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Old 08-15-2001, 06:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Post Spring over thoughts....

Decisions, decisions.....

My goal is to stretch my wheelbase within reason (no frame cuts yet) during my axle install/spring over.

For the rear, I am installing 55 springs.

Thought #1: Leave the shackle hanger in its stock location and use one of these God-aweful 3" shackles that I am using for my SUA at present. I am thinking that this will give me a 45 degree angle on the shackle for a nice smooth ride, plus the droop should be wicked! The long shackle should not give me much additional lift since it will be at an angle.

Though #2: Front FJ-40 springs reversed with the military wrap on the shackle reversed end (front) stretching my wheel base another 3 inches to the front. I am thinking about picking up some "new" Cool Cruisers stock springs for $80 each to do this.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

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Old 08-15-2001, 06:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It is Matt, before you buy the springs from Cool Cruisers check out my stock springs. I will trade you my springs and some $ for your alcans. Just a thought. Let me know if you are interested.
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I have a stack of pancake FJ-40 springs that I can get for free. I was just tossing around getting new springs instead.

Just a thought....maybe they would last longer/flex better/give more lift???

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Nolen -

If you flip the front springs and keep the wraps where they belong, then you have to do some redrilling.

Heres an idea: Get Alcan to make you the single leafs that you would neeed to redrill, custom to your spec. That way it can be any increase in base that you want.
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The wraps belong on the fixed end of the spring right? If that is the case, they will be in the right place when i do the shackle reversal, right? <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">
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<STRONG>The wraps belong on the fixed end of the spring right? If that is the case, they will be in the right place when i do the shackle reversal, right? <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Yessir!!! you are completly correct!!! What type of steering are you going to do???


Hey, my 38.5's show up today. I should be able to mount them by this weekend!!! Gonna get some new flex pics!!!
Did the pic I sent you do you any good??
I know is was rough but it should give a basic idea. Unfortunately I am not the graphic artist like a lot of the guys on this board are.
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I am going to have my tie rod behind the axle and hydo assist.

Send me some shots!

My buyer took the 38's home, installed them on his Jeep and they f'ing don't fit!

I still have tires for sale! <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0">
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Oooooo hydro assist huh. Cool, that the tie rod is behind the axle. When you do a spring swap and do the shackle reversal it can get a bit tight as a result of the short distance between the axle and the spring mounting point. Compound that with the angle that the spring has to be to get it to the frame... Sounds like a really neat set up though!!!!

Now lets see I need some dana 60's, that extra saginaw box so I can do hydraulic assist steering (You out there clay??? <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> ) And a crawler box for my truck... Moab will be fun next year....

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Sounds like that will work out very well, Nolen... Are you going full width??

I would think about pulling the overload leaves out of the rear 55 series springs, and adding them to the front packs in whatever layer, to stiffen the front and soften the rear. You are gonna have a traction arm in the rear right??

This will even up the flex front-to-rear, so the front doesn't do all the work. If you wanna get really custom, inboard the rear springs to make them the same distance apart as the fronts, that would be killer, but stock LC springs are probably too soft to have that setup be safe.

I think you're gonna be happier spring over

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I did spring over on my cruz and reverse shackle. In front I Flipped the spring and gained 3" I tried it the other way and it steered like crap so i think its right if you turn them any way I also turned my rears to gain room for my th400 and D60 gained 2.5" its been fine since alot of flex. never know until you try Is my moto.
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The axles are going to be 62" WTW.

I am going to try the reverse steering, if not, I will go with the standard setup.

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like this? <IMG width=586 height=427 SRC="http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/DCP00525.JPG">
I also reversed the front and had the military wrap leaf redrilled so I could spin it.
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69 it looks like you have the pig springs in the back of your cruiser. Is that true? Or did you move the rear shackle hanger forward?
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69...do you ever have problems with the shackle geting suck after to compress it? I was thinking that may be a problem.

As for the front, is the military wrap on the fixed end or the shackle end?
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<STRONG>I am going to have my tie rod behind the axle and hydo assist.

Send me some shots!

My buyer took the 38's home, installed them on his Jeep and they f'ing don't fit!

