Fullsize 1-ton GM axles on a stock FJ60 - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

BigGreenMachine · 02-08-2005, 08:19 PM

Need some info on putting a 8 lug 14bolt and Dana 60 from a 70's K20 on a stock FJ60. Whats it gonna take?

Oh and first post, awsome site. Looking for some info on a spring project I want to do. Fullsize axles, bobbed rear, lockers, crossover steering and a 350 in a good condition FJ60.

James

toy4fun · 02-08-2005, 08:49 PM

freking newbe

if your fj60 has a drive train just lift and lock and sale your d60 front (to me, not for my toy) to pay for the lift and lock

if it brakes then fix it

welcome newbe

DHONDAGOD · 02-08-2005, 09:56 PM

welcome to pirate.. recc lurking a couple months before posting silly questions... stuff like this is asking for a royal flame.... search, read, build, ask as help is needed.... just a thought....

oh yea, buy a damn star and support the board..

chris

FullsizeYota · 02-08-2005, 11:28 PM

what are your plans for it?? like mentioned keep the stock axles they are plenty strong. if you notice my sig, i have full size axles. i wouldnt have done it unless they came with the truck when i bought it....

kling-on · 02-09-2005, 07:12 AM

GET OUT THE WELDER AND HIT IT .....

DO A SEARCH IT BEEN WORKED OVER ON HERE AND WWW.IH8MUD.COM and post pic I want to do that too

BigGreenMachine · 02-09-2005, 02:01 PM

I plan on running 36's, I want the fullsize axles. Once the 350 is in I don't imagine the Toy axles will handle the mud bogging and rockcrawling I want it for. Also plan to bob the rear, gut the interior and install a strong cage/bumpers. The future will bring big tires and more hp. I want fullsize axles so i dont have to fawk with them in the future.
Is it as simple as I think, just make spring mounts for the fullsize axles and bolt them on? Aside from the steering and driveshafts of course.

PARANOID56 · 02-09-2005, 02:08 PM

thats about it, just put the purches on, and weld er up. then you will have to adapt a toyota end on the drive shaft. and hook up some steering.
not too dificult.
oh, and dont worry about all these slackers, they were all newbies at one time
SHane

kling-on · 02-09-2005, 02:18 PM

since you have to change the mounts anyway make sure you use some longer springs 54 or 56 even.... rears from newer chevys and ford ... MO FLEX

cruiserman · 02-09-2005, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigGreenMachine

Need some info on putting a 8 lug 14bolt and Dana 60 from a 70's K20 on a stock FJ60.

James

Did GM put 1 ton axles under a K20?

RustyNailJustin · 02-09-2005, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cruiserman

Did GM put 1 ton axles under a K20?

Nope. Those had 14 bolt and 44.

RustyNailJustin · 02-09-2005, 04:50 PM

If you are looking for somthing thats already set up for 1tons,hydro,GM V8, bobtailed. The body is kinda beat but a new set of fenders and a little TLC it would look awesome. I will be selling the body and frame as you see it here soon, for cheep. I hate to take this baby apart but its replacment is just bad to the bone!

RustyNailJustin · 02-09-2005, 04:58 PM

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BigGreenMachine · 02-09-2005, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PARANOID56

thats about it, just put the purches on, and weld er up. then you will have to adapt a toyota end on the drive shaft. and hook up some steering.
not too dificult.
oh, and dont worry about all these slackers, they were all newbies at one time
SHane

Awsome, best advice I've heard all day lol.
I'll double check the badges on the K truck and figure out for sure that its what I need. I know it has a 14bolt, a 3/4 ton 8 lug 44 wouldn't be a bad swap.

Rat70FJ · 02-09-2005, 08:36 PM

QUOTE=BigGreenMachine]
a 3/4 ton 8 lug 44 wouldn't be a bad swap.[/QUOTE]

The 44 would be a waste of tim as an upgrade, other than being wider. There's good stuff for the L/C axles which make them stronger than a 44. If you're gonna do all the work, don't fuck around with a 44. Put in a 60. K30s had a perfect donor axle.

RustyNailJustin · 02-09-2005, 08:39 PM

Its not so cut and dry as explaned by "paranoid56" If you use a 60 the pirch on the drivewr side is cast into the differential so you pretty much have to move your spring hangers out about 1.5 inches on both sides. The back just cut and weld. If you have a 44 insted of a 60 I would not even wast my time a 44 is no stronger than cruiser with longs. go D60 or go home!

RustyNailJustin · 02-09-2005, 08:43 PM

Also what Tcase? if you keep the FJ60 case you are going to have a centerd 14B so you have to do a case or build an off set 14 bolt. Just some more stuff to think about.

