F-Toy Rear spring Hangers - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

rockdawg84 · 01-19-2007, 08:10 AM

I Got to be at pusu and saw a f-toy with rear shackle hangers mounted on top of the rear cross member and was wondering what the advantage was other than ground clearance? Also, is this a legal mod for the class? thanks

sam

rockdawg84 · 01-19-2007, 08:11 AM

also is there a build up thread on this f-toy?

a2b · 01-19-2007, 09:58 AM

yes its a legal mod. we are allowed to inboard our rear springs to the width of the front springs. while we are at it, we tuck them up inside the frame so they dont hang down.

a2b · 01-19-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rockdawg84

also is there a build up thread on this f-toy?

check out www.formulatoy.org

azyota · 01-19-2007, 11:15 AM

Just to make sure we are all on the same page. Are we talking about shackles mounted to the top of the rear crossmember, but mounted in the conventional (toyota) way, or like the Deschamps shackle configuration? And just for clarification, is the Deschamps shackle set-up considered F-toy legal?

a2b · 01-19-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by azyota

Just to make sure we are all on the same page. Are we talking about shackles mounted to the top of the rear crossmember, but mounted in the conventional (toyota) way, or like the Deschamps shackle configuration? And just for clarification, is the Deschamps shackle set-up considered F-toy legal?

yes.

the rules state shackle on one end of a 1/2 ellipcitcal and sold mount on the other end.

azyota · 01-19-2007, 01:02 PM

So are you incorporating that into your re-build?

a2b · 01-19-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by azyota

So are you incorporating that into your re-build?

nope. but mabey i should....hmmmm....i'lll guess you'll find out in vegas

kpj · 01-19-2007, 06:24 PM

Is there anymore info on that style setup? I have tried searching before, but didn't have much luck. I found it in Camo's buildup, but I didn't see much details on it and what the advantages were.

Thanks.

a2b · 01-19-2007, 06:30 PM

there are only 2 ftoys with that setup, both are different. one is the deschamps, and the other is team "mikes".

departure angle and other things are the advantages....but it also depends on spring length and so forth. there's alot of variables. i would check with some dessert racers to get the fully skinny on that shackle setup.

benttoy · 01-19-2007, 07:35 PM

Dalton fab did the rear shackles on our F-TOY like the ones Camo has. If you can find the post title unbending benttoys F-TOY they showed all the work they did

rockdawg84 · 01-19-2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by a2b

check out www.formulatoy.org

I did

but I don't know the serial #. I am just begining to learn about F-toys and it was awesome to see them compete for the first time. My wife said that she wants to build one now that she has seen them in action. life is good.

Mustard Dog · 01-20-2007, 08:23 AM

The TIN

BENDER Raffle Rig has that set-up, as does Garry Halls I believe.

azyota · 01-20-2007, 11:56 AM

This is Gary Halls, right?

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the shackles being flipped completly upside down like the Deschamps. I can't find a picture of it anywhere.

Im4yotas · 01-20-2007, 06:38 PM

Yah, that is Gary's. No chance of inverting the shackle and breaking a spring set up like this. Keeps it a little lower, too. Flipped shackles would be way lower.

benttoy · 01-20-2007, 07:58 PM

Wow the drive shaft angle is going to be rough on u-joints

Im4yotas · 01-20-2007, 08:17 PM

It's set up for optimal bearing oiling for the Bonneville runs

Arya Ebrahimi · 01-22-2007, 08:57 AM

Does anyone have any pics of these inverted shackles? I've seen them on desert trucks, and they're standard fair on most full-size's stock, but I'm curious to see how they look and function on a F-toy and how low the thing would have to be to use them.

Ary

a2b · 01-22-2007, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Arya Ebrahimi

Does anyone have any pics of these inverted shackles? I've seen them on desert trucks, and they're standard fair on most full-size's stock, but I'm curious to see how they look and function on a F-toy and how low the thing would have to be to use them.

Ary

really low. i think its cool, but it would take up some of my trunk space and i dont want to do that. my ftoy is a trail rig first

desertoy · 01-22-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by azyota

And just for clarification, is the Deschamps shackle set-up considered F-toy legal?

Please understand that the Deschamps shackle configuration is legal, but their suspension link configuration is not legal. Actually, without the suspension link, the shackle configuration would not work so the whole thing will be changed for 2007.

Keep it simple and it will be legal. If you have to study the letter of the rules to see if your idea will be legal you are probably in the wrong class. This class is based on a stock Toyota pickup.

Arya Ebrahimi · 01-22-2007, 09:34 AM

So does anyone have a pic of deshcamps configuration? I'm just curious to see what everyone is talking about.

Thanks

TNToy · 01-23-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Arya Ebrahimi

So does anyone have a pic of deshcamps configuration? I'm just curious to see what everyone is talking about.

Thanks

What he said. I'm assuming it's an inverted shackle like a Chevy: The bottom end bolts to the frame, and the upper end to the spring... The shackle is slanted toward the FRONT of the rig.

mtbrjon · 01-24-2007, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TNToy

What he said. I'm assuming it's an inverted shackle like a Chevy: The bottom end bolts to the frame, and the upper end to the spring... The shackle is slanted toward the FRONT of the rig.

I know there's some video of it on one of the TGTV's. Can't remember which one.

azyota · 01-28-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by desertoy

Keep it simple and it will be legal. If you have to study the letter of the rules to see if your idea will be legal you are probably in the wrong class. This class is based on a stock Toyota pickup.

ya, I understand. I just want to make sure it clear so others just starting off don't build outside the rules thinking it's okay.

