New FJ requirements for Rubicon trail - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

badlinestu · 06-03-2007, 08:15 AM

My buddy wants to do the Rubicon trail with a bunch of us Jeep guys and he has a very capable new FJ with rear locker and front traction control and i think 2 inch lift with 31"s . What does he need as far as upgrades and spares to really enjoy the Rubicon trail. I ask here cause we don't have anything to help repair his FJ on the trail with us.
And he is not afraid of body damage !!!

greenfox · 06-03-2007, 08:56 AM

You may need to bring a spare rear third member.

RocKrawler · 06-03-2007, 09:08 AM

He will NEED new lower rear control links - and I'd recommend some good aftermarket skid plates for protection & better clearance. All Pro has both to fit the FJ.

Comparison between stock & All Pro link

Here you can see the difference in size & how easily the stock ones bend

kibblerange · 06-03-2007, 11:24 PM

Wouldn't the warranty cover all the stuff he could possibly break?
Or am I totally off?

woooody · 06-03-2007, 11:47 PM

For TLCA's Rubithon, we require 33's as a minimum. Also consider All Pro sliders. And Skid plates. And control arms.

snowchucker · 06-04-2007, 07:17 AM

knowing how to drive is a plus.
http://www.norcalttora.com/gallery/album236/aos

dude had full skid plates, f&R bumpers, rocker skids, 33's, but couldn't drive worth a damn. ended up totalling the brand new FJ due to extremely extensive body damage.
other damage was a SNAPPED control arm and the 3rd member also exploded. Toyota also had a well piloted FJ w/ our group who suffered zero body damage, but also blew up the 3rd member as well.

mummac · 06-04-2007, 07:01 PM

I blew up my rear diff as well. It seems to be the weakest part of the thing.

eli1 · 06-04-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by snowchucker

knowing how to drive is a plus.
http://www.norcalttora.com/gallery/album236/aos

dude had full skid plates, f&R bumpers, rocker skids, 33's, but couldn't drive worth a damn. ended up totalling the brand new FJ due to extremely extensive body damage.
other damage was a SNAPPED control arm and the 3rd member also exploded. Toyota also had a well piloted FJ w/ our group who suffered zero body damage, but also blew up the 3rd member as well.

Could that failure occur also when using the rear locker at the wrong time?

FJ-Ollie · 06-05-2007, 08:00 PM

The FJ Trail Team ran the Rubicon in stock set-ups and BFG AT's. Some of them got scratched up a bit but did great. You may want to protect the rear lower control arms with some skids; THEY, and their front brackets, are your weakest link in the FJ. If you're blowing rear diffs... you're using it wrong. In crawling, I've never needed the rear diff lock. A-TRAC works great for crawling. If you do need the rear diff lock, only use it when A-TRAC has failed then disengage it as soon as you've cleared the obstacle. I've had new drivers in their FJs on runs with me go over obstacles and I ask them what they have engaged because they are struggling. They tell me their Rear Diff Lock is engaged. I tell them to disengage it and engage their A-TRAC and they walk right through it. I would encourage him get the A-TRAC Hack, if he hasn't already, in case he needs A-TRAC and and Rear Diff Lock simultaneously for some crazy reason.

woooody · 06-05-2007, 09:44 PM

You are incorrect. Each of the Trail Team vehicles that ran Rubicon with TLCA in 2006 had a 3" Revtek lift and 32" BFG AT's. They also all had a "hack" to allow the Locker to be engaged and disengaged while A-Trac was engaged. No paint was scratched. The were under "orders" from Toyota to not scratch paint.

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Originally Posted by FJ-Ollie

The FJ Trail Team ran the Rubicon in stock set-ups and BFG AT's. Some of them got scratched up a bit but did great. You may want to protect the rear lower control arms with some skids; THEY, and their front brackets, are your weakest link in the FJ. If you're blowing rear diffs... you're using it wrong. In crawling, I've never needed the rear diff lock. A-TRAC works great for crawling. If you do need the rear diff lock, only use it when A-TRAC has failed then disengage it as soon as you've cleared the obstacle. I've had new drivers in their FJs on runs with me go over obstacles and I ask them what they have engaged because they are struggling. They tell me their Rear Diff Lock is engaged. I tell them to disengage it and engage their A-TRAC and they walk right through it. I would encourage him get the A-TRAC Hack, if he hasn't already, in case he needs A-TRAC and and Rear Diff Lock simultaneously for some crazy reason.

rokcrawlintoy · 06-06-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by woooody

You are incorrect. Each of the Trail Team vehicles that ran Rubicon with TLCA in 2006 had a 3" Revtek lift and 32" BFG AT's. They also all had a "hack" to allow the Locker to be engaged and disengaged while A-Trac was engaged. No paint was scratched. The were under "orders" from Toyota to not scratch paint.