RustyNailJustin · 02-09-2005, 09:00 PM

Here dude now I am really nurseing you along. I even searched for you

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...0&page=1&pp=40

RickFJ60 · 02-09-2005, 09:01 PM

Check Mine out .... I did a D60 front D70 rear swap ..the D70 rolled right under worked great , the D60 on the other hand was apain moving the mounts out ...If you want I will send you my web link etc with everything on it

kling-on · 02-10-2005, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustyNailJustin

If you are looking for somthing thats already set up for 1tons,hydro,GM V8, bobtailed. The body is kinda beat but a new set of fenders and a little TLC it would look awesome. I will be selling the body and frame as you see it here soon, for cheep. I hate to take this baby apart but its replacment is just bad to the bone!

PM ME please HOW MUCH AND WHAT STAYIN IN IT>>>>

kling-on · 02-10-2005, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rat70FJ

QUOTE=BigGreenMachine]
a 3/4 ton 8 lug 44 wouldn't be a bad swap.

The 44 would be a waste of tim as an upgrade, other than being wider. There's good stuff for the L/C axles which make them stronger than a 44. If you're gonna do all the work, don't fuck around with a 44. Put in a 60. K30s had a perfect donor axle.[/QUOTE]

The D44 swap is the same strenth axle BUT is also the same perch width as the d60 so for fabbing the set up it will work till you find the D60 ... remember its also about a1 1-2 shorter than the 60 if mock it all up

morgan · 02-10-2005, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigGreenMachine

Is it as simple as I think, just make spring mounts for the fullsize axles and bolt them on? Aside from the steering and driveshafts of course.

Not sure what you mean by "full-size axles", but if it's a Dana 60, it'll have the spring perch for one side cast into the diff housing. The frame width of an FJ60 is a good bit narrower than the frame width of whatever the Dana 60 came from, so you'll end up with an axle that sticks out more on one side than the other. You'll need to either outboard your spring hangers (ugly) or go coil-over, or...?

I'm going 1-ton on my FJ55. This is what I've done / I'm doing:

Chevy Dana 60 narrowed to 64"
Cab & chassis 14-bolt shaved & plated, 63" wms-wms
63" Chevy 1-ton springs rear
Aftermarket +2" cruiser springs front
high-steer, scout ps with ram assist
tbi 350
sm465
np203
Off-Road Designs NP203<->NP205 adapter
Chevy NP205 with bigger bearings, more splines
CV Unlimited parking brake, driveshafts
12-bolt hummer wheels, re-centered to 4" backspacing
38.5x14.5 TSL SX tires

Maybe someday I'll bob it too, but the storage space is nice if you fill it with people.

Morgan

cruiserman · 02-10-2005, 07:50 AM

Morgan, who is narrowing the D60 for you? How much?

dog walker · 02-10-2005, 08:10 AM

Quote:

The 44 would be a waste of tim as an upgrade,

Give me a break...... What you meant to say was it would be a waste of time in "your" inexperienced opinion! You obviously do not know.

Sorry in advance for being rude, but somtimes it's just gotta be done!

Gunmetalcruz · 02-10-2005, 08:35 AM

I'm with Jeff, I would be stoked to have more options on shafts and to be able to see what breaks instead of a closed knuckle. Also the bad batch of longs is a royal pain for some of my friends. Easier to just avoid, and get junkyard shafts. I still do believe that the og longs are sronger then a 44 with ctm's and warn's. Drop all that coin into a turd front end with the new cromo shiz seems like a waste. I wouldn't feel so strongly if advocates of the turd front end didn't keep comparing them to 60's. When Long claims 40-44 inch tires are fine with the new stuff, is seems stupid. Yota axles will never be 60's and shouldn't be compared.

RustyNailJustin · 02-10-2005, 09:48 AM

Very true, "yota axles will never be 60's and shouldn't be compaired"
Put a 60 stub by a birfield and the differance is insane. I have said it 100s of times, with first hand experence. I ran every after market birfield know to man and I broke them all. Every time I went wheeling I broke at least 1. I swaped to a 60 and have not broke jack shit. Now I can drive the way I want to and not worry about breaking a stupid birf!

02-08-2005, 08:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
BigGreenMachine Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Member # 42457 Posts: 14	Fullsize 1-ton GM axles on a stock FJ60 Need some info on putting a 8 lug 14bolt and Dana 60 from a 70's K20 on a stock FJ60. Whats it gonna take? Oh and first post, awsome site. Looking for some info on a spring project I want to do. Fullsize axles, bobbed rear, lockers, crossover steering and a 350 in a good condition FJ60. James

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toy4fun Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Member # 20879 Location: Helper, UT Posts: 148	freking newbe if your fj60 has a drive train just lift and lock and sale your d60 front (to me, not for my toy) to pay for the lift and lock if it brakes then fix it welcome newbe __________________ What?