Lazybum · 01-28-2007, 12:04 PM

here's a pic of the deschamp's setup from last year

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2903...97053507UwGPmK

not the best pic, but you can kinda see what's going on

01-19-2007, 08:10 AM	#1 (permalink)
rockdawg84 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14462 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 76	F-Toy Rear spring Hangers I Got to be at pusu and saw a f-toy with rear shackle hangers mounted on top of the rear cross member and was wondering what the advantage was other than ground clearance? Also, is this a legal mod for the class? thanks sam

01-19-2007, 09:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
a2b Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 22547 Location: everywhere Posts: 4,091	yes its a legal mod. we are allowed to inboard our rear springs to the width of the front springs. while we are at it, we tuck them up inside the frame so they dont hang down. __________________ -Hobie GOTPROPANE.COM HI-DESERT DRIVELINE IS THE BEST DRIVELINE EVER!

01-19-2007, 06:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
a2b Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 22547 Location: everywhere Posts: 4,091	there are only 2 ftoys with that setup, both are different. one is the deschamps, and the other is team "mikes". departure angle and other things are the advantages....but it also depends on spring length and so forth. there's alot of variables. i would check with some dessert racers to get the fully skinny on that shackle setup. __________________ -Hobie GOTPROPANE.COM HI-DESERT DRIVELINE IS THE BEST DRIVELINE EVER!

01-19-2007, 07:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
benttoy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 76617 Location: in a crappy little apartment Posts: 1,425	Dalton fab did the rear shackles on our F-TOY like the ones Camo has. If you can find the post title unbending benttoys F-TOY they showed all the work they did __________________ Wright racing F-TOY #22 Hi desert driveline losi rcp crawlers A Samauri is not an f-toy A samauri is not an f-toy A Samauri is not an f-toy A Samauri is not an f-toy

01-20-2007, 08:23 AM	#13 (permalink)
Mustard Dog Chubby Chaser Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7889 Location: Dumb Island Posts: 13,025	The TINBENDER Raffle Rig has that set-up, as does Garry Halls I believe. __________________ Eric Anderson TIN BENDERS Hendrix XR Chassis #001 Ultra4 #66 4Wheel Parts, Raceline, PSC, Bilstein, Marlin Crawler, Smittybilt, HendriX, PacificFab, G2 Axle, PAC Spring, G&J, MAXXIS Roxy's in the industry and I'm a sponsored professional driver. The two of us together make a powerhouse. Accepting the things I cannot change.

01-19-2007, 08:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
rockdawg84 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Member # 14462 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 76	also is there a build up thread on this f-toy?

01-19-2007, 11:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
azyota Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 30134 Location: Tucson Posts: 1,011	Just to make sure we are all on the same page. Are we talking about shackles mounted to the top of the rear crossmember, but mounted in the conventional (toyota) way, or like the Deschamps shackle configuration? And just for clarification, is the Deschamps shackle set-up considered F-toy legal?

01-19-2007, 01:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
azyota Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 30134 Location: Tucson Posts: 1,011	So are you incorporating that into your re-build?

01-19-2007, 06:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
kpj Rock God Join Date: Sep 2001 Member # 6920 Location: Amesbury, MA Posts: 1,815	Is there anymore info on that style setup? I have tried searching before, but didn't have much luck. I found it in Camo's buildup, but I didn't see much details on it and what the advantages were. Thanks.

01-20-2007, 11:56 AM	#14 (permalink)
azyota Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 30134 Location: Tucson Posts: 1,011	This is Gary Halls, right? That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the shackles being flipped completly upside down like the Deschamps. I can't find a picture of it anywhere.

01-20-2007, 06:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
Im4yotas H M F Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8758 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 3,903	Yah, that is Gary's. No chance of inverting the shackle and breaking a spring set up like this. Keeps it a little lower, too. Flipped shackles would be way lower. Attached Images __________________ Drive it like Tim! *H . M ..F* Check out the HMF page on FB

01-20-2007, 07:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
benttoy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Member # 76617 Location: in a crappy little apartment Posts: 1,425	Wow the drive shaft angle is going to be rough on u-joints __________________ Wright racing F-TOY #22 Hi desert driveline losi rcp crawlers A Samauri is not an f-toy A samauri is not an f-toy A Samauri is not an f-toy A Samauri is not an f-toy

01-20-2007, 08:17 PM	#17 (permalink)
Im4yotas H M F Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8758 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 3,903	It's set up for optimal bearing oiling for the Bonneville runs __________________ Drive it like Tim! *H . M ..F* Check out the HMF page on FB

01-22-2007, 08:57 AM	#18 (permalink)
Arya Ebrahimi Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7876 Location: Rockville, MD Posts: 4,219	Does anyone have any pics of these inverted shackles? I've seen them on desert trucks, and they're standard fair on most full-size's stock, but I'm curious to see how they look and function on a F-toy and how low the thing would have to be to use them. Ary __________________ DD/Tow-rig: '06 GMC Sierra 2500HD Duramax Classic Rig: '88 FJ62, 100% stock In the weeds waiting for resurrection: '94 FZJ80, 33s, locked

01-22-2007, 09:34 AM	#21 (permalink)
Arya Ebrahimi Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2001 Member # 7876 Location: Rockville, MD Posts: 4,219	So does anyone have a pic of deshcamps configuration? I'm just curious to see what everyone is talking about. Thanks __________________ DD/Tow-rig: '06 GMC Sierra 2500HD Duramax Classic Rig: '88 FJ62, 100% stock In the weeds waiting for resurrection: '94 FZJ80, 33s, locked

01-28-2007, 12:04 PM	#25 (permalink)
Lazybum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Member # 28623 Location: Helendale Ca Posts: 220	here's a pic of the deschamp's setup from last year http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2903...97053507UwGPmK not the best pic, but you can kinda see what's going on __________________ Wright Racing Hi-Desert Driveline F-toy #22

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