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TxCruzr · 07-12-2006, 07:31 PM

I found a d60 that someone has laying around and I have a few questions. Right now all I know is it is out of a 3/4 ton ford and it is a high pinion 44 front and a d60 rear and that they are only a few inches wider than a wranger.
I'll try to find out the year and what not to see if its worth it or not. I'm hoping the d44 is driver side drop so I can sell it to my brother with a family discount (+$100)

I will still be running my front cruiser ax;e still and want to keep my 6 lug rims w/ beadlocks, so i've been searching and I can't find anywhere to get the d60 from 8 lug to 6. I keep finding stuff to convert a front d60 to 6 lug so it must be possible. Who does it?
Anyone know anything about the axle with the info I have so far?
Also, what is the width of a '69 cruiser axle?

peesalot · 07-12-2006, 08:11 PM

Doug Brown , extreme axle , highonda on this board has the hubs for the rear 6 lug IIRC.

bustanutley · 07-12-2006, 08:24 PM

fj40 axle width is 55"

TxCruzr · 07-12-2006, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peesalot

Doug Brown , extreme axle , highonda on this board has the hubs for the rear 6 lug IIRC.

I sent him a pm as I found all his stuff for the front axle. It didn't look like he had anything for the ford axles, whats different?
I'll also probably have to install disc brakes to clear the 15" wheels too.

TxCruzr · 07-13-2006, 11:14 AM

Got some more info on the dana60.

Quote:

The rear is about 66"
They are off of a 70's ford 3/4 ton with leaf springs NOT COILS!!! so its about a 75 or 76.
the brakes are the twin piston calipers

Any other sources for 6 lug rear d60?

peterfj40 · 07-13-2006, 11:37 AM

never done it, but you switch it from full floater to semi using 9" axle big bearing ends and custom shafts.. so basically it becomes similar to a 9" rear or toyota 8" axle but w/ the dana 60 pumpkin

TxCruzr · 07-13-2006, 11:42 AM

So is it really worth it then? Seems like I would be spending more money to down grade it. I figured there were shafts that were 6 lug instead of 8 lug, isn't that what you would do with like a 9"?

bustanutley · 07-13-2006, 11:55 AM

Why don't you just upgrade to pig rear shafts and a fine spline rear pinion if you don't already have one? I run the smallest tires in my crew (37's) and we all run all yota drive train. The raisin runs 44's on yota axles.

TxCruzr · 07-13-2006, 12:37 PM

Going to an auto with a different t-case = need center diff.

Jason M · 07-13-2006, 12:42 PM

On a FF rear axle the hubs have the lug studs, not the shafts. The shafts are independant of the WMS

Medusa · 07-13-2006, 12:57 PM

Follow Peesalot's advice. Here is a direct link.

http://www.geartechhd.com/gallery/di...?album=2&pos=0

and a picture of the new hubs.

Advent Horizon · 07-13-2006, 12:59 PM

If you need a centered diff your best bet is the hybrid axle. By far the strongest, cheapest setup you're going to get. You'll be able to build the whole axle cheaper than just the 6 lug hubs will cost, and you won't need a special jig to narrow it.

But if you're going to the trouble of centering it, I'd do it with an IFS rear to gain 3" of width, and put the IFS hubs on the front axle too.

FJ_Dave · 07-13-2006, 01:56 PM

I'm running a rear ford dana 60 from a 1970 camper special, 8 lug full floater, with 63" wms. the above hubs will work to convert them to 6 lug.

TxCruzr · 07-13-2006, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Medusa

Follow Peesalot's advice. Here is a direct link.

http://www.geartechhd.com/gallery/di...?album=2&pos=0

and a picture of the new hubs.

Thanks for the link Medusa! I'm going to give them a call tomorrow and try to get some info from them.
I'm currently running 3" spacers so that puts me at a WMS of 61". If it is really 66", thats 5" more than what I'm at, thats kinda crazy. If its 63" that'll be fine. I'll try to dig some info up on it.

I have looked at Proffitts mini/cruiser hybrid and it is rather reasonable, specially since I already have the 3rd to shove in there. The only thing is that I want to be able to hammer on this thing all day and not have to think about the rear end falling out. But with a bigger cruiser pinion and later down the road some bling mini shafts, maybe it will be bullet proof? Whats the comparison of a mini axle shaft, a 9"?

Gunmetalcruz · 07-13-2006, 06:42 PM

60 rear bore the spindles, 35 spline shafts, 35 spline spool or arb if you can swing it. Upgrade to a front 60 when you can. Run 8 lug and 6 lug till all 8 on all corners. Never compare 60's to yota crap. You can only polish a turd so much before turd don't float uphill. You can 5 bolt,cromo ALL DAY LONG, but in the end you wuill wish you went 8 lug 60's and let m eat. Chip away at it. Having toyoata stuff insures that you like to wrench on the trail. 60 good odds you won't have to touch them. Now that I have the yota people fired up, rant off

Advent Horizon · 07-13-2006, 08:40 PM

You could do a 'cruiser/tacoma rear hybrid...That would match the 61" that you are right now without spacers and cost roughly the same.

