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Old 04-27-2010, 08:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Air bag vs Timbren

I am getting a Lance model 825 camper and I'm not sure if I'll even need any sort of helper but my RV dealer swears by Timbrens. http://www.timbren.com/ I'd never heard of them before. Are they better than air bags?
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airbags would give you more options
different psi for different loads like the camper and then camper plus trailer
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:58 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Another vote for bags!
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:03 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I've got some airbags on my F250, and a set of Timbrens on my wife's 4Runner. I like the Timbrens on the 4Runner because it only hauled one thing - the boat. Didn't necessarily need to make adjustements. I like the bags on the truck because you can adjust depending on what you've got. For you, I would put bags on the truck so that you can add pressure in case you want to pull a trailer, etc.
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I'd never heard of them before. Are they better than air bags?
side note: people use them as bumpstops too
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:52 PM   #6 (permalink)
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timbren: cheaper, simple, reliable,

air bags: more parts, more wires, more plumbing, more adjustable,
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The timbrens are not adjustable like the bags but they are progressive. I have had mine for while now and I have been happy with them, Ive had 100 to probably about 3000Lb. on them and they have handled everything nicely. I like the fact that they are always ready to go, but opinions on them seem to vary from a vehicle specific stand point.
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Well Paul, you've seen what I haul with my Firestone Bags and they've done me well. I really like the adjustability of them, and I went with the dual gauge in cab adjustment so I can adjust each bag seperate and on the fly as load dictates or road conditions...

I had absolutely zero issues with mine till KOH this year, I'm pretty sure I hyper extended it like 10 times gettng to where we were camped. Now I have one leaking out the threads in the bottom mounting bolt and I haven't looked at it since. Did TDS and Jambo with a slow leak, but the in-cab controls make it a snap to air back up every 100 miles or so till I can fix it

I'll likely put bags on every tow rig I own from here on out.


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Another vote for the Timbrens, been thousands of miles in my f250 towing 25k and handles and feels like stock. They are to cheap not to try atleast.
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I have timbrens also on a 02 f250. I like the bolt on and go. I haul a 34ft gooseneck carhauler, 18ft tag , and 32ft travel trailer camper. I'll put them on my next truck if I can wear this one out.
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I love my timbrens for towing heavy. F-250 with a 20ft 12k enclosed, or a equipment trailer 17-18k total trailer wieght. empty you dont even notice they are there. The only part that sux is really small stuff. 400-500 lbs in the bed put the truck almost on the timbrens. Makes the big bumps a little jaring. In my case its a daily driver, weekend buggy hauler. So they are great for me. Simple and gets the job done
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I have a 2500HD GMC and just put a set of 3500 overloads on. Went to the junk yard and found a set of 3500 springs, took them apart and put the overloads that sit on top of the pack on the top of my 2500HD pack. Also, got the overload bump stops from the yard and everything bolted right up. I like it alot, firmer than they were but not as stiff as my dads 3500 dually.
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Picked it up this afternoon. It actually sits quite nicely. Of course the water tank is empty so the stance will likely change. Right now it is just kissing the back of the overloads. I'll definitely need something when I start to pull a trailer.

Took it to the highway scale tonight and here is what the weights look like (truck and camper only, no people):

Loaded:
front 2230kg/4916 lb
rear 2500kg/5511 lb
total 4730kg/10428 lb

Empty:
front 2250 kg/4960 lb
rear 1460 kg/3218 lb
total 3710 kg/8179 lb

FYI: 2010 F350 with 5600 lb front GAWR, 6900 lb rear GAWR, 11400 GVWR.

It's funny but the unloaded rear axle weight of the truck is 350 lbs more than my entire Mustang.
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Nice camper Paul!

