Can you warp a axle by welding on it???? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

fj40charles · 08-20-2001, 08:47 PM

I talked to Sunray engineering about building me some RC D60 axles for my FJ40 and they said I needed to know where the spring perches will be for my 4 link. They said if they did not weld the perches BEFORE putting the axle tube together, there was a good chance it would warp the tube.

Has anyone heard of this? Unless you're really welding a long bead or welding alot in a single spot, I don't see how this could happen with skilled welder using a mig welder.

Comments?

Thanks in advance,
Charles

Reddog · 08-20-2001, 10:45 PM

Heat moves metal which equates to warpage. If you want to keep it straight it may be wise to add heat to the oppisite side to where you are welding. A small rose bud and a heat stick will do. You can get heat sticks that melt at a certain temp. so you can accurately determine how much heat is being applied.

Jimyrigdfj · 08-21-2001, 02:25 PM

This is very possible no matter how skilled the welder is heat is heat and that is what warps metal.

fj40charles · 08-21-2001, 04:13 PM

The only problem is... how do you tell them where to put the spring perches for a 4 link without putting the axle under the vehicle to see how things line up? Do I need to make a wooden axle with the same dimensions and put it under the vehicle to get the exact dimensions? What a PITA. Also, how do you know what the caster should be without seeing how much the vehicle is going to sag???

Thanks,
Charles

Reddog · 08-21-2001, 05:59 PM

Have them build your axle housing without the spring perches welded. Then you can bolt it all together where you want it to be, if you are happy with the position of everything weld small tacks to keep the perches in place.
Then tear it all apart. Then you can put the axle housing up on some pipe stands and do your welding or you can take it back to the shop and have them weld it.
Any compitent welder that knows his trade will know how to deal with the heat/warpage issue.

[ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: Reddog ]

fj40charles · 08-21-2001, 09:32 PM

Don,

Thanks for the info. I like this idea much better.

Charles

Land Crusher · 08-22-2001, 05:00 AM

well this is for a dana 60

so I would ask them to use thicker
tubeing. I highly doubt that .350
or thicker tubeing is going to bend

In the real world any movement 0r
bending will be minimal and wont
mater.

fj40charles · 08-22-2001, 07:07 AM

I think they're just saying this to cover their A$$ in case someone who does not know how to weld ends up really warping the axle.

When I talked to Currie, they said they use a 7/16" thick tubing. I'll ask Sunray to see what they use.

Thanks for all of the replies..

Charles

weldpro · 08-23-2001, 09:30 AM

I going to go with Landcrusher on this one---DONT worry about it. Although it could its doubtful that its going to.
weldpro

One more thing- Have you guys seen Allpros' high clearence housing for Toy mini trucks? Now that could have a serious warpage issue! <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

fj40charles · 08-25-2001, 09:30 AM

Thanks for all of the replies. I won't worry about it too much.

Charles

08-20-2001, 08:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
fj40charles Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 1926 Location: Dallas, TX USA Posts: 3,254	Can you warp a axle by welding on it???? I talked to Sunray engineering about building me some RC D60 axles for my FJ40 and they said I needed to know where the spring perches will be for my 4 link. They said if they did not weld the perches BEFORE putting the axle tube together, there was a good chance it would warp the tube. Has anyone heard of this? Unless you're really welding a long bead or welding alot in a single spot, I don't see how this could happen with skilled welder using a mig welder. Comments? Thanks in advance, Charles __________________ '69 FJ40 with very few stock parts. 2000 Cummins with some goodies to make it smoke..... Trail Gear's Bad Ethics=Bad Business.

08-20-2001, 10:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Reddog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 25 Location: 3rd rock from the sun Posts: 2,376	Heat moves metal which equates to warpage. If you want to keep it straight it may be wise to add heat to the oppisite side to where you are welding. A small rose bud and a heat stick will do. You can get heat sticks that melt at a certain temp. so you can accurately determine how much heat is being applied. __________________ [url]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=151481375[/url] [SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]N C R D[/COLOR][/SIZE] Chevy Pickup, lifted, modified V8, dual transfer case, lockers, big tires and BIG BALLS !

08-21-2001, 02:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jimyrigdfj Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6434 Location: colorado Posts: 118	This is very possible no matter how skilled the welder is heat is heat and that is what warps metal. __________________ WRECKING CREW 4X4

08-21-2001, 04:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
fj40charles Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 1926 Location: Dallas, TX USA Posts: 3,254	The only problem is... how do you tell them where to put the spring perches for a 4 link without putting the axle under the vehicle to see how things line up? Do I need to make a wooden axle with the same dimensions and put it under the vehicle to get the exact dimensions? What a PITA. Also, how do you know what the caster should be without seeing how much the vehicle is going to sag??? Thanks, Charles __________________ '69 FJ40 with very few stock parts. 2000 Cummins with some goodies to make it smoke..... Trail Gear's Bad Ethics=Bad Business.

08-21-2001, 05:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
Reddog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 25 Location: 3rd rock from the sun Posts: 2,376	Have them build your axle housing without the spring perches welded. Then you can bolt it all together where you want it to be, if you are happy with the position of everything weld small tacks to keep the perches in place. Then tear it all apart. Then you can put the axle housing up on some pipe stands and do your welding or you can take it back to the shop and have them weld it. Any compitent welder that knows his trade will know how to deal with the heat/warpage issue. [ 08-21-2001: Message edited by: Reddog ] __________________ [url]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=151481375[/url] [SIZE="4"][COLOR="Red"]N C R D[/COLOR][/SIZE] Chevy Pickup, lifted, modified V8, dual transfer case, lockers, big tires and BIG BALLS !

08-21-2001, 09:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
fj40charles Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 1926 Location: Dallas, TX USA Posts: 3,254	Don, Thanks for the info. I like this idea much better. Charles __________________ '69 FJ40 with very few stock parts. 2000 Cummins with some goodies to make it smoke..... Trail Gear's Bad Ethics=Bad Business.

08-22-2001, 05:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
Land Crusher Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Member # 256 Location: seattle wa Posts: 1,285	well this is for a dana 60 so I would ask them to use thicker tubeing. I highly doubt that .350 or thicker tubeing is going to bend In the real world any movement 0r bending will be minimal and wont mater. __________________ Light travels faster than sound. That is why some peopple appear brighter than they are before they speak.

08-22-2001, 07:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
fj40charles Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 1926 Location: Dallas, TX USA Posts: 3,254	I think they're just saying this to cover their A$$ in case someone who does not know how to weld ends up really warping the axle. When I talked to Currie, they said they use a 7/16" thick tubing. I'll ask Sunray to see what they use. Thanks for all of the replies.. Charles __________________ '69 FJ40 with very few stock parts. 2000 Cummins with some goodies to make it smoke..... Trail Gear's Bad Ethics=Bad Business.

08-23-2001, 09:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
weldpro pimping sparks&smoke Join Date: Mar 2000 Member # 444 Posts: 844	I going to go with Landcrusher on this one---DONT worry about it. Although it could its doubtful that its going to. weldpro One more thing- Have you guys seen Allpros' high clearence housing for Toy mini trucks? Now that could have a serious warpage issue! <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> __________________ DBSONLY

08-25-2001, 09:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
fj40charles Zeus of the Sluice Join Date: Oct 2000 Member # 1926 Location: Dallas, TX USA Posts: 3,254	Thanks for all of the replies. I won't worry about it too much. Charles __________________ '69 FJ40 with very few stock parts. 2000 Cummins with some goodies to make it smoke..... Trail Gear's Bad Ethics=Bad Business.

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