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Old 06-05-2008, 11:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Thought I should introduce myself and get this thread started as it seems the chassis is finally on its way.

For the past several years I have been wheeling a well built 85 4runner. Competed with Jack Uys of Team Trailcarnage Pro-Mod buggy for the ’07 We-Rock season and Judged in ‘08. Due to many reasons the owner sold the buggy and it move on to a new owner.

Saw the development of F-toy over the last few years and put my deposit in for chassis #94 in Dec last year. Got status in February that there were some delays. Finally got word that it was done and ready for shipping a few weeks ago. Got payed up and now just waiting on it to be shipped.

The current plan: “BUDGET allowing” is keeping my trail rig and build the F-Toy to comp specs for comp only. I plan to compete the entire We-Rock Eastern Series as well as the Carolina Crawlin Series at a minimum.

Over the past few years I have accumulated multiple parts as well as several 4runners for parts to donate to the build. I have a few options for frames laying around. I decided a few months ago to start with an 83 Standard cab pickup but also picked up an 85 4runner that I can strip and build off of.

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Welcome to f-Toy. Are you planning a "Budget" build or are going to go big? How about a list of what you plan to put in it.
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Unfortunately it will be a small "Budget" build, unless I win the lottery. Although I am trying to build it with out raping my Trail rig too much.

Parts I have already that will be used on the F-toy build.
37 BFG Krawlers & Walker Evans Beadlocks - donated from my Trail rig.
- 22RE's (but I want to go propane, so still looking for a Carb intake) FOUND a 22r!
- Transmissions W56 and t-cases (still need clocked adapter and Longfield output shaft)
- tapped IFS steering box
- Several sets of mixed springs
- Front and rear axles (2 extra of each)

Parts not sure if I am going to take from the existing trail rig:
- dual cases with 4.7 in the rear and a NON-clocked Marlin adapter with the Longfield output shaft.
- The front axle is loaded (30spl Longfields & hubs, HighPinion detroit locked 5.29, with All Pro High steer, and hydro assist.

Loads of stuff to still purchase....
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- 22RE's (but I want to go propane, so still looking for a Carb intake)
Just run the EFI manifold. Got propane has a kit for the 22RE intake.

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22RE kits.
We now have a kit designed to use the E.F.I. engine. They are designed to run propane only. Lose that smashed up gas tank and poor driveability due to faulty sensors and old wiring with bad connections. It requires a carbureted distributor and ignition coil. It retains the stock intake manifold and throttle cables.
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Another East Coaster.
I see a trend developing.
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Not your plan, but I would tear down the trail rig enough to keep in driveable, but build the ftoy with a lot of parts. Things like:
diffs
dual cases
output
front guts.

Keep the wheeler driveable, but severely diminished in performance. Remember you can only drive one!
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Not your plan, but I would tear down the trail rig enough to keep in driveable, but build the ftoy with a lot of parts. Things like:
diffs
dual cases
output
front guts.

Keep the wheeler driveable, but severely diminished in performance. Remember you can only drive one!
Hopefully I can keep from scavanging too much and I really want to go with a clocked adapter to get close to a flat belly. I will probably end up robbing my front axle. Just gotta figure out what to do in the rear. Wider IFS or Narrow 83 rear? The wider IFS I have more spares of but the 79-85 rear would be narrower for cones and turning. Not sure about how bad it would scrub on the rear frame rails with 37's, or if they would clear at all.

I have been going back and forth about the t-case issue. The Options:
#1 -Dual stock t-cases with clocked adapter
#2 -Dual ultimate (stock & 4.7)with a clocked adapter
#3 -Single 4.7 t-case
Was leaning towards with dual stock case gears instead of the 4.7's. I think my current set up would be too low geared for comps? Any thoughts?
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Old 06-06-2008, 04:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Just got a visit from UPS Kinda laughed when the came from Cali in a Lithonia Lighting box (The company is a few blocks from my house in Conyers, GA)



now to get some work done on the donor.
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Old 06-06-2008, 04:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Another East Coaster.
I see a trend developing.
hope to make it to a comp near you soon.....

Actually I was really thinking about driving up to the Carolina Crawlin comp last weekend of the month. You gonna be there competing?
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Not your plan, but I would tear down the trail rig enough to keep in driveable, but build the ftoy with a lot of parts. Things like:
diffs
dual cases
output
front guts.

Keep the wheeler driveable, but severely diminished in performance. Remember you can only drive one!
Hmmm...


So if he takes the 37's for the FToy, maybe run some 35's on the Runner?

New axle for the front of the Runner:
Grab some 27-spline Longs for the Runner, use factory inners
Factory 4.88's, weld the rear, Lockrite the front

Long rear output in the FToy, factory output in the Runner
Buy a clocked adapter for the FToy, steal the 4.7's.
Leave the unclocked adapter in the Runner.



