Stock vs. Lock-Rite side gears - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

Lord Baskerville · 04-06-2003, 02:14 PM

Got my ring gear mounted to a new/used carrier as i was not sure the old one was too good anymore.
So, I was looking at the lock-Rite side gears and a stock side gear.

The stock side gears have 1/8th of an inch more spline contact area. And, my breaks both happened at the edge of the gear.
Thus the breakage that wants to spread the carrier apart.

Any thoughts as to this being part of the reason for breakage?

Here are the two axels.

I fixed a buddies broken rear awhile back and his was broken so clean it looked like it was cut on a lathe.

Eskimo · 04-06-2003, 02:31 PM

Most broken shafts I've seen look more like yours.

I doubt the 1/8th inch makes that much difference.

Good call on getting another carrier!

cruiserrg · 04-06-2003, 03:09 PM

Hey Cory,

I don't know if its the cause of the breakage, I doubt it. But anyway you should just weld up a carrier with stock side gears. I never liked a lockright in the rear, I tore one up within 2 trailrides. Welded or Detroit for reliability of the locker.

FIXXXXAH · 04-06-2003, 03:34 PM

HEY CORY... IF YOUR GONNA GO WELDED REAR, AND HAVE THIS LOCKRIGHT JUST LAYING AROUND, TAKING UP SPACE ...

MY FRONT DIFF IS STILL OPEN, AND MY FRONT AXLE IS GETTING PUT BACK TOGETHER THIS WEEK AFTER THE CUT AND TURN....

74_Chevota · 04-06-2003, 03:48 PM

IMO i dont think 1/8 of an inch is gana make that big of a diffrence. I would also have to agree that detroit or welded is the way to go. Not that i dont like the lockright but i just dont think it will hold up to the abuse u r givin it offroad.

And if u do decide to weld it up then put me second in line for the lockright! I dont have much cash for a detroit and welded is too sloppy for daily driving.

*Sam*

Lord Baskerville · 04-06-2003, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cruiserrg
Hey Cory,

I don't know if its the cause of the breakage, I doubt it. But anyway you should just weld up a carrier with stock side gears. I never liked a lockright in the rear, I tore one up within 2 trailrides. Welded or Detroit for reliability of the locker.

Yea, I'm gonna weld it.
It will be totally rebuildable...
I just weld the side and spider gears so that they can only move in one grove each. That way everything can be disassembled and the metat in the carrier is not altered at all.

AND, the clean break on a rear was on your old truck Reuben

Cory

cruiserrg · 04-07-2003, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Baskerville

Yea, I'm gonna weld it.
It will be totally rebuildable...
I just weld the side and spider gears so that they can only move in one grove each. That way everything can be disassembled and the metat in the carrier is not altered at all.

AND, the clean break on a rear was on your old truck Reuben

Cory

Funny, I never broke a rear. Guess I broke other stuff before the rear busted. I knew I kept rear spares with that rig for a reason, hope he had them along.

How is that thing be doing for Dave? I miss that rig

, and need to get mine done.

FIXXXXAH · 04-07-2003, 08:39 AM

OOOOH COOOOORYYYYY..... WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR LOOOOOOCK RIIIIIIIIIGHT?

Lord Baskerville · 04-07-2003, 02:37 PM

I have a buddy waiting in line here for that Lock-Rite

Cory

Pin Head · 04-07-2003, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Baskerville
my breaks both happened at the edge of the gear.

Any thoughts as to this being part of the reason for breakage?

.

At least you are consistent.

