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Old 06-20-2003, 10:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Tire size help for my 60 from you guys!

Ok here's the deal. I'm having my HJ60 restored up in Canada by Rob Lassman. I bought a kick ass set of axles already built up with 5.29's and ARB's in them. Disks and the rear is a full floater. Because my engine is a diesel (HJ) I dont want her to scream at hwy speeds. She sits on a new Olm Man Emu full suspension and I need to deciide on tire size.

I've decided on either 37" MTR's, or 40" MTR's. The trouble is that if I go with the 37's I'll have to gear down to 4.56's to keep engine speed down above 55 mph.

You guys with mucho 60 experience. Are 40" tires to big for a 60 series body? I have 1.5" wheel spacers that are on there too. The axles have been rebuilt recently the rear is a full floater with disks and she's got hydro high steering too.

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Old 06-20-2003, 11:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 06-20-2003, 12:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks, but Ive done the math. I'm looking for advice from 60 owners as to the largest tire size they would go with!


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Old 06-20-2003, 12:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
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My buddy Kirk that I wheel with all the time is running 35's with a Belton suspension, sprung-under. Still running stock 3.7's and the 3B is fine with it all. If you're running lower gears and slightly larger tires, you'll be fine. Just wheel it like a diesel, and you'll crawl wherever you want to go. I ran my BJ60 with 33's, just never bothered getting bigger rubber, wheeled the crap out of it, and the "Sammi" guys couldn't believe what the big wagons got into.
Anyhow, be sure to stop by in Victoria on you're way to the ferry, and we'll get out for a wheel. We've got a pile of Cruiser heads here willing to go out anytime, including an HJ61 RHD, a bunch of 42's, 60's, 70's and 55's.
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Old 06-20-2003, 12:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Sounds like you bought Peter S's axles....

Do you plan on wheeling it? 60s out of Iceland run 44s and they do require fender trimming, other than that you might want to consider moving the rear axle back a bit so it doesn't enter into the rear door. Otherwise I've seen two *J60s with 38s, neither were too big for the body.

But, I'm betting the tires are too large for the axles if you really wheel it.

MHO.

Edit: I'd keep the 5.29s, you've got an overdrive already right?
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that's gotta be his pic.....LOL!
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Old 06-20-2003, 03:45 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I wanted a cool (big I mean roomy) rig that I could go on long road trips with and wheel then I get there! I plan on driving to Alaska, and other places next summer. call it a street rod cruiser if you want, I dont care. It will be a very capable rig. I have a diesel samurai for my hard core shit.

I'll probably go with the 37's and re gear if i have to!

And YES those are Peters axles!




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Old 06-20-2003, 05:23 PM   #10 (permalink)
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heh, I saw those axles at rob's shop....


that peter feller...keep him away from the welder....


still should be cool when it's done tho!

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I don't think they were referring to your rig as being a street rod cruiser. It's that dipshit's username up there... He's been being quite a pest lately....

As to the tires, I haven't any experience on the issue, but in my opinion, 40s are too big to run on a rig that you are going to drive long distances to the trail on... I wouldn't go larger than 37s for that sort of application... Anyway, that's just my opinion.......
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Hey Tom, ya gotta grow thick skin on this network.

Anyway, honest question looking for a honest answer.

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Re: Tire size help for my 60 from you guys!

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Ok here's the deal. I'm having my HJ60 restored up in Canada by Rob Lassman. I bought a kick ass set of axles already built up with 5.29's and ARB's in them. Disks and the rear is a full floater. Because my engine is a diesel (HJ) I dont want her to scream at hwy speeds. She sits on a new Olm Man Emu full suspension and I need to deciide on tire size.

I've decided on either 37" MTR's, or 40" MTR's. The trouble is that if I go with the 37's I'll have to gear down to 4.56's to keep engine speed down above 55 mph.

You guys with mucho 60 experience. Are 40" tires to big for a 60 series body? I have 1.5" wheel spacers that are on there too. The axles have been rebuilt recently the rear is a full floater with disks and she's got hydro high steering too.

Thanks for the help.

