With Sm420, Rear Cone Not Neccisary, Correct? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

FIXXXXAH · 02-20-2003, 05:42 PM

WHEN YOU DO A SM420/3SPEED XCASE SETUP, THE INPUT SHAFT DOESNT MAKE IT TO THE OLD BEARING AT THE BACK OF THE CASE, AND YOU CAN ACCESS THE LOCKNUT FROM THE PTO COVER, SO THERE IS NOW REASON YOU CANT RUN A PIECE OF FLAT PLATE OVER THE BACK INSTEAD OF USEING THE OLD COVER [WHEN YOU SETUP YOUR REAR SUPPORT CROSSMEMBER]

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERES NOT SOMETHING I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT

MATT

rocrawler · 02-20-2003, 06:01 PM

I'm doing one right now and your correct you do not need the nosecone on the back of the t-case.

SpaceGhost · 02-20-2003, 06:03 PM

You are correct, that the stock cover is not required. A cover of some sort is, including a combo mo/cover youmight fab.

FIXXXXAH · 02-20-2003, 06:07 PM

OH, THERE IS FABBING IN THE WORKS

AND ROCRAWLER, WHAT ARE YOU ROLLING YOUR EYES FOR DUDE?

MATT

rocrawler · 02-20-2003, 06:15 PM

OH, THERE IS FABBING IN THE WORKS

Why do you think I'm rolling my eyes. I've got to fab mine also.

shaka 55 · 02-21-2003, 09:23 AM

I am going to do that swap as well soon and I am still unclear about a few things. I'm doing it on my fj-55 that has the dash mounted 4x4 shift in and out. I changed the three on the tree to floor shift but I still don't now how to change the 3-sp T/C to the floor.

Does anyone know how to do this with the SM420 in place of the stock 3sp? Also, what adapter should I us? I see a place in canada that sells just a plate adapter and Advanced adapters sells a big 5 1/2" thick adapter. Which one are you using?

I am still unclear on what clutch to use. It sounds like you can use the stock flywheel and clutch but use a chevy clutch disk? I herd it was an 11"? What through out bearing and fork do I use?

I already have the SM420, so I just want to get all my parts lind up before I start taking things apart. Any info on this swap is useful.

SpaceGhost · 02-21-2003, 01:14 PM

go HERE and read it all. They have a great adapter plate as well. As far as floor shifting your tcase, it's gonna take parts froma unit that has floor shift, and when you swap the tranny you WILL have to fab linkage for it! Why not just keep what you have, it works doesn't it? Cool factor?

shaka 55 · 02-21-2003, 02:18 PM

It's all about cool factor. No, realy, I want a 4-sp and with the extra low gear and the fact that the sm420 was free, it just makes sence. Besides chicks dig it.

I'm planning on doing some off-roading!!!

Pin Head · 02-21-2003, 03:32 PM

That EB plate adaptor is nice, but not as nice as the Spaceghost plate.

I can hook you up with SM420 + plate adaptor transfer case shift linkage; PM me if you are interested.

shaka 55 · 02-22-2003, 09:35 AM

I did buy what was suposed to be the floor shift linkage for the 3-sp T/C, but I think it is missing parts. The other thing is that my T/C has that werd pump diaphram on the back of it. What do I do with that thing?

FIXXXXAH · 02-22-2003, 10:30 AM

THE IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE GOTTEN IS THE SHIFTING MECHANISM THAT WILL BOLT ONTO THE HOUSEING AND REPLACE THE DIAPHRAM SHIFTER YOU HAVE ON THERE. JUST TAKE THE DIAPHRAM OFF, AND BOLT THE ON YOU GOT ON. THE REST OF THE LINK YOU'LL HAVE TO FAB YOUR SELF, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ANYWAY.

shaka 55 · 02-22-2003, 07:05 PM

you wouldn't happen to know of anyone that has this part? All I have is some linkage. That obviously isn't gonna do it.

FIXXXXAH · 02-22-2003, 10:40 PM

TRY SOME OF THE GUYS WHO OWN SHOPS HERE ON THE BOARD. TEXICAN AND PROFFITT COME TO MIND AS GOOD GUESSES

wanabecruisen · 02-23-2003, 04:59 AM

I think you missed the point of SpaceGhost's earlier suggestion to "keep what you have, it works doesn't it?" I think he is suggesting that you go ahead with the swap but keep the old transfer case shift system. These systems are really quite reliable and seldom fail (in my experience). I plan to keep mine when I find the time to use that pile of parts I have gathered in my shop.