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DHONDAGOD Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Member # 34369 Location: CENTRAL CALIFORNIA Posts: 3,132	welcome to pirate.. recc lurking a couple months before posting silly questions... stuff like this is asking for a royal flame.... search, read, build, ask as help is needed.... just a thought.... oh yea, buy a damn star and support the board.. chris __________________ [COLOR="Magenta"][QUOTE=Earl_of_Burl] Q: What is Hell? A: A place that is without God. Q: How do you find God to avoid Hell? A: Through his son, Jesus Christ. Q: What does this mean to me? A: If you are living your life without accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior, you are on the road to Hell.[/QUOTE][/COLOR]

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FullsizeYota Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 24876 Location: Southern Utaarrrr Posts: 1,291	what are your plans for it?? like mentioned keep the stock axles they are plenty strong. if you notice my sig, i have full size axles. i wouldnt have done it unless they came with the truck when i bought it.... __________________ [COLOR="Lime"]'85 Toyota ext cab. 4 cyl. 5.29s. Chromoly birfs. dual cases. hi-steer. OBA. front ARB. rear welded. cage.[/COLOR]

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kling-on Kool Arrow Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13666 Location: pimpin parts in San Antonio, TX Posts: 2,827	GET OUT THE WELDER AND HIT IT ..... DO A SEARCH IT BEEN WORKED OVER ON HERE AND WWW.IH8MUD.COM and post pic I want to do that too __________________ 82 FJ60 5.3, 4L60E, SOA, 35's, 456's, lockrights, ARB bull & side bars and warn 12k 85FJ60 SOLD 82BJ42 3B,H55, Fj60 p/s.... And a boat load of parts in the garage GIT-R-DONE!!!! low riders want SWITCHES... 4 wheelers want SHIFTERS

02-09-2005, 02:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
BigGreenMachine Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Member # 42457 Posts: 14	I plan on running 36's, I want the fullsize axles. Once the 350 is in I don't imagine the Toy axles will handle the mud bogging and rockcrawling I want it for. Also plan to bob the rear, gut the interior and install a strong cage/bumpers. The future will bring big tires and more hp. I want fullsize axles so i dont have to fawk with them in the future. Is it as simple as I think, just make spring mounts for the fullsize axles and bolt them on? Aside from the steering and driveshafts of course.

02-09-2005, 02:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
PARANOID56 Rock God Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5114 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 1,735	thats about it, just put the purches on, and weld er up. then you will have to adapt a toyota end on the drive shaft. and hook up some steering. not too dificult. oh, and dont worry about all these slackers, they were all newbies at one time SHane __________________ 1971 FJ40 w/ rust Build up 2003 Toyota Taco double cab 2008 Subaru Impreza STI 1998 Honda XR650L TLCA member #12202 Last edited by PARANOID56; 02-09-2005 at 02:09 PM.

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kling-on Kool Arrow Join Date: Sep 2002 Member # 13666 Location: pimpin parts in San Antonio, TX Posts: 2,827	since you have to change the mounts anyway make sure you use some longer springs 54 or 56 even.... rears from newer chevys and ford ... MO FLEX __________________ 82 FJ60 5.3, 4L60E, SOA, 35's, 456's, lockrights, ARB bull & side bars and warn 12k 85FJ60 SOLD 82BJ42 3B,H55, Fj60 p/s.... And a boat load of parts in the garage GIT-R-DONE!!!! low riders want SWITCHES... 4 wheelers want SHIFTERS

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RustyNailJustin Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8568 Location: Klamath Falls,OR,Fruita,CO,Montrose,CO, Posts: 7,014	If you are looking for somthing thats already set up for 1tons,hydro,GM V8, bobtailed. The body is kinda beat but a new set of fenders and a little TLC it would look awesome. I will be selling the body and frame as you see it here soon, for cheep. I hate to take this baby apart but its replacment is just bad to the bone! Attached Images __________________ 2012 KOH Team CrossedUp, ADS, Artec, Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 9TH Place. 2011 LCQ to KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. We finished 40th 2010 KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 2009 KOH Team 435 Finished 35th.First Full Frame/Full Body To Finish KOH. TLCA# 5305 Last edited by RustyNailJustin; 02-09-2005 at 04:57 PM.

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RustyNailJustin Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8568 Location: Klamath Falls,OR,Fruita,CO,Montrose,CO, Posts: 7,014	/forum/toyota-land-cruiser/241547-easter-week-moab-pictures.html __________________ 2012 KOH Team CrossedUp, ADS, Artec, Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 9TH Place. 2011 LCQ to KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. We finished 40th 2010 KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 2009 KOH Team 435 Finished 35th.First Full Frame/Full Body To Finish KOH. TLCA# 5305

02-09-2005, 08:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
Rat70FJ Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Member # 22408 Location: Rescue, CA Posts: 3,420	QUOTE=BigGreenMachine] a 3/4 ton 8 lug 44 wouldn't be a bad swap.[/QUOTE] The 44 would be a waste of tim as an upgrade, other than being wider. There's good stuff for the L/C axles which make them stronger than a 44. If you're gonna do all the work, don't fuck around with a 44. Put in a 60. K30s had a perfect donor axle.

