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Old 08-25-2009, 03:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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5th wheel to bumper pull adapter??

I have a GN trailer, that I tow with my pickup, but I want to tow it long distance's with my motor home (tag style hitch) is there anyway of converting it, and swithching it back & forth???
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I've seen adapters on farm type trucks, but I don't know how good they are for long high speed hauls.. I know there was a contraption out there with wheels on it to do exactly what you're talking about, but I think you could buy a bumper pull trailer for what it cost. There was a thread on it in this forum a while back.

Are you sure your MH is rated to tow the weight you're talking about?

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$5k+ for a "Tow Buddy" seems like a good reason to buy a different trailer.

http://towingdiversity.com/id2.html
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$5k+ for a "Tow Buddy" seems like a good reason to buy a different trailer.

http://towingdiversity.com/id2.html
What's a regular used single axle (jeep) converter worth?

Pretend you could bypass the brakes and the pins/plates were the same size;
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What's a regular used single axle (jeep) converter worth?

Pretend you could bypass the brakes and the pins/plates were the same size;
$1k or under, a 2" kingpin is pretty standard but a single axle "A" converter dolly is going to weigh in at or above 2500#'s.
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I built two miniature versions of a semi-truck converter dolly over the years for customers.

One was for a guy who wanted to pull a 3 horse slant trailer behind his diesel pusher motorhome (borrowed from a family member). I built the frame out of mainly 3x5 structual channel and installed a 7000 lb brake axle and set it up with an adjustable height 2-5/16 coupler. Decked it out with two aluminum diamond plate skins to cover up all the ugly plus a toolbox and aluminum rims that matched the trailer

The other was for a guy who delivered new trailers from the factory to dealers who was hauling a pair of gooseneck stock trailers at once. Used the same basic design but lightened it up a bit and the trailers were new and always empty. Used a 5200 lb brake axle on this one and it was pretty well basic as could be

Needless to say I didn't charge 5 grand like that tow buddy deal somebody posted a pic of but it neither of them was much more than a bumper pull trailer and store alot easier than an extra trailer in your driveway. If you have the means to fabricate one yourself, you'd be even better off as you wouldn't be paying the labor and overhead to have a fabricator build you one
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Whats the legality of one of those things? Would it count as pulling doubles?

Since there is no pivot between that thing and the tow rig, even with the 3 point mounting that they mention on the site, I have a hard time believing it wouldn't bend your hitch up and scrub the tread off the tires really quickly. I can't imagine trying to make tight turns or even back up and maneuver a trailer like mine that has 2klbs of pin weight while trying to slide those tires around that far behind my truck,
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Whats the legality of one of those things? Would it count as pulling doubles?

Since there is no pivot between that thing and the tow rig, even with the 3 point mounting that they mention on the site, I have a hard time believing it wouldn't bend your hitch up and scrub the tread off the tires really quickly. I can't imagine trying to make tight turns or even back up and maneuver a trailer like mine that has 2klbs of pin weight while trying to slide those tires around that far behind my truck,

The tires turn. Ever see a cement truck with a booster axle? Same thing but different.

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The tires turn. Ever see a cement truck with a booster axle? Same thing but different.
Actually I was wondering about that, but reading reviews elsewhere online says the wheels do not turn

And how do those booster axles work anyway? if they have some kinda caster angle to make them track while going foreward do they still work when backing up?
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Actually I was wondering about that, but reading reviews elsewhere online says the wheels do not turn

And how do those booster axles work anyway? if they have some kinda caster angle to make them track while going foreward do they still work when backing up?
spring assist on the steering to return them to center. the weight on them with the truck turning overpowers the springs though.......... hence they turn with the truck.
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The Tow Buddy never used to caster the wheels and they tried to justify it by showing wide spaced tandems on some flat deck semi trailers. I thought it was a poor excuse. Back when I was cruising their site long ago they were talking about releasing a castering version though.
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A picture is the easiest way to explain, most newer self steering axles have a lock out on the steering mechanism and/or lift up when the vehicle is in reverse. Up here self steering lift axles are becoming more common due to the SPIF regulations coming into effect in Quebec and Ontario:

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I have seen a goose to bumper pull adapter...let me see if i can find some pics
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ok, i couldnt find anything on google. It was a dump style trailer...but same concept. I do not remember if it was a pintle style or regular hitch hook up, but that shouldnt matter.

Here is my professional artist rendering. Red = trailer, Green = adapter that I cannot seem to find on the interwebs.
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I have a GN trailer, that I tow with my pickup, but I want to tow it long distance's with my motor home (tag style hitch) is there anyway of converting it, and swithching it back & forth???
Your title says 5th wheel, but your post says gooseneck. Which is it?
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I think this pic came out of the big dumb load thread;

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[Gooseneck... I typed it wrong..

QUOTE=Motornoggin;10246061]Your title says 5th wheel, but your post says gooseneck. Which is it?[/QUOTE]
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I think this pic came out of the big dumb load thread;


pssssht! who needs to back up?!
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Here is my professional artist rendering. Red = trailer, Green = adapter that I cannot seem to find on the interwebs.
you could prolly fab somethin up like your pic,but i question wether its a good idea... i gooseneck has the axles further rearward than your typical bumper pull and has alot more tongue weight.

even with a WD hitch youd need to load stuff further back than normal and id think youd need to beef the hell out of the motor home frame/hitch.
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pssssht! who needs to back up?!
It is not like it is an impossible task, there are literally millions of trailer combination's out there with 2 or more points of articulation that are successfully backed up on a daily basis.
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pssssht! who needs to back up?!
you can back one of these up...it just takes a little more thought to do it. I've built two of these over the years for people although the tongue on this one is a bit longer than the ones I built



If I can back this up, anyone proficient at towing can back up single trailer with a converter dolly
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Truck drivers, farmers. Search youtube for backing doubles, and backing triples.

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