Hey Ross, Actually our FJs never had the ATRAC hack done. Just the Revtek lift, 33"s, and ARB bumpers with winches.
Ron

snowchucker · 06-06-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by eli1

Could that failure occur also when using the rear locker at the wrong time?

pretty sure it was a case of using way too much throttle at the wrong time.
Yellow FJ dude killed his coming down old sluice (but was hammering the piss out of it earlier). Marlin ended up dragging him all the way out.
Toyota killed theirs going up Caddilac, and was hammering it. He was pushing the capability and think he was not using the locker to see how far he could get. Other than that he cruised thru the trail w/ out a scratch.

eli1 · 06-07-2007, 04:27 PM

Thanks Chuck, I'm just starting out and there's allot to LeArN

Rat70FJ · 06-28-2007, 07:59 PM

I'd recommend excellent full coverage insurance, and an understanding agent!

trailrunner55 · 07-13-2007, 04:30 PM

ATRAC is for the GHEYS

learn to wheel a truck without a computer getting you through it

woooody · 07-13-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by trailrunner55

ATRAC is for the GHEYS

learn to wheel a truck without a computer getting you through it

So you wheel open/open? How about a lift, got one of those? stock tires are all you need, right?

You don't like ATRAC, fine. Ghey? ignorant. Of course, look on the bright side -- ignorance can be changed -- stupid is forever

trailrunner55 · 07-14-2007, 08:18 AM

When did i mention you had to use stock tires?When did i mention a lift not being used? And yes i did wheel my truck open/open on stock tires without a lift for quite a while. And correct me if im wrong but the fj's come with a elocker

Rat70FJ · 07-14-2007, 03:04 PM

If you have to use an e locker then you're ghey.

woooody · 07-14-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by trailrunner55

When did i mention you had to use stock tires?When did i mention a lift not being used? And yes i did wheel my truck open/open on stock tires without a lift for quite a while. And correct me if im wrong but the fj's come with a elocker

My point is -- why stop at ATRAC? If ATRAC is GHEY, they an e-locker is as well. And so is a lift. And so is bigger tires. I mean, I have a friend that wheeled the rubicon in a stock FJ40 open/open no power steering.

What makes ATRAC such a "GHEY" thing? is it the computer?

trailrunner55 · 07-15-2007, 03:32 PM

Its the point that YOURE not doing the wheeling anymore. The truck is doing it for you

Rat70FJ · 07-15-2007, 06:33 PM

So once you get past a certain level of upgrades, you reach the "Ghey Zone"?

cruzila · 07-15-2007, 06:33 PM

A stock rig with an excellent driver can outwheel a setup rig with an idiot driver everyday of the week. I ran a 2001 TJ through the rubicon 13 times and had to use a strap twice. Once, I saw it coming. The other was a slip.

Bring a spare 3rd.

cruzila · 07-15-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rat70FJ

So once you get past a certain level of upgrades, you reach the "Ghey Zone"?

Face it your Ghey.

trailrunner55 · 07-16-2007, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruzila

Face it your Ghey.

Rat70FJ · 07-16-2007, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruzila

Face it your Ghey.

Now I'm gonna sell all my Junk and go buy that cherry BJ41 I saw the other day!

06-03-2007, 08:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
badlinestu Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Member # 81919 Posts: 320	New FJ requirements for Rubicon trail My buddy wants to do the Rubicon trail with a bunch of us Jeep guys and he has a very capable new FJ with rear locker and front traction control and i think 2 inch lift with 31"s . What does he need as far as upgrades and spares to really enjoy the Rubicon trail. I ask here cause we don't have anything to help repair his FJ on the trail with us. And he is not afraid of body damage !!!

06-03-2007, 08:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
greenfox Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Member # 52537 Location: Stockto, ca Posts: 940	You may need to bring a spare rear third member. __________________ "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph you're going to see some serious shit!"

06-03-2007, 09:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
RocKrawler Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 416 Location: DHS, CA Posts: 3,069	He will NEED new lower rear control links - and I'd recommend some good aftermarket skid plates for protection & better clearance. All Pro has both to fit the FJ. Comparison between stock & All Pro link Here you can see the difference in size & how easily the stock ones bend __________________ Terry - 4 Wheel Parts, Temecula CA 2000 EXCURSION - Cummins soon

06-03-2007, 11:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
kibblerange Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Member # 48179 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 367	Wouldn't the warranty cover all the stuff he could possibly break? Or am I totally off? __________________ '01 PSD . '06 LJ . '85 Rock Ricer Last edited by kibblerange; 06-03-2007 at 11:24 PM.

