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Old 08-04-2010, 01:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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FI 460 or 351W?

So I have a dilemma. I'm pretty set on buying a tow rig this week and I need some pros/cons with going with a 460 or 351W. The options:

1989 F250 extended cab F250 long-bed, 351W 102k miles. Sat for some time not running, ran today with some new gas but sounds like it needs a bit of a tune. Owned by a friend/acquaintance.

1996 F250 standard cab long bed 460FI. 79k miles. Got some lift, two sets of tires (looks like 35" STT's for summer on 18" wheels, and some 16" snow tires of unknown size) and I don't know the guy. Haven't seen it yet, but will be calling tomorrow to have a look.

What are good prices for either of these, given a slight AK premium for 4x4?

I'm looking to be pulling a trailer with upwards of 3 cords of wood, maybe two and a 1/4-1/2 cord in the bed (birch and spruce, not too heavy) at a time, otherwise it'll be driven on a monthly 110 mile one-way commute to work. Not too concerned about fuel economy but it can tip the scales one way or another. Will I be hating life hauling that much wood behind a 351W with a C6? Will a 460 make THAT much of a difference?

It'll also probably pull the Jeep when it's built as well but that's a given.

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Old 08-04-2010, 02:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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i can't offer much except a limited experience with a 95ish reg cab long bed f350 4x4 w/the 351..my dad had it briefly and it was a dog, an under powered dog... it had low mileage and was in perfect shape, never abused and he hated it quickly, especially with a plow on it..didnt take long to ditch it and get a v10 for th ework truck... personally for the job you describe i'd rather the newer truck with the low,miles and the big engine, wins in every category except the reg cab vs. standard cab. unless the 351 is free or damn near free i wouldnt bother with it personally
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:13 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The extended cab would be nice but if it isn't a must I think the 96' would be the way to go. I've never owned a 351 but I did have a 93' F-250 460 and it got better mileage than my 1/2 ton dodge with a 360.
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With the 351 having a C6 behind it and the 460 will more than likely have the EAOD (or whatever concoction of alphanumerics) the 460 may be on par mileage wise having overdrive.

I would choose the 460 as I wanted the extra power towing, but I ended up with a diesel.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:14 AM   #5 (permalink)
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of those two the 96 hands down. the 351 is fine for a half ton but it's not enough engine for towing big stuff really. and the 96 should have an E4OD or a ZF5. but have overdrive.

depending on condition the 89 is worth about 1500 and 2500+ for the 96?
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:29 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Go with the newer one if only for the newer interior. The 460 will perform much, much better than the 351, which doesnt do that bad of a job to start with.
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i would also go with the 96 model. That 460efi will get you to where you need to go. The e40d in the truck has all the latest updates from Ford at that time. You shouldn't have any problems with it.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:33 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Ah, I hadn't thought of the E4OD...well that's definitely at the top of the list now. Thanks guys. I'll give the guy a call shortly and see what deal I can pull down. He wants 5500 but I think I can talk him down to 3k or less.
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While I too would go with the 460 for the extra power/torque, the 351W isn't necessarily a slouch.

A friend of mine pulls about a 22-24 foot fifth wheel camper with his '95 F-250 4x4 standard cab with a 351W. It doesn't win any drag races, but with that camper loaded down for a long weekend, it does alright. He's able to maintain speed if he wants to, but he drives slow anyway.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:57 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Well the guy with the 460 doesn't seem to want to answer his messages. I'll wait another month and see if something comes down the pipe by then.
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go for a 460. throw some doug thorley headers on there and not much else.

My old 96 460 went 200k before i pulled it out and put a cummins in the guy i sold it to did nothing to it and it is still going today at 320k miles.

What i will say about the 460 is i had the automatic i changed to a zf 5 speed BEST mod was the headers second best was the 5 speed. i also made a bronco 33 gallon tank in place of the rear tank also a very helpful feature. 51-53 gallons vs 37 sure comes in handy thats another 100-120 miles when you are towing....
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460, hand down.

They are fantastic tow rig motors.

Just dont expect to pass many fuel stations.


My dad has one in his '89 F250 with the old "banks power pack" on it. Intake, headers, exhaust, shift kit, etc....

I think it tows better than my near stock '96 Powerstroke, but it is 2x as thirsty.

Towing a 12k camper trailer all over the PNW he averages 6-8 mpg.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:24 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Like I said, mileage isn't the biggest concern for me. I get paid $.50/mile travel expense to and from work, which should more than make up for the gas spent. As long as I can make it 80 miles in mountains without filling, half of that unloaded, I should be fine.

Since the majority claims that the 351 is a stone's throw from a dog with any significant trailer load, I'll pass on that and hold out for a 460 or maybe a diesel if one comes up.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:45 PM   #14 (permalink)
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So my boss just bought a 95 460 with E4OD, headers and shift kit for work. I have officially sworn off the V10 F250 I've been primarily using, and I'll be driving this from now on. I saw it on CL 2 weeks ago and he showed up with it 3 days ago...I knew immediately it was the one I was eyeballing. he also bought a 7.3 6 speed extended cab, but it feels like a dog in comparison.

lots of them on CL in Anchorage...I think I'll have to head down there one of these days and do some shopping around.

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