Chevy vs Ford

[Cat118!]

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/11...e-rockies.html

[LCOwner]

Link doesn't work newb.

[Cat118!]

oops try now

[LCOwner]

an astonishing 400 hp and 800 pounds-feet, eclipsing GM’s 6.6-liter Duramax V-8 rating of 397 hp and 765 pounds-feet. We didn't test the re-rated Ford trucks because they weren’t available at test time

Disqualifies the test in the second paragraph by using old and irrelevant information

[silveranger93]

Originally Posted by LCOwner

Disqualifies the test in the second paragraph by using old and irrelevant information

If you read a few more paragraphs you'll learn that was the first test and was the reason for the second test which the article was about.

[OttawaXJ]

Originally Posted by LCOwner

Disqualifies the test in the second paragraph by using old and irrelevant information

Agreed.

And in my opinion with where we are as far as technology goes both trucks are very similar and I'd own either one to be honest. 54 grand is a bit much for a tow vehicle that I couldnt DD though. But thats because I live in the city with a lot of tight streets and such, if I were out in the country more I sure as hell wouldnt own a car and a tow vehicle, it would just be one of these monsters.

[#rawkon]

Didnt we just cover this about 2 months ago? For every test you can find 3 that contradict it. I call BS to these . they always find a way to make one have an edge.

[Panthers65]

yawn, you're not going to find a load a F350 can pull that a 3500 can't. Warranty, personal preference, and MPG's are about all that concerns me

[CSP]

Originally Posted by #rawkon

Didnt we just cover this about 2 months ago?

Yes we did. Cat118 must really like this "test" as she (yes, a she) posted it on the Colorado4x4 board this morning as well. Not sure what reaction she's trying to get here that might be surprising.

[Cat118!]

Not looking for reaction but what people think....i thought was interesting so I passed on.
Didn't know posting on different forum meant anything else

[OttawaXJ]

Originally Posted by Cat118!

Not looking for reaction but what people think....i thought was interesting so I passed on.
Didn't know posting on different forum meant anything else

pirate is a little different than other boards, its passive aggressive at best and blatantly aggressive at worst. You'll get used to it.

[neo71665]

Originally Posted by CSP

as she (yes, a she)

Pics or it never happened

[jonzer12]

I just read the 2010 truck shootout on that site.
Looking at the 16 degree hill climb pulling a 10k trailer did anyone else notice that the 6.2 gas F-250 out performed the Dodge 2500 diesel?
Pretty impressive.

[SparkyHarley]

Originally Posted by Panthers65

yawn, you're not going to find a load a F350 can pull that a 3500 can't. Warranty, personal preference, and MPG's are about all that concerns me

this

[montecarlo31]

Originally Posted by jonzer12

I just read the 2010 truck shootout on that site.
Looking at the 16 degree hill climb pulling a 10k trailer did anyone else notice that the 6.2 gas F-250 out performed the Dodge 2500 diesel?
Pretty impressive.

Call me in 250K miles when you have done nothing but oil changes and fuel filters in the dodge and you've worn out 2 6.2s. Also note it's .1 seconds, probably the time the dodge spent lighting up the rear wheels.

What makes me wonder is the low MPH of the CTD. Could it have gone into regen?

[Joey D]

Originally Posted by montecarlo31

Call me in 250K miles when you have done nothing but oil changes and fuel filters in the dodge and you've worn out 2 6.2s. Also note it's .1 seconds, probably the time the dodge spent lighting up the rear wheels.

What makes me wonder is the low MPH of the CTD. Could it have gone into regen?

With particle filters, egr system, injectors going bad it's not
unreasonable to think most new diesels will see a shop
before 250k miles for work.
Gas engines are getting cleaner and longer lasting than years
ago

[#rawkon]

Originally Posted by montecarlo31

Call me in 250K miles when you have done nothing but oil changes and fuel filters in the dodge and you've worn out 2 6.2s. Also note it's .1 seconds, probably the time the dodge spent lighting up the rear wheels.

Yeah, your right all diesels are so cehap to maintian. Injection pumps never fail and heads neve need an expensive stud kit to keep them from blowing more head gaskets.