06-03-2007, 11:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
woooody Registered User Join Date: Jun 2000 Member # 1200 Location: Vallejo, Ca Posts: 977	For TLCA's Rubithon, we require 33's as a minimum. Also consider All Pro sliders. And Skid plates. And control arms. __________________ Ross Woody * Secretary - TLCA #7704 * President - Pacific Mountain Cruisers 72 FJ40 * 07 TRD FJC

06-04-2007, 07:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
snowchucker Registered User Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 363 Location: Dublin, CA Posts: 1,076	knowing how to drive is a plus. http://www.norcalttora.com/gallery/album236/aos dude had full skid plates, f&R bumpers, rocker skids, 33's, but couldn't drive worth a damn. ended up totalling the brand new FJ due to extremely extensive body damage. other damage was a SNAPPED control arm and the 3rd member also exploded. Toyota also had a well piloted FJ w/ our group who suffered zero body damage, but also blew up the 3rd member as well. __________________ -Chuck 70 EB

06-04-2007, 07:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
mummac Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Member # 84775 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 55	I blew up my rear diff as well. It seems to be the weakest part of the thing.

06-05-2007, 08:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
FJ-Ollie Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Member # 90984 Posts: 8	The FJ Trail Team ran the Rubicon in stock set-ups and BFG AT's. Some of them got scratched up a bit but did great. You may want to protect the rear lower control arms with some skids; THEY, and their front brackets, are your weakest link in the FJ. If you're blowing rear diffs... you're using it wrong. In crawling, I've never needed the rear diff lock. A-TRAC works great for crawling. If you do need the rear diff lock, only use it when A-TRAC has failed then disengage it as soon as you've cleared the obstacle. I've had new drivers in their FJs on runs with me go over obstacles and I ask them what they have engaged because they are struggling. They tell me their Rear Diff Lock is engaged. I tell them to disengage it and engage their A-TRAC and they walk right through it. I would encourage him get the A-TRAC Hack, if he hasn't already, in case he needs A-TRAC and and Rear Diff Lock simultaneously for some crazy reason. __________________ [COLOR="Red"][B]"OLLIE" AKA: FU-Ollie[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="silver"][B][U]Titanium AT5 FJC:[/U][/B][/COLOR] [COLOR="Silver"]Railed, Skidded, Hankook Dynapro MT RT03 285/70/17s, DRs Front, OME 895 Rear w/DR Shocks, S/S Brake Lines, ExtremeAire, CO2, 10lb Fire Ext, GPSMap 60Cx, ScanGuage II, Cobra 75 WX ST, Bandi w/4' Firefly, iPod Mount, DVD, Cluster Camera Mount, Cargo Barrier[/COLOR]

06-07-2007, 04:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
eli1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Member # 90171 Location: Northern California Posts: 18	Thanks Chuck, I'm just starting out and there's allot to LeArN

06-28-2007, 07:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
Rat70FJ Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 22408 Location: Rescue, CA Posts: 3,420	I'd recommend excellent full coverage insurance, and an understanding agent!

07-13-2007, 04:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
trailrunner55 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 64272 Location: leomister,ma Posts: 420	ATRAC is for the GHEYS learn to wheel a truck without a computer getting you through it __________________ [QUOTE=evil69;9959175]Chris Hanson is a cockblocker![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=southernfriedcj8;10653828]If I only got 3 blow jobs per year I'd learn to suck my own dick.:shaking:[/QUOTE] :flipoff2: Last edited by trailrunner55; 07-13-2007 at 04:31 PM.

07-14-2007, 08:18 AM	#17 (permalink)
trailrunner55 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 64272 Location: leomister,ma Posts: 420	When did i mention you had to use stock tires?When did i mention a lift not being used? And yes i did wheel my truck open/open on stock tires without a lift for quite a while. And correct me if im wrong but the fj's come with a elocker __________________ [QUOTE=evil69;9959175]Chris Hanson is a cockblocker![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=southernfriedcj8;10653828]If I only got 3 blow jobs per year I'd learn to suck my own dick.:shaking:[/QUOTE] :flipoff2:

07-14-2007, 03:04 PM	#18 (permalink)
Rat70FJ Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 22408 Location: Rescue, CA Posts: 3,420	If you have to use an e locker then you're ghey.

07-15-2007, 03:32 PM	#20 (permalink)
trailrunner55 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 64272 Location: leomister,ma Posts: 420	Its the point that YOURE not doing the wheeling anymore. The truck is doing it for you __________________ [QUOTE=evil69;9959175]Chris Hanson is a cockblocker![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=southernfriedcj8;10653828]If I only got 3 blow jobs per year I'd learn to suck my own dick.:shaking:[/QUOTE] :flipoff2:

07-15-2007, 06:33 PM	#21 (permalink)
Rat70FJ Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 22408 Location: Rescue, CA Posts: 3,420	So once you get past a certain level of upgrades, you reach the "Ghey Zone"?

07-15-2007, 06:33 PM	#22 (permalink)
cruzila Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6650 Location: Garden Valley Posts: 5,384	A stock rig with an excellent driver can outwheel a setup rig with an idiot driver everyday of the week. I ran a 2001 TJ through the rubicon 13 times and had to use a strap twice. Once, I saw it coming. The other was a slip. Bring a spare 3rd. __________________ Scott Johnston Rubicon Trail Foundation Founding Director and Past President 2010-2012 WIN a fully built Toyota pickup at Cantina 2013 Davez Off Road and Trail Gear are supporting Rubicon Trail Foundation

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