Rascal · 02-23-2003, 12:14 PM

Just Curious: what are you trying to resolve by going to a flat plate vs. the cone shaped one?

rocrawler · 02-24-2003, 06:28 AM

I don't know about FIXXXXAH's reasons but the reason I want to eliminate the nosecone is to gain the about 3" from the back of the t-case to the crossmember.

02-20-2003, 05:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
FIXXXXAH Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3259 Location: NORTHERN NM Posts: 1,258	With Sm420, Rear Cone Not Needed, Correct? WHEN YOU DO A SM420/3SPEED XCASE SETUP, THE INPUT SHAFT DOESNT MAKE IT TO THE OLD BEARING AT THE BACK OF THE CASE, AND YOU CAN ACCESS THE LOCKNUT FROM THE PTO COVER, SO THERE IS NOW REASON YOU CANT RUN A PIECE OF FLAT PLATE OVER THE BACK INSTEAD OF USEING THE OLD COVER [WHEN YOU SETUP YOUR REAR SUPPORT CROSSMEMBER] JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERES NOT SOMETHING I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT MATT __________________ [SIZE=1] "ANYONE WILLING TO TRADE FREEDOM FOR SECURITY DESERVES NEITHER." TUBING AND BUGGIES ARE OVERRATED METRIC ROCKS. [/SIZE]

02-20-2003, 06:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
SpaceGhost Registered User Join Date: Aug 2000 Member # 1599 Location: Indianapolis, IN. Home of the Brickyard 400, Indy 500, and USGP! Posts: 1,557	You are correct, that the stock cover is not required. A cover of some sort is, including a combo mo/cover youmight fab. __________________ Mike "SpaceGhost" Smythe R U gettin' it? UROC Team #180 running: BFG's 37" Krawlers, Gordon Beadlocks, HP60's, T-Max w/Blue Diamond Rope, Green Filters, Marlin's ToyBox, 3.8 Atlas II, and "I got the shaft from Jesse" but I couldn't have done without Badlands Machine Shop (765-762-2981)!

02-20-2003, 06:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
FIXXXXAH Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3259 Location: NORTHERN NM Posts: 1,258	OH, THERE IS FABBING IN THE WORKS AND ROCRAWLER, WHAT ARE YOU ROLLING YOUR EYES FOR DUDE? MATT __________________ [SIZE=1] "ANYONE WILLING TO TRADE FREEDOM FOR SECURITY DESERVES NEITHER." TUBING AND BUGGIES ARE OVERRATED METRIC ROCKS. [/SIZE]

02-21-2003, 09:23 AM	#6 (permalink)
shaka 55 Granite Guru Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 17224 Location: Lake Tapps, WA Posts: 590	question on that swap? I am going to do that swap as well soon and I am still unclear about a few things. I'm doing it on my fj-55 that has the dash mounted 4x4 shift in and out. I changed the three on the tree to floor shift but I still don't now how to change the 3-sp T/C to the floor. Does anyone know how to do this with the SM420 in place of the stock 3sp? Also, what adapter should I us? I see a place in canada that sells just a plate adapter and Advanced adapters sells a big 5 1/2" thick adapter. Which one are you using? I am still unclear on what clutch to use. It sounds like you can use the stock flywheel and clutch but use a chevy clutch disk? I herd it was an 11"? What through out bearing and fork do I use? I already have the SM420, so I just want to get all my parts lind up before I start taking things apart. Any info on this swap is useful.

02-21-2003, 01:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
SpaceGhost Registered User Join Date: Aug 2000 Member # 1599 Location: Indianapolis, IN. Home of the Brickyard 400, Indy 500, and USGP! Posts: 1,557	go HERE and read it all. They have a great adapter plate as well. As far as floor shifting your tcase, it's gonna take parts froma unit that has floor shift, and when you swap the tranny you WILL have to fab linkage for it! Why not just keep what you have, it works doesn't it? Cool factor? __________________ Mike "SpaceGhost" Smythe R U gettin' it? UROC Team #180 running: BFG's 37" Krawlers, Gordon Beadlocks, HP60's, T-Max w/Blue Diamond Rope, Green Filters, Marlin's ToyBox, 3.8 Atlas II, and "I got the shaft from Jesse" but I couldn't have done without Badlands Machine Shop (765-762-2981)!