I run airbags as well.
The bonus with the air bags is it made me install an air compressor on the truck.
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timbren: cheaper, simple, reliable,

air bags: more parts, more wires, more plumbing, more adjustable,
I love my Timbrens, (I won them on here) never used Airbags but I''m sure they are awesome too.
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I have liked Timbrens for their simplicity and price. They work very well. (I have themon my Chevy 2500 (rear) and my Dodge (front), probably will end up with them on all 4 corners of both at some point). Air bags have some nice features but require user input, and I already spend too much time prepping for a trip, so I like to have less.

The in-cab setup is nice but a little spendy and has a lot more parts/potential for problems. I have been keeping the electronics stock on my Chevy for reliability.
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I think that most of the people on here that are recommending Timbrens are towing something. You are not towing, you are hauling in your bed. I really thing the bags are the way to go. Yes tongue weight affects the back of your truck, but not like an entire camper in the bed does. I think the bags are going to offer you more capacity and adjustability, something that would be better for an in-bed camper.

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Timbrens-for towing/pulling stuff

Bags-for hauling raw weight in bed

just my $.02; I have bags as I put 3-5k lbs of landscape material in my bed regularly
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Paul should also be towing a rig every so often, so the adjustably of the air bags IMO would be better.
I use my camper and town the bronco.
This means I can use different pressures for when I have the trailer on or not.
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No, I'm not towing in that picture of my truck at the RV dealer mere minutes after picking up the camper. I will be towing my Explorer.

I also use this truck for work and often travel on gravel roads, oilfield service roads, forestry roads, ice roads and other generally rough conditions so ride quality and suspension travel when empty is important too. The truck rides rough enough as it is (but still a thousand times smoother than my old F250 did), I don't want whatever helper I get to break my back.
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I would totally disagree with 360 fish. Timbrens are most noticable (and helpful) in my truck with a load in the bed or heavy tongue weight.

I don't think either will hurt your empty ride, however you will have to air down the bags.

I think it comes down to your preference. Do you want to fine tune and get the load capacity just right all the time, or do you a prefer a solution that doesn't require any user input and will be adequate, but likely not perfect.

When I am web hauling I feel a need for airbags, but when I am actually working my truck, I don't have any complaints with the Timbrens.
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never run timbrens but have bags in our 3/4 ton. love them. we have a compressor under the hood and we run them empty till its time for a load. i wouldnt be without them. tho timbrens would be sweet for the front during plow season
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I think that most of the people on here that are recommending Timbrens are towing something. You are not towing, you are hauling in your bed. I really thing the bags are the way to go. Yes tongue weight affects the back of your truck, but not like an entire camper in the bed does. I think the bags are going to offer you more capacity and adjustability, something that would be better for an in-bed camper.

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Timbrens-for towing/pulling stuff

Bags-for hauling raw weight in bed

just my $.02; I have bags as I put 3-5k lbs of landscape material in my bed regularly
Id like to see a pic of 3-5k lbs of landscape material in your bed? I mean really 5k lbs is your pinestraw made of concrete?
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Id like to see a pic of 3-5k lbs of landscape material in your bed? I mean really 5k lbs is your pinestraw made of concrete?
Seriously? you felt the need to comment on that? Lanscape material can also be packed dirt, concrete pavers, rocks, or any number of other things...
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Id like to see a pic of 3-5k lbs of landscape material in your bed? I mean really 5k lbs is your pinestraw made of concrete?

Thanks for the backup eskimo, but I got this one


Who the fuck are you?

This is 1-yard of topsoil with no air in my bags. Do you need me to take another one on monday when I get the 2-tons of screenings for the patio I'm laying as well? Go fuck yourself; unless you were kidding in which you are simply stupid.

EDIT: and here's a link to something citing the approximate weight of a yard of topsoil, I would be happy to show you the receipt from the 2 yards I picked up last wed which would be in the 4-5k range. so again
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Ramv-touche, I do like the idea of not having to mess with anything, I've never used Timbrens so I'd say since they are cheap enough he should probably try those first and see if he is satisfied, then go from there.
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