I feel your $$ pain! I'm trying to keep a Runner running and build an FToy. Since my Runner is fullwidth, it kept me from stealing its axles, and made the decision a bit easier. Only the motor, tranny, and t-cases could have been useful to the FToy, so I bartered for a freshly rebuilt motor, bartered for a tranny, and bought gears/adapter.
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hope to make it to a comp near you soon.....

Actually I was really thinking about driving up to the Carolina Crawlin comp last weekend of the month. You gonna be there competing?
I may go watch. I would like to compete. My schedule is very full and I can only afford to overnight so many parts per month.
If I can fit it into the schedule I will be there competing. If not probably watching. I here the course is awesome.
I need to keep the rig whole for werock and my local comps. (local pays cash to the winners) Plus the local park invited me to a rock race in September. I cant wait to try Rock racing.
If we dont meet soon. how about the fall crawl at River Rock. We usually go. Our trail crew is at Morris Mountain this weekend. I could not go because of family vacation. We will go back soon.

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Food for thought. Stock dual cases can be upgraded easily in the future, wont require new drivelines when you change your mind and get duals, and offer more gearing options than a single case with gears. I am clocked with a flatbelly and the pass seat has been a PITA, think standard adapter with flatbelly or clocked and still hanging down. You will probably get as many opinions as there are rigs but this was my personal experience.
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I may go watch. I would like to compete. My schedule is very full and I can only afford to overnight so many parts per month.
If I can fit it into the schedule I will be there competing. If not probably watching. I here the course is awesome.
I need to keep the rig whole for werock and my local comps. (local pays cash to the winners) Plus the local park invited me to a rock race in September. I cant wait to try Rock racing.
If we dont meet soon. how about the fall crawl at River Rock. We usually go. Our trail crew is at Morris Mountain this weekend. I could not go because of family vacation. We will go back soon.
Dont want to divert to far from this thread... but interested in more info about your "local comps" Chaplin or Spartanburg is only 3hrs from my house either way. I made it out to the XRRA race in Greyrock, AL last month. Total blast, found out quickly that the old 22RE would be quite out classed by the built V6's, Ecotech's and V8's!! Just got back from Morris Mountain this past weekend for the SE 4runner Jambo. Watch in Toyota Owners Mag for pics or there may be a few floating around the web for sure. Definitely will do the RR fall crawl.
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Just run the EFI manifold. Got propane has a kit for the 22RE intake.
Currently working on piecing together a carb kit, but I do like the Got Propane kit, just a bit pricey for my build at this time.
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Local comps are held at Gulchesorvpark.com
X2 on skipping the clocked adapter. Just lift the motr/tranny/tcase set up a little in the rear to get flat belly. My twin sticks have been bent and re-bent trying to get a nice fit between the seats.
X2 on the passenger seat. A major pain. This seat is sitting on the t case and deteriorationg rapidly.

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Dont waste your time with the carb. Find the money for propane. It is too easy to install. And works flawlessly. As a second positive you delete 5-6 things to worry about while teching in for comps.

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We run a 34pict single barrell VW carb on our 20r trail junker. The damn thing never runs out of fuel at angle, has good low/mid power and actually pulls fairly well on top. We built an ugly little adapter manifold and bolted it on. Then you could save the $$$ to get the good stuff from Cary for next season. My .02 worth.
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We run a 34pict single barrell VW carb on our 20r trail junker. The damn thing never runs out of fuel at angle, has good low/mid power and actually pulls fairly well on top. We built an ugly little adapter manifold and bolted it on. Then you could save the $$$ to get the good stuff from Cary for next season. My .02 worth.
That was were I was goin with the carb intake kit. It will definitely be on propane, just cant justify the cost right now for the "Got Propane" brand kit. No more hunting EFI sensor mysteries.

About the clocked / not clocked issue. I guess I will have to re-read some more builds. My primary concern is the drivers seat. Do I have to squeeze a passenger seat in to be legal for comps?
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Stock mod requires a passenger seat mounted the same height/angle as the driver's seat.

Great question, I don't remember if anyone has asked that before.
I was actually wondering the same thing...as my pass seat is also sitting over the t-case front output, and notching the frame for it will be less productive than the driver's side.
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Chassis is finally here!!!


The exchange!!


Ready for transit back to the house!


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Hey your the dude from the April fools toyota crawl. Glad to see your chassis arrived. Get busy on that thing.
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Glad it finally got there!


Don't rape the trail rig! Well, maybe the tires (tons of used 36's on the 'net). Go stock dual cases-you have plenty of those. Or just sell me the daily driver at a smoking price for some extra $$.
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