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heres one i was told these were 40 in mich miltary tires look great to me i would run the 40 mtrs sounds cool to me


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Old 06-21-2003, 09:31 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I've run an FJ60 with 36x14.5 TSL Radial, SPOA.

Actually I have the stock R&P 3.7:1 but I'm thinking on 4.88, I think if you have a diesel engine you need 4.88 or 5.29 (only if you have full floater)

Do you have 5 speed trans?

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I'd go with 37s especially if you are going to be on the road with it much.
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Thanks guys. I think I'll go with the 37's.


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Re: Re: Tire size help for my 60 from you guys!

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heres one i was told these were 40 in mich miltary tires look great to me i would run the 40 mtrs sounds cool to me
cheers joel
That's Peter Straub's BJ60 as it was last year. The tires on it are only 38s, and the axles Joe is going to run is off the same truck.

My personal vote is for some 38" Michelins (XZLs if you can swing them.)
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I mistakenly called him Joe too (from his handle) but it's Tom
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Old 06-21-2003, 05:15 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I sure liked those Michelins! They are just to damn hard to FIND! They are expensive too! I already bought some Trail Ready 17" bead locked rims! So it's either the MTR's, or those new BFG krawlers! Frankly I'd rather PARISH than give my money to the French! BFG is owned by the frogs! So it's MTR's or bust!


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Flozano, can you get some better close up shots of those roof rack brackets?
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I sure liked those Michelins! They are just to damn hard to FIND! They are expensive too! I already bought some Trail Ready 17" bead locked rims! So it's either the MTR's, or those new BFG krawlers! Frankly I'd rather PARISH than give my money to the French! BFG is owned by the frogs! So it's MTR's or bust!
Try Dollar Tire in Edmunton.

Frankly, I think 17" rims are a joke, then again I don't rock crawl, own anything with aluminum wheels, and I prefer to tube my tires. I'd love some split rims but find working with the Xls on and off the rims a breeze.

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If you're serious about driving that thing really long distances, get rid of the beadlock'd rims, unless you plan to make a habit to constantly check and re-torque all those bolts and don't mind the vibration. I'm not saying you can't drive on the highway with beadlocks, I'm saying that if the plan is to drive it more than you plan to wheel it, then it's better to go with a more easily balanced rim with less maintenance.

There, I've said it.

As for tire size, It depends on the suspension you're going to run. With a SO + OME's you can pretty much run up to 38's (maybe even bigger), especially if you can control the up-travel of the suspension to keep the tires off the sheetmetal. The problem again is your stated use, a truck like that is not going to be the best daily driver and some of the best features of a Land Cruiser wagon are going to dissapear, try loading and unloading a 60 series that tall!

My advice to you is to de-arch the springs and run 37" MT/R's on 10" steel rims. You'll end up with a capable wheeling rig that you can drive and use in relative comfort and take it across the continent with confidence.

This is my poseur experience, take it with a grain of salt.
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Hey Henry, is it really that big a deal with the bead locks and the bolts backing off?

Would Locktite work for this problem?

Golf balls in the tires, heard a little about his trick before for balancing the tires.

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A beadlock is not a beadlock, meaning different manufacturers turn out different beadlock rims that vary wildly in quality, from somewhat crude but effective to amazingly-well engineered solution. But no matter how good they are, beadlocks aren't designed for constant highway use, and it's fairly common to suffer from bolts loosening. This doesn't mean that every time you drive on the highway you're going to be shooting bolts out left and right, but like I said, for the intended purpose, it's probably best to pass on it. That's just my opinion, like I said, take it with a grain of salt.

As for the balancing, you can do Equal, golf balls or airgun BB's, all are said to work fairly well. I don't have any experience with any of these options, but I have good friends who have used all of these and they all claim varying degrees of success.
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I understand Henry's stance. For your information there is now a DOT approved bead lock! The wheels I bought are arguably the best, most engineered bead lock out there. As far as balancing goes, this wheel shouldnt make any difference, the damn thing is a Mickey Thompson forged aluminum wheel! Stronger than any steel wheel. The tire is a radial, and I plan on using these anyways:

http://www.centramatic.com/

I've heard really good things about these balancers.

I bought 1.5 inch wheel spacers to give her a little extra (3"0 width and stability.

Thanks guys!

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