember reading the injector pumps having different rpm govs for the mdt's. i think it is 3200rpm setting for the ford pickups and 2700rpms for the mdt's.

[CDA 455]

Originally Posted by surveyboy

and i have to say, my cadd drawing matches pretty stinking close to actual!!!

Very nice!

[nightcrawlers]

lookin good!

i am alittle curious why you park the jeep with the back tires on the fenders when it looks like theres plenty of room behind?

id think youd want to park it back as far as you could to shift weight from the front to the rear axle.

[surveyboy]

Originally Posted by nightcrawlers

lookin good!

i am alittle curious why you park the jeep with the back tires on the fenders when it looks like theres plenty of room behind?

id think youd want to park it back as far as you could to shift weight from the front to the rear axle.

cause i don't know any better

I'm hoping to get it weighed soon with the jeep on there and i'll play around with the placement and even the direction of the rig up there.

when i load it up on thursday, i'll leave the rear on the flat behind the fenders and see how it feels.

[surveyboy]

well, supposed to hit dmv today to get them to do the vehical check. hope it goes well LOL

my next major project on this thing is going to figure out how to make it faster LOL

[rock jeep]

So what was the verdict on the top speed? Lack of power? Governor? Gearing?

[MT4Runner]

Originally Posted by surveyboy

when i load it up on thursday, i'll leave the rear on the flat behind the fenders and see how it feels.

I doubt you'll notice much difference in how it feels. With that long wheelbase, even if you load the Jeep backwards with the motor over the back axle, you won't feel much difference. Only difference I can feel in my rig, loaded vs. empty is acceleration...very little difference in handling/steering/stopping.

Originally Posted by rock jeep

So what was the verdict on the top speed? Lack of power? Governor? Gearing?

Part of it is lack of power--you can turn up the fuel pump
Add a Pyrometer so you can watch your EGT's.

I don't think the 7.3IDI S1600 is governed?

Gearing is some of it. It has a 4.33 rearend, and only a 5-speed Spicer tranny...and 1st is granny low, so you really only have 4 speeds.

I was running mine (almost) empty this past weekend with camping gear and a raft, but nothing of any weight. I topped out at about 68mph on the interstate, and it got there pretty quickly without the weight in back. It's not quick like a pickup truck, but I have to remind myself that it's 1000x better than the 400/T350 Class C motorhome I had before it that had 3 speeds and topped out at 45mph!

[surveyboy]

Originally Posted by rock jeep

So what was the verdict on the top speed? Lack of power? Governor? Gearing?

pleanty of power getting thru the gears. rips through the gears quickly.

however, having the spedo stop at 55 kinda sucks

gonna hit a couple of mountains this week i think that the gearing will let me climb well.

Originally Posted by MT4Runner

I doubt you'll notice much difference in how it feels. With that long wheelbase, even if you load the Jeep backwards with the motor over the back axle, you won't feel much difference. Only difference I can feel in my rig, loaded vs. empty is acceleration...very little difference in handling/steering/stopping.

true, the truck road better with the rig, but, really didn't even notice much performace change at all

Part of it is lack of power--you can turn up the fuel pump
Add a Pyrometer so you can watch your EGT's.

please let me know where i can read up on turning up the fuel pump please, and yeah, i'll get a pryro to, that can just go in the exhaust near the manifold almost anywhere right?

I don't think the 7.3IDI S1600 is governed?

Gearing is some of it. It has a 4.33 rearend, and only a 5-speed Spicer tranny...and 1st is granny low, so you really only have 4 speeds.

since i haven't gotten a tach yet, i don't know what rpm's i'm running. whats the final gear ratio on the 5 speed?

I was running mine (almost) empty this past weekend with camping gear and a raft, but nothing of any weight. I topped out at about 68mph on the interstate, and it got there pretty quickly without the weight in back. It's not quick like a pickup truck, but I have to remind myself that it's 1000x better than the 400/T350 Class C motorhome I had before it that had 3 speeds and topped out at 45mph!

i'm getting used to it. the first time i think it'll hit me is when i'm hitting a long climb and i'm not having to worry about the turbo overheating my stock truck.