04-06-2003, 02:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
Lord Baskerville Registered User Join Date: Apr 2000 Member # 582 Location: Rosendale, WI, USA Posts: 679	Stock vs. Lock-Rite side gears Got my ring gear mounted to a new/used carrier as i was not sure the old one was too good anymore. So, I was looking at the lock-Rite side gears and a stock side gear. The stock side gears have 1/8th of an inch more spline contact area. And, my breaks both happened at the edge of the gear. Thus the breakage that wants to spread the carrier apart. Any thoughts as to this being part of the reason for breakage? Here are the two axels. I fixed a buddies broken rear awhile back and his was broken so clean it looked like it was cut on a lathe. Attached Images __________________ FJ-40 HP 2F SM420, 4:88, Locked F&R, 98" WB, Sawsalled, Welded, dented, 36" SX's, 3spd gears in a 4 spd case, Newfields, Lots of other mods all done by Me... Towed to the trail with a 97 Crew cab 4X4 PSD (slightly improved)

04-06-2003, 02:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
Eskimo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Member # 10429 Location: Danville, PA Posts: 4,456	Most broken shafts I've seen look more like yours. I doubt the 1/8th inch makes that much difference. Good call on getting another carrier! __________________ Rich Q. FJ-40 Cruggy - tuned 5.3/4WS rockwells/linked/ORI's/42's

04-06-2003, 03:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
cruiserrg Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 4961 Location: Mankato, MN USA Posts: 867	Hey Cory, I don't know if its the cause of the breakage, I doubt it. But anyway you should just weld up a carrier with stock side gears. I never liked a lockright in the rear, I tore one up within 2 trailrides. Welded or Detroit for reliability of the locker. __________________ Reuben Gosewisch AKA: cruiserrg See pics of my Tube Chassised, MOG axled rockcrawler project: [url="http://webpages.charter.net/cruiserrg/toypuproject.html"]CruiserProject[/url] Wisconsin Off Highway Vehicle Association Webmaster: [url="http://www.wohva.com"]www.wohva.com[/url] Midwest 4 Wheel Drive Association Webmaster: [url="http://www.mw4wda.org"]www.mw4wda.org[/url]

04-06-2003, 03:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
FIXXXXAH Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3259 Location: NORTHERN NM Posts: 1,258	HEY CORY... IF YOUR GONNA GO WELDED REAR, AND HAVE THIS LOCKRIGHT JUST LAYING AROUND, TAKING UP SPACE ... MY FRONT DIFF IS STILL OPEN, AND MY FRONT AXLE IS GETTING PUT BACK TOGETHER THIS WEEK AFTER THE CUT AND TURN.... __________________ [SIZE=1] "ANYONE WILLING TO TRADE FREEDOM FOR SECURITY DESERVES NEITHER." TUBING AND BUGGIES ARE OVERRATED METRIC ROCKS. [/SIZE]

04-06-2003, 03:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
74_Chevota Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Member # 12991 Location: Boone/Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,447	IMO i dont think 1/8 of an inch is gana make that big of a diffrence. I would also have to agree that detroit or welded is the way to go. Not that i dont like the lockright but i just dont think it will hold up to the abuse u r givin it offroad. And if u do decide to weld it up then put me second in line for the lockright! I dont have much cash for a detroit and welded is too sloppy for daily driving. Sam __________________ 11' Go-fast buggy:5.3L-TH350-Atlas 3.0-bypasses

04-07-2003, 08:39 AM	#8 (permalink)
FIXXXXAH Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Member # 3259 Location: NORTHERN NM Posts: 1,258	OOOOH COOOOORYYYYY..... WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR LOOOOOOCK RIIIIIIIIIGHT? __________________ [SIZE=1] "ANYONE WILLING TO TRADE FREEDOM FOR SECURITY DESERVES NEITHER." TUBING AND BUGGIES ARE OVERRATED METRIC ROCKS. [/SIZE]

04-07-2003, 02:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lord Baskerville Registered User Join Date: Apr 2000 Member # 582 Location: Rosendale, WI, USA Posts: 679	I have a buddy waiting in line here for that Lock-Rite Cory __________________ FJ-40 HP 2F SM420, 4:88, Locked F&R, 98" WB, Sawsalled, Welded, dented, 36" SX's, 3spd gears in a 4 spd case, Newfields, Lots of other mods all done by Me... Towed to the trail with a 97 Crew cab 4X4 PSD (slightly improved)

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