I still have tires for sale! <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
How much do you want for the tyres? Probably not worth me asking as the freight would be too much to Australia but I would like to compare prices, thnx.
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<STRONG>69 it looks like you have the pig springs in the back of your cruiser. Is that true? Or did you move the rear shackle hanger forward?</STRONG>
They are some wagoneer springs, I got from FC187. He helped me plan out the set up for the rear. Shackle hanger is in the same spot as before.

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<STRONG>69...do you ever have problems with the shackle geting suck after to compress it? I was thinking that may be a problem.

As for the front, is the military wrap on the fixed end or the shackle end?</STRONG>
Im not understanding the first question, but I havent had any problems with it yet. The wagoneer spring is real close in length to the 55 spring also.
In the front I flipped the 2nd spring with the wrap around so that it would be at the fixed end. I took it to a spring shop to drill it for me, cost me 10 bucks.

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The tyres go for $220 new, I am selling mine for $750 for 4.

I think they are sold to a guy in my club with a 'SOA '60!!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 69cruzer:
[QB]They are some wagoneer springs, I got from FC187. He helped me plan out the set up for the rear. Shackle hanger is in the same spot as before.

How long are the Wagoneer springs? Are they close enough to the fj55 springs that the longer shackle would still work? I think it'd be great if I didn't have to move the rear hanger. Thanks!
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[quote]Originally posted by Fullsize 40:
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[QB]They are some wagoneer springs, I got from FC187. He helped me plan out the set up for the rear. Shackle hanger is in the same spot as before.

How long are the Wagoneer springs? Are they close enough to the fj55 springs that the longer shackle would still work? I think it'd be great if I didn't have to move the rear hanger. Thanks!</STRONG>
the wagoneer springs are a little shorter (maybe an inch or so) than the 55s. I didnt move my hanger. I think you could do the same thing with the 55 springs though.
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[quote]Originally posted by Fullsize 40:
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[QB]They are some wagoneer springs, I got from FC187. He helped me plan out the set up for the rear. Shackle hanger is in the same spot as before.

How long are the Wagoneer springs? Are they close enough to the fj55 springs that the longer shackle would still work? I think it'd be great if I didn't have to move the rear hanger. Thanks!</STRONG>
Why not just run the 55 springs? apparently they are very close in length. So it should not be a big deal at all. Try it and find out!! 69cruiser did not move his mounts and gets some fairly impressive flex!
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<STRONG>Why not just run the 55 springs? apparently they are very close in length. So it should not be a big deal at all. Try it and find out!! 69cruiser did not move his mounts and gets some fairly impressive flex!</STRONG>
That's the plan. I have the 55 springs sitting in my driveway. I was just going to wait for a day that I had time to move the mounts, but now that I don't have to, it makes the job a bit easier. Thanks for the info!
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another dif between the 55's and the waggy's is that the waggy's dont have a mil wrap, they are a little softer, they have larger bushings (good thing) and the center pin is off center about an inch.

oh, and the waggys are a dime a dozen at pnp <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

when we did 69cruiser's conv. he already had a spring rev. and the waggys didnt move his axle from that position. Im tellin ya, those thangs is ssssssssoft <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
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<STRONG>Decisions, decisions.....

My goal is to stretch my wheelbase within reason (no frame cuts yet) during my axle install/spring over.

For the rear, I am installing 55 springs.

Thought #1: Leave the shackle hanger in its stock location and use one of these God-aweful 3" shackles that I am using for my SUA at present. I am thinking that this will give me a 45 degree angle on the shackle for a nice smooth ride, plus the droop should be wicked! The long shackle should not give me much additional lift since it will be at an angle.

Though #2: Front FJ-40 springs reversed with the military wrap on the shackle reversed end (front) stretching my wheel base another 3 inches to the front. I am thinking about picking up some "new" Cool Cruisers stock springs for $80 each to do this.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

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Hey Nolen, I say do both <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> you will dig the wheelbase. The rev in the front gives you a bitchen approach angle and the waggys or 55's in the rear allong with that long shackle kicked back would be saweeeet. that pick of 69's 40 twisting does not do it justice. the fricken rear of that thing flexes more than the front <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

If you where going to do one or the other I would say do the rear. you rear dl is probably a we on the short side and could use a little room to stretch out.

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I decided on stock springs reversed with a SR in the front and Pig springs in the rear. Should stretch me out to 96-97 inches.

I'll try it this way before I chop it in 1/2.
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