[welndmn]

Is this thing going to drive up Ice House rd?
If so, I need to be on the road before it J/K
I think it's turned out great.

[surveyboy]

Originally Posted by welndmn

Is this thing going to drive up Ice House rd?
If so, I need to be on the road before it J/K
I think it's turned out great.

hey well done man


I sure as hell hope its able to climb icehouse rd!!

I may be in granny low, but, it should make it up!!!


and thanks

just need to paint it. and get the hitch mounted next week for my trip to the hammers

[MT4Runner]

Originally Posted by surveyboy

please let me know where i can read up on turning up the fuel pump please, and yeah, i'll get a pryro to, that can just go in the exhaust near the manifold almost anywhere right?

I saw it in one of the diesel forums. Search on 7.3 IDI.

As far as I know.

Your local friendly diesel shop should be able to tell you where to mount the pyrometer...I'll let you know if I get one installed first.

Here's the spec sheet I copied from Snookwheels' build thread:

3 FRONT AXLES 0002101 0002101 AXLE, FRONT NON-DRIVING {Spicer I-75} 7,500-lb Capacity

4 FRONT SUSPENSIONS 0003AAD 0003AAD SPRINGS, FRONT Parabolic, 8,000-lb Capacity

5 REAR AXLES, SUSPENSIONS 0003SAA 0003SAA SUSPENSION, REAR, AIR, SINGLE {International} 17,500-lb Capacity, 3.6" Ride Height, With Air Reservoir, Dump Control and Shock Absorbers, Use With Hydraulic Brakes

6 BRAKES 0004RMA 0004RMA AIR COMPRESSOR {Midland EL-850} Use with Air-Suspension and with Hydraulic Brakes

7 BRAKES 0004040 0004040 BRAKE SYSTEM, HYDRAULIC {Bosch Hydro-Max II} Split System, with Automatic Adjustment

8 BRAKES 0004144 0004144 BRAKES, FRONT, HYDRAULIC DISC {Bosch} 15.00" x 1.44" Rotors; Dual 2.60" Diam. Pistons

9 BRAKES 0004237 0004237 BRAKES, REAR, HYDRAULIC DISC {Bosch} 15.00" x 1.44" Rotors; Dual 2.60" Diam. Pistons

10 BRAKES 0004519 0004519 BRAKE, PARKING {Bosch} DDM Type, 9" x 3"


31 CLUTCH 0011266 0011266 CLUTCH {Eaton Fuller AR-350MM} Single Plate, Angle Ring; Ceramic, 14" (350mm) Diameter, Push-Type Control, 520 lb-ft Torque Capacity

36 TRANSMISSION 0013245 0013245 TRANSMISSION, MANUAL {Spicer ES42-5A} 5-Speed Manual

37 REAR AXLES, SUSPENSIONS 0014029 0014029 AXLE, REAR, SINGLE {Spicer F155-S} Single Reduction 15,500-lb Capacity, With 170 Wheel Ends

38 FUEL TANKS 0015SAB 0015SAB FUEL TANK Rectangular, Steel, 51 U.S. Gal., 42 Imp. Gal., 193 L Capacity (RT); With Center Step, Chained Cap and Anti-Siphon. Raised 1.0"

48 WHEELS, TIRES - FRONT 0027DNA 0027DNA WHEELS, FRONT DISC; 19.5" Painted Steel, 4 Hand Hole, 8-Stud (275 MM BC) Hub Piloted, Flanged Nut, Metric Mount, 6.75 DC Rims; With Steel Hubs

49 WHEELS, TIRES - REAR 0028DNA 0028DNA WHEELS, REAR DUAL DISC; 19.5" Painted Steel, 4 Hand Hole, 8-Stud (275 MM BC) Hub Piloted, Flanged Nut, Metric Mount, 6.75 DC Rims; With Steel Hubs

