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Old 08-15-2012, 08:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bumper Design Critique?

I feel close to the landcruiser crowd is why I want your feedback. I want to design a bumper that can be built fairly inexpensive, look good, built strong, and with rock crawling in mind.

I just cut and formed my first design. It is 45'' total width. I made it out of 3/16'' steel. I cut it out of a sheet and formed it with 4 bends. I think forming it out of a sheet will keep its strength up, and there isnt much time involved. I am working on shackle hangers for tow points. I will also work on a winch plate to add later. I was kinda feeling like the ends are to blunt? Im not real sure about my logo either?

Any feedback on what you would like in a bumper would be appreciated. I want to try and keep the price point under $200.00 so dont get to crazy.

P.S. I am not trying to sell these right now. I am just trying to get feedback for a better design .

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Old 08-15-2012, 09:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I hit it with some flat black to see if it helped with the lines.


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Old 08-16-2012, 05:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Looks too wide.

Put it on an FJ40 so we can give you real feedback. Hard to tell with it laying there.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:41 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Looks too wide.

Put it on an FJ40 so we can give you real feedback. Hard to tell with it laying there.
My FJ40 has the bumper welded on so I just sat this bumper on it. This should give you an Idea on width even though its crossed up a little. Thank You
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I think the not-so hardcore guys will like it. Still looks a little wide for the rest of us. Good lines so far.
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:38 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I think the not-so hardcore guys will like it. Still looks a little wide for the rest of us. Good lines so far.
Ok. Thank You Sir.

I will shorten it a little. I also got some other feedback. I was asked about mounting the stinger off the face , matching the angle of the bend ,and gusset it back off the top side of the bumper. This would help slide over obstacles. Also a single bend vs. double bend?
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Looks a too wide for the "hardcore". Anything more than the frame width is usually considered too much

OTOH, maybe a little narrow for the road crowd... cops are known to get pissy when you aren't out to the middle of the tire tread or more(~12" from frame rail)

I like the lines on the main bumper but done care for the stinger/light bar stuff

Beats the 2x4 look though.
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Thanks Guys! I played with the other one I formed last night. This is what another guy asked. The angles are not cut perfect for the stinger, I was just getting an idea.

Im not into the whole single bend stinger. I think it looks but there is function with it like this.

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*Most of us over here fab our own stuff. I bet you'll get much more interest if you post over on MUD. If you're trying to sell it in the future, you'll need to buy a red star over there. Make sure you inset the bumper on a stock truck w/teeny tires instead of showing a D60 front w/ Swampers. Something about those D60's really scares 'em
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narrower with big ass recovery points on the face of the bumper-on left and the right. fabrication looks spot on.

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*Most of us over here fab our own stuff. I bet you'll get much more interest if you post over on MUD. If you're trying to sell it in the future, you'll need to buy a red star over there. Make sure you inset the bumper on a stock truck w/teeny tires instead of showing a D60 front w/ Swampers. Something about those D60's really scares 'em
Thats why I like pirates opinions. You fab stuff. When I figure out the exact design I will offer a cheap ass kit for people with welders. I really do appreciate all your feedback.
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narrower with big ass recovery points on the face of the bumper-on left and the right. fabrication looks spot on.
Sounds good buddy! I will work on that next week. Thank You
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also-how does it attach to the rig-bolts? welds? welded bolts? bolted welds?

im sure there are some dudes who would want to buy one and slap it on that dont have a welder and stuff. how many jeep do you see with winch bumpres and accessories all friggin over them, and they have no fab skills but they are down with some lefty loosie righty tighty action
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And make sure whatever method you decide on for mounting works with the common saginaw steering box swap. I will echo the other's thoughts on it being too wide. Both of my 40's have no bumper outside the frame rails....
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narrower with big ass recovery points on the face of the bumper-on left and the right. fabrication looks spot on.
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Maybe offer it as a kit form so the buyer can finish welding it and weld it up with or without the stinger and at what angle they want.

I also agree with narrower. My bumper is only an inch wider on each side of the frame. Maybe wide enough to incorporate with running full widths?
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Ok. I will keep the shape. I will shorten it. I agree with just wide enough for full width hangers. It would look funny if perches hung outside of the bumper. If I remember correctly that would be 36" total width. I will work on that when I get back.

I havent done the brackets for mounting yet. I wanted to get the shape of bumper I liked first. I will make the bracket fit the contour of the inside of the bumper. I will work on those this week. I was thinking of brackets that have holes to bolt on certain application, shaped to also weld, then a do it yourself ones. The do it yourself ones would be ready to weld on or drill and bolt on. Thanks Again
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you might be able to get away with a single style mounting tab on the inside of the frame rail. a tab with holes that can either be used as a template to drill the frame for bolts-or used for plug welding to the frame for the peeps that hammer on their shit.

less work/options for you means less headaches and hopefully more time and money to make other cool shit.
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I think the lower outside corners need to be trimmed a bit. A slight taper at the outsides would make a more appealing look IMO.
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I think the lower outside corners need to be trimmed a bit. A slight taper at the outsides would make a more appealing look IMO.
My plan is to have 2 shapes. This is the first one this shape. The other design will have a second angle on the ends instead of being blunt. The biggest thing is keeping them easy to produce . That way cost will stay low.

I will whip up a couple new pieces next week and use everyones ideas.

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I finished the other 45'' bumper. I also made a couple that are 36.5'' wide. I am gonna build a couple more that have the ends angled like was suggested to see what you guys think.

Here is the last of the 45'' version that I had. I mounted the stinger off the face matching the angle of the bends. This is one style of recovery point. The other recovery point mounts high and matches the angle of the bends and stinger. Do you like this configuration with the stingers mounting point & angle?

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This is what the other recovery points look like. I am hoping to get some free time to put a bumper together for myself and I will use this version to see what you guys think.

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Here is the short version. That is a 36'' wide shelf. Thanks for the input this far. It helps to hear what your opinions are.
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Here is the other style recovery points. The stinger and recovery points are all at the same plane as the bumpers bends to help slide over obstacles. I havent forgot about the other style with the cut ends. I will work on that style soon. Thanks for any input.

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Can you make one of those for a 60 without the stinger?
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Can you make one of those for a 60 without the stinger?
Yes, I can. I am a few weeks out right now because I am still tweeking a few things with mounting points. Before I release these I want to make sure everything is how I would want them showing up to my door. Thanks

I will keep in touch.
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I really, really like the style where the stinger and recovery points are on the same plane as the leading edge of the bumper. Very slick.

Suggestion: What about another couple of pieces of tube to support the stinger? If a truck tries to go ass over teakettle, I don't think that single bend will keep the truck from going all the way over.

I'm interested in a 60 series model as well, but need to know what the frame mounting points will look like.
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