02-09-2005, 08:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
RustyNailJustin Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8568 Location: Klamath Falls,OR,Fruita,CO,Montrose,CO, Posts: 7,014	Its not so cut and dry as explaned by "paranoid56" If you use a 60 the pirch on the drivewr side is cast into the differential so you pretty much have to move your spring hangers out about 1.5 inches on both sides. The back just cut and weld. If you have a 44 insted of a 60 I would not even wast my time a 44 is no stronger than cruiser with longs. go D60 or go home! __________________ 2012 KOH Team CrossedUp, ADS, Artec, Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 9TH Place. 2011 LCQ to KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. We finished 40th 2010 KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 2009 KOH Team 435 Finished 35th.First Full Frame/Full Body To Finish KOH. TLCA# 5305

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RustyNailJustin Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8568 Location: Klamath Falls,OR,Fruita,CO,Montrose,CO, Posts: 7,014	Also what Tcase? if you keep the FJ60 case you are going to have a centerd 14B so you have to do a case or build an off set 14 bolt. Just some more stuff to think about. __________________ 2012 KOH Team CrossedUp, ADS, Artec, Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 9TH Place. 2011 LCQ to KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. We finished 40th 2010 KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 2009 KOH Team 435 Finished 35th.First Full Frame/Full Body To Finish KOH. TLCA# 5305

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RustyNailJustin Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8568 Location: Klamath Falls,OR,Fruita,CO,Montrose,CO, Posts: 7,014	Here dude now I am really nurseing you along. I even searched for you http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...0&page=1&pp=40 __________________ 2012 KOH Team CrossedUp, ADS, Artec, Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 9TH Place. 2011 LCQ to KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. We finished 40th 2010 KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 2009 KOH Team 435 Finished 35th.First Full Frame/Full Body To Finish KOH. TLCA# 5305

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RickFJ60 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Member # 36002 Location: Eagle River Alaska Posts: 68	LOL check mine out Check Mine out .... I did a D60 front D70 rear swap ..the D70 rolled right under worked great , the D60 on the other hand was apain moving the mounts out ...If you want I will send you my web link etc with everything on it __________________ Building the Super 60 ...SBC 383 Stroker th400 , NP203/205 . SOA Dana 60 Front Dana 70 Rear ....

02-10-2005, 07:50 AM	#22 (permalink)
cruiserman Registered User Join Date: Aug 2000 Member # 1527 Location: Idaho Posts: 1,034	Morgan, who is narrowing the D60 for you? How much? __________________ 80, '72 GMC, Odyssey

02-10-2005, 08:35 AM	#24 (permalink)
Gunmetalcruz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6569 Location: Tahoe City,Ca. Posts: 4,030	I'm with Jeff, I would be stoked to have more options on shafts and to be able to see what breaks instead of a closed knuckle. Also the bad batch of longs is a royal pain for some of my friends. Easier to just avoid, and get junkyard shafts. I still do believe that the og longs are sronger then a 44 with ctm's and warn's. Drop all that coin into a turd front end with the new cromo shiz seems like a waste. I wouldn't feel so strongly if advocates of the turd front end didn't keep comparing them to 60's. When Long claims 40-44 inch tires are fine with the new stuff, is seems stupid. Yota axles will never be 60's and shouldn't be compared. __________________ Team FOH# 321 Thanks to the people making it happen Weathertight,Polyperformance,CTM Racing Products,Levrett Transmission,BFGoodrich Tires,Kickass Offroad,Reid Racing,West Coast Differentials,Wide Open Design

02-10-2005, 09:48 AM	#25 (permalink)
RustyNailJustin Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Member # 8568 Location: Klamath Falls,OR,Fruita,CO,Montrose,CO, Posts: 7,014	Very true, "yota axles will never be 60's and shouldn't be compaired" Put a 60 stub by a birfield and the differance is insane. I have said it 100s of times, with first hand experence. I ran every after market birfield know to man and I broke them all. Every time I went wheeling I broke at least 1. I swaped to a 60 and have not broke jack shit. Now I can drive the way I want to and not worry about breaking a stupid birf! __________________ 2012 KOH Team CrossedUp, ADS, Artec, Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 9TH Place. 2011 LCQ to KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. We finished 40th 2010 KOH Team CrossedUp Mike Klensin and Justin Reece. 2009 KOH Team 435 Finished 35th.First Full Frame/Full Body To Finish KOH. TLCA# 5305

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