TxCruzr · 07-14-2006, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunmetalcruz

60 rear bore the spindles, 35 spline shafts, 35 spline spool or arb if you can swing it. Upgrade to a front 60 when you can. Run 8 lug and 6 lug till all 8 on all corners. Never compare 60's to yota crap. You can only polish a turd so much before turd don't float uphill. You can 5 bolt,cromo ALL DAY LONG, but in the end you wuill wish you went 8 lug 60's and let m eat. Chip away at it. Having toyoata stuff insures that you like to wrench on the trail. 60 good odds you won't have to touch them. Now that I have the yota people fired up, rant off

I would like to do that but the whole college kid thing comes into play. I have 6 lug beadlocks that are staying and the front will be staying for a while too. I still DD it and need to carry a spare to having 6 & 8 lug wouldn't work.
I talked to Doug at extreme axle and he gave me some options but it really starts jacking the price up quick. I just happened to fall on this axle and was trying to see if it would work. Just trying to slowly collect parts right now.
Also been looking at the ford 9" but it seems like I'd run into the same thing as the d60 but with less strength. Such a pain

High5 · 07-14-2006, 08:42 PM

the ford d60 is not worth it in my opinion. that is unless you are planning on throwing money at it. it will come with the 30 spline shafts and be significantly wider than your cruiser front axle. you also know that it will have 8 lugs and that would have to be addressed.

i say find a centered taco rear axle or even a t100 (depending on desired width)and run that. money wise it just makes sense. the only real thing to worry about then is matching the gear ratio's. just my op.

Wilson · 07-14-2006, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TxCruzr

Also been looking at the ford 9" but it seems like I'd run into the same thing as the d60 but with less strength. Such a pain

I wouldn't consider a stock D60 to be stronger than a stock 9" by much. A slightly larger ring gear yes, put the 9" has better pinion support and 31 spl shafts.

TxCruzr · 07-14-2006, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by High5

i say find a centered taco rear axle or even a t100 (depending on desired width)and run that. money wise it just makes sense. the only real thing to worry about then is matching the gear ratio's. just my op.

I really think that is the route I will probably end up going. Proffitt has a good deal on a mini/cruiser axle which would keep me from having to mess with regearing and throwing in a locker. Off to the mini truck forum to pester them

orangefj45 · 07-14-2006, 10:15 PM

splitpea runs 6 lug 60s front and rear. send him a pm.

07-12-2006, 07:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
TxCruzr Wait this ain't Tx.. Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9380 Location: Del Boca Vista, AZ Posts: 2,191	Rear 60 question I found a d60 that someone has laying around and I have a few questions. Right now all I know is it is out of a 3/4 ton ford and it is a high pinion 44 front and a d60 rear and that they are only a few inches wider than a wranger. I'll try to find out the year and what not to see if its worth it or not. I'm hoping the d44 is driver side drop so I can sell it to my brother with a family discount (+$100) I will still be running my front cruiser ax;e still and want to keep my 6 lug rims w/ beadlocks, so i've been searching and I can't find anywhere to get the d60 from 8 lug to 6. I keep finding stuff to convert a front d60 to 6 lug so it must be possible. Who does it? Anyone know anything about the axle with the info I have so far? Also, what is the width of a '69 cruiser axle? __________________ "There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." -Ernest Hemingway '69 FJ-40 - under construction

07-12-2006, 08:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
peesalot Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 24859 Location: Where ever my wife says Posts: 4,566	Doug Brown , extreme axle , highonda on this board has the hubs for the rear 6 lug IIRC. __________________ Mellonhead

07-12-2006, 08:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
bustanutley Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Member # 23362 Location: denvah Posts: 458	fj40 axle width is 55" __________________ FJ40

07-13-2006, 11:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
peterfj40 Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Member # 918 Location: San Jose Posts: 1,525	never done it, but you switch it from full floater to semi using 9" axle big bearing ends and custom shafts.. so basically it becomes similar to a 9" rear or toyota 8" axle but w/ the dana 60 pumpkin __________________ '65 fj45 Last edited by peterfj40; 07-13-2006 at 11:38 AM.