02-20-2003, 06:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
rocrawler Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5983 Location: Round Mountain, NV Posts: 74	I'm doing one right now and your correct you do not need the nosecone on the back of the t-case.

02-20-2003, 06:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
rocrawler Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5983 Location: Round Mountain, NV Posts: 74	OH, THERE IS FABBING IN THE WORKS Why do you think I'm rolling my eyes. I've got to fab mine also.

02-21-2003, 02:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
shaka 55 Granite Guru Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 17224 Location: Lake Tapps, WA Posts: 590	It's all about cool factor. No, realy, I want a 4-sp and with the extra low gear and the fact that the sm420 was free, it just makes sence. Besides chicks dig it. I'm planning on doing some off-roading!!!

02-21-2003, 03:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
Pin Head Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Member # 4783 Location: Orange Co. CA Posts: 1,797	That EB plate adaptor is nice, but not as nice as the Spaceghost plate. I can hook you up with SM420 + plate adaptor transfer case shift linkage; PM me if you are interested.

02-22-2003, 09:35 AM	#10 (permalink)
shaka 55 Granite Guru Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 17224 Location: Lake Tapps, WA Posts: 590	I did buy what was suposed to be the floor shift linkage for the 3-sp T/C, but I think it is missing parts. The other thing is that my T/C has that werd pump diaphram on the back of it. What do I do with that thing?

02-22-2003, 10:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
FIXXXXAH Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3259 Location: NORTHERN NM Posts: 1,258	THE IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE GOTTEN IS THE SHIFTING MECHANISM THAT WILL BOLT ONTO THE HOUSEING AND REPLACE THE DIAPHRAM SHIFTER YOU HAVE ON THERE. JUST TAKE THE DIAPHRAM OFF, AND BOLT THE ON YOU GOT ON. THE REST OF THE LINK YOU'LL HAVE TO FAB YOUR SELF, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ANYWAY. __________________ [SIZE=1] "ANYONE WILLING TO TRADE FREEDOM FOR SECURITY DESERVES NEITHER." TUBING AND BUGGIES ARE OVERRATED METRIC ROCKS. [/SIZE]

02-22-2003, 07:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
shaka 55 Granite Guru Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 17224 Location: Lake Tapps, WA Posts: 590	you wouldn't happen to know of anyone that has this part? All I have is some linkage. That obviously isn't gonna do it.

02-22-2003, 10:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
FIXXXXAH Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3259 Location: NORTHERN NM Posts: 1,258	TRY SOME OF THE GUYS WHO OWN SHOPS HERE ON THE BOARD. TEXICAN AND PROFFITT COME TO MIND AS GOOD GUESSES __________________ [SIZE=1] "ANYONE WILLING TO TRADE FREEDOM FOR SECURITY DESERVES NEITHER." TUBING AND BUGGIES ARE OVERRATED METRIC ROCKS. [/SIZE]

02-23-2003, 04:59 AM	#14 (permalink)
wanabecruisen Rock God Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3427 Location: Hamburg, AR Posts: 1,143	I think you missed the point of SpaceGhost's earlier suggestion to "keep what you have, it works doesn't it?" I think he is suggesting that you go ahead with the swap but keep the old transfer case shift system. These systems are really quite reliable and seldom fail (in my experience). I plan to keep mine when I find the time to use that pile of parts I have gathered in my shop. __________________ Keep the shiny side up!

02-23-2003, 12:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
Rascal Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Member # 16904 Location: Argyle, Texas Posts: 575	Just Curious: what are you trying to resolve by going to a flat plate vs. the cone shaped one? __________________ Bruce Mitchell KTM - 450EXC

02-24-2003, 06:28 AM	#16 (permalink)
rocrawler Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Member # 5983 Location: Round Mountain, NV Posts: 74	I don't know about FIXXXXAH's reasons but the reason I want to eliminate the nosecone is to gain the about 3" from the back of the t-case to the crossmember.

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