61 TRANSMISSION 0813WAH 0813WAH TRANSMISSION SHIFT LEVER Revised to Accommodate Third Passenger

62 MISC 0814WAC 0814WAC AXLE, REAR, SPECIAL TRIMMED {Spicer CODE 14029} Rear Axle Completely Trimmed For U-Haul Chassis.

As for your final drive ratio....5th looks to be 1:1. Here's an awesome cut sheet on our trannies:

http://www.rsgear.com/articles/1995_05.pdf

1st - 7.22
2nd - 3.88
3rd - 2.21
4th - 1.42
5th - 1.00
R - 7.22

I'm still surprised you're taching out at 55mph...I'm getting 65mph pretty reasonably on flat ground.

[aloharover]

Can you add the turbo or other parts from the ford PSD to these engines?

[aloharover]

Originally Posted by surveyboy

i'll get a pryro to, that can just go in the exhaust near the manifold almost anywhere right?

As close to the manifold as you can get it typically. Since its not a turbo no worries about having to take stuff apart to prevent metal chips from entering the impellers.

[BurnedBronco]

Originally Posted by aloharover

Can you add the turbo or other parts from the ford PSD to these engines?

not a powerstroke.
totally different engine.
you can add a banks turbo kit, or a factory 93-94 ford turbo to it.
you will need to turn up the pump to adjust fueling, and need a pyro so you dont melt it down on long hills, as it weighs so much more than a pickup.
it will help a TON.
my international has a 250 horse dt466 so, mine doesnt really need much power mods.

[gte719p]

There is a turbo for the IDI, it helps a ton. Theey are gettting hard to come by though. ATS stopped making them. Though Bajabomber87 is selling one in the classified section.

[surveyboy]

Originally Posted by MT4Runner

I saw it in one of the diesel forums. Search on 7.3 IDI.

As far as I know.

Your local friendly diesel shop should be able to tell you where to mount the pyrometer...I'll let you know if I get one installed first.

Here's the spec sheet I copied from Snookwheels' build thread:


As for your final drive ratio....5th looks to be 1:1. Here's an awesome cut sheet on our trannies:

http://www.rsgear.com/articles/1995_05.pdf

1st - 7.22
2nd - 3.88
3rd - 2.21
4th - 1.42
5th - 1.00
R - 7.22

I'm still surprised you're taching out at 55mph...I'm getting 65mph pretty reasonably on flat ground.

rockin.

other thing i'm trying to figure out is where/how the fawk to mount a tach in the thing?

I know on gas engines how to, but, since these don't have a igntion coil to come off of, i'm not sure at all where to hook one up at.

and i'm hoping that my speedos just off. i'm gonna have my handheld gps with me on my trip to check it.... but, i get passed alot going down the highway... i'm pretty sure its only going 55

[guidolyons]

Originally Posted by surveyboy

rockin.

other thing i'm trying to figure out is where/how the fawk to mount a tach in the thing?

I know on gas engines how to, but, since these don't have a igntion coil to come off of, i'm not sure at all where to hook one up at.

and i'm hoping that my speedos just off. i'm gonna have my handheld gps with me on my trip to check it.... but, i get passed alot going down the highway... i'm pretty sure its only going 55

Looks pretty good so far. Have a good trip this weekend.

They make diesel tachometers that take reference signal from the alternator. search Summit racing, even West Marine carries them.

[mjlogan88]

heres the article i used to turn the pump up on my 6.9
http://www.members.shaw.ca/k2pilot/I...%20article.htm

definitely get a pyro though. i could get mine up to 1300 on a short onramp if i wasnt paying attention. drill and tap the thermocouple right into the exhaust manifold.

for a tach, i'd say grab one out of a '83-86 truck. the sending unit goes bolts into the IP timing gear cover and it is 2 wires that run to the instrument cluster. you could cut the tach itself out of the gage cluster. cruise around the junkyards and you are bound to find one

and yeah i've heard the IH truck IDI's are governed lower than the ford pickup IDI's. You could grab a IP calibrated for a pickup to gain some rpm's.

IDI's are awesome motors, most reliable thing i've ever owned