07-13-2006, 11:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
TxCruzr Wait this ain't Tx.. Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9380 Location: Del Boca Vista, AZ Posts: 2,191	So is it really worth it then? Seems like I would be spending more money to down grade it. I figured there were shafts that were 6 lug instead of 8 lug, isn't that what you would do with like a 9"? __________________ "There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." -Ernest Hemingway '69 FJ-40 - under construction

07-13-2006, 11:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
bustanutley Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Member # 23362 Location: denvah Posts: 458	Why don't you just upgrade to pig rear shafts and a fine spline rear pinion if you don't already have one? I run the smallest tires in my crew (37's) and we all run all yota drive train. The raisin runs 44's on yota axles. __________________ FJ40

07-13-2006, 12:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
TxCruzr Wait this ain't Tx.. Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9380 Location: Del Boca Vista, AZ Posts: 2,191	Going to an auto with a different t-case = need center diff. __________________ "There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." -Ernest Hemingway '69 FJ-40 - under construction

07-13-2006, 12:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jason M Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Member # 5286 Location: Vegas Posts: 9,827	On a FF rear axle the hubs have the lug studs, not the shafts. The shafts are independant of the WMS __________________ DEAR MADAM: THANK YOU FOR YOUR RECENT ORDER FROM OUR SEX TOYS WEBSITE. YOU'VE REQUESTED THE LARGE RED VIBRATOR AS FEATURED ON OUR WALL DISPLAY. PLEASE SELECT ANOTHER ITEM. THAT'S OUR FIRE EXTINGUISHER

07-13-2006, 12:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
Medusa Old Rock Doc Join Date: May 2000 Member # 915 Location: Fargher Lake FrankenCruiser Lab Posts: 1,648	Follow Peesalot's advice. Here is a direct link. http://www.geartechhd.com/gallery/di...?album=2&pos=0 and a picture of the new hubs. Attached Images __________________ Got Rice? Last edited by Medusa; 07-13-2006 at 01:03 PM.

07-13-2006, 12:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
Advent Horizon Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9639 Location: Eagle River, Ak, Fairbanks, AK Posts: 738	If you need a centered diff your best bet is the hybrid axle. By far the strongest, cheapest setup you're going to get. You'll be able to build the whole axle cheaper than just the 6 lug hubs will cost, and you won't need a special jig to narrow it. But if you're going to the trouble of centering it, I'd do it with an IFS rear to gain 3" of width, and put the IFS hubs on the front axle too. __________________ '76 FJ40, "GIR". A bigger money pit than my tuition! TLCA member #12717

07-13-2006, 01:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
FJ_Dave Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Member # 48807 Location: Middletown, Ca. Posts: 625	I'm running a rear ford dana 60 from a 1970 camper special, 8 lug full floater, with 63" wms. the above hubs will work to convert them to 6 lug. __________________ Jeeps are cool... BARBIE HAS ONE!

07-13-2006, 06:42 PM	#15 (permalink)
Gunmetalcruz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6569 Location: Tahoe City,Ca. Posts: 4,030	60 rear bore the spindles, 35 spline shafts, 35 spline spool or arb if you can swing it. Upgrade to a front 60 when you can. Run 8 lug and 6 lug till all 8 on all corners. Never compare 60's to yota crap. You can only polish a turd so much before turd don't float uphill. You can 5 bolt,cromo ALL DAY LONG, but in the end you wuill wish you went 8 lug 60's and let m eat. Chip away at it. Having toyoata stuff insures that you like to wrench on the trail. 60 good odds you won't have to touch them. Now that I have the yota people fired up, rant off __________________ Team FOH# 321 Thanks to the people making it happen Weathertight,Polyperformance,CTM Racing Products,Levrett Transmission,BFGoodrich Tires,Kickass Offroad,Reid Racing,West Coast Differentials,Wide Open Design

07-13-2006, 08:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
Advent Horizon Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Member # 9639 Location: Eagle River, Ak, Fairbanks, AK Posts: 738	You could do a 'cruiser/tacoma rear hybrid...That would match the 61" that you are right now without spacers and cost roughly the same. __________________ '76 FJ40, "GIR". A bigger money pit than my tuition! TLCA member #12717

07-14-2006, 08:42 PM	#18 (permalink)
High5 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Member # 1700 Location: TEXAS Posts: 4,308	the ford d60 is not worth it in my opinion. that is unless you are planning on throwing money at it. it will come with the 30 spline shafts and be significantly wider than your cruiser front axle. you also know that it will have 8 lugs and that would have to be addressed. i say find a centered taco rear axle or even a t100 (depending on desired width)and run that. money wise it just makes sense. the only real thing to worry about then is matching the gear ratio's. just my op. __________________ High5 IT'S 1TON O' FUN!

07-14-2006, 10:15 PM	#21 (permalink)
orangefj45 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Member # 6816 Location: Fawk if I know Posts: 15,276	splitpea runs 6 lug 60s front and rear. send him a pm. __________________ Maybe you outta stick to legos!

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