They coast just as much if not more then a gasser, so you cant try that crap.

[jonzer12]

wrong thread!

[sniper_101]

Read this a while ago, still find it a bit biased that Chev bought both trucks, but also they did find the weak spot of the 6.7 at altitude.

Would still choose the Ford though, not just because I'm a Ford guy, but I stand by the fact of the beefy SFA and suspension of the Superduty will hold together far longer than the GM.

"Call me in 250K miles when you have done nothing but oil changes and fuel filters in the dodge and you've worn out 2 6.2s."

The 6.2 has barely been on the road for a few months now, and you already seem know they're bad? Please, tell us all something about the weak designs of this engine we and all the Ford designers missed in R&D . . . I'll bet most of the big three's gas-job engine options last longer/are more reliable than any of the deisels options.

This coming from a huge diesel fan.

[dodgedog03]

Originally Posted by sniper_101

Read this a while ago, still find it a bit biased that Chev bought both trucks, but also they did find the weak spot of the 6.7 at altitude.

Would still choose the Ford though, not just because I'm a Ford guy, but I stand by the fact of the beefy SFA and suspension of the Superduty will hold together far longer than the GM.

"Call me in 250K miles when you have done nothing but oil changes and fuel filters in the dodge and you've worn out 2 6.2s."

The 6.2 has barely been on the road for a few months now, and you already seem know they're bad? Please, tell us all something about the weak designs of this engine we and all the Ford designers missed in R&D . . . I'll bet most of the big three's gas-job engine options last longer/are more reliable than any of the deisels options.

This coming from a huge diesel fan.

more reliable... maybe. last longer? no

[mason44]

PM jokemon, he's the resident expert, I hear he has insider info

[sniper_101]

Originally Posted by dodgedog03

more reliable... maybe. last longer? no

Hah, well if you park the Chevy in a garage all it's life and never use it, yes, you're correct.

Ever wonder why you never/hardly see any Chevy's in the oil patches, mining, farms in the North, or a vast majority of fleet trucks? . . . .it's not just coincidence I'll tell ya that.

Just because the commercials say "Same Allison transmission used in the M1 tank.", does not make the truck a tank, just FYI.

PS - I've got nothing against GM/Duramax's, I just know they won't hold together as long as the Ford (and Dodge's) if they're actually used as a truck.

[bweezy]

do we really need to have this conversation again...this is the same as the "chevy whoops on ford" thread a month or so ago.

[jeepman1320]

Originally Posted by sniper_101

Hah, well if you park the Chevy in a garage all it's life and never use it, yes, you're correct.

Ever wonder why you never/hardly see any Chevy's in the oil patches, mining, farms in the North, or a vast majority of fleet trucks? . . . .it's not just coincidence I'll tell ya that.

Just because the commercials say "Same Allison transmission used in the M1 tank.", does not make the truck a tank, just FYI.

PS - I've got nothing against GM/Duramax's, I just know they won't hold together as long as the Ford (and Dodge's) if they're actually used as a truck.

Where is your proof that they will not hold up to long term abuse? 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks in todays world are pretty much equivalent to each other. You don't see them in oil patches, mining, and farms due to other reasons... mainly cost. GM's are typically more expensive upon initial purchase than Fords or Dodges. Down here in Texas there are a few MAJOR players in the oil industry who are replacing their Fords with Chevrolet. Mainly because of them having alot of longevity problems with new generation Fords and because the Fords are typically down longer when something does break. the 6.0 was a turd, the 6.4 was a turd, and I am gonna bet the 6.7 will be the same way. IMHO, Ford has not had a decent diesel since the 7.3. Only time will tell, but regardless Ford lovers will still drive Ford and Chevy lovers with still drive Chevy. It will also be the same ole thing, Ford lovers with argue their dicks are bigger and Chevy lovers with argue their dicks are bigger... this will never change.

[hadfield4wd]

Ford have better fleet programs as well. I know because I used to manage one. It didn't have anything to do with reliability, just cost. This is also how I believe Ford can say the F150 is the best selling truck. I want to see those sales statistics to private owners, not just as fleet trucks. It still may be true I just am curious.