Diesel 4BT or 6BT - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum

markie · 06-29-2007, 08:25 PM

Anyone have thoughts on either the 4BT or 6BT Diesel Engine as a swap for a 3.4L Engine on a 1999-2001 Tacoma?

800MJ · 07-01-2007, 07:55 AM

you can make it work with the 4bt. as in, it would fit. and with a 4bt you can run all the popular chevy and ford 5spd granny trannys. would be a very awsome swap, but NOTHING bolt on about it. probly the more difficult of engine swaps. but theres a website forum for 4bt swaps. google it

markie · 07-01-2007, 10:56 AM

Would you recommend it for Rock Crawling? The engine must be very heavy probably sticks well below where it should.

toyin · 07-01-2007, 01:15 PM

The 4bt would be a sweet swap. I has TONS of torque for crawling. It can get bolted to the ford/chevy 4/5 speeds and have alot of options for power mods.

markie · 07-01-2007, 02:54 PM

What I am afraid of is, the extra torque twisting the frame and the axles if they aren't dana 60's. I could get custom axles to fix that problem, but the frame is kind of a problem?

BumpyDodge · 07-01-2007, 04:03 PM

What are you smoking?!

A 6bt weighs about 1100lbs by itself. My '91 Dodge W250 regular cab weighs just over 6,000lbs total with a full tank (20 gallons) of diesel and a cheapo tool box in the back. I weighed my rig at a truck stop last week because I'm trying to find new front springs that ride a little better. The 4BT's weigh around 750/800lbs depending on who you ask.
My front axle weight - 3610 lb
My rear axle weight - 2480 lb
(weights are actual - from a CAT scale. Not mfg specs or intardnet rumor)

Tacoma curb weight - about 3600 lbs from looking at mfg specs
(that's the whole damn truck, not just one axle)

So you can see a Cummins truck's front axle curb weight is about the same as your total curb weight. Light is GOOD for wheeling, thats why Toyotas can go places I can't.

By the time you upgraded the rest of your Taco's suspension and drivetrain to handle the weight/torque of a B series Cummins, there wouldn't be anything stock left on the truck. If you want to do a diesel conversion, get something that either came U.S. spec with a diesel, or a truck over 25 years old. IMHO you'd be ruining a perfectly good Toyota trying to shoehorn a Cummins into it and it would be nearly impossible to ever make EPA legal.

If you want to do it, go ahead, but you're essentially trying to build a Dodge (which has a 6BT and dana 60/70 rears) out of a Toyota. What's the point of trying to reinvent the wheel?

markie · 07-01-2007, 04:17 PM

Thats what I needed to hear. Thanks.

AddictedOffroad · 07-01-2007, 04:19 PM

This guy is clueless. He's a poser and a troll from TTORA.

He has no clue what he wants and can't afford to do it anyway. Previously he wanted to put in D60s into his Taco, but was just going to "use his current Toyota gears in them". Seriously, he's that clueless.

Markie, go back to TTORA. You are not ready for Pirate yet.

When you do about a year or two of research on what it will take to put a 4BT into a rig(and what it costs), then call me and I will teach you the rest.

markie · 07-01-2007, 04:35 PM

Dude who the hell are you?

BumpyDodge · 07-01-2007, 05:22 PM

Hey Scotty, if this guy's clueless then I don't feel bad hijacking his thread...
1)What's the weight distribution front-to-rear with a 4bt in an FJ?
2)How do you get around emissions testing?

P.S. Hats off to you for getting a 700r4 to cooperate with a 4bt and a toyota T-case. "Complicated" is an understatement.

markie · 07-01-2007, 05:29 PM

Anyways, thanks for the info Bumpy, I figured it was going to be a heavy engine.

AddictedOffroad · 07-01-2007, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BumpyDodge

Hey Scotty, if this guy's clueless then I don't feel bad hijacking his thread...
1)What's the weight distribution front-to-rear with a 4bt in an FJ?
2)How do you get around emissions testing?

P.S. Hats off to you for getting a 700r4 to cooperate with a 4bt and a toyota T-case. "Complicated" is an understatement.

Weight is roughly 750-800 lbs on the engine. Its about 200lbs heavier than the stock one. The 700R4 coversion isn't all that tough. Its basically a cut down 2WD output shaft with Downey adpater on the ass. Advanced Adapters bought out a huge supply of Downey's adapters recently, so that is where to get them. We use a split Tcase form a 62 series to get it to work, fab the shift linkage to work(that is a bitch) and then set it all up. The TB cable is extremely moody and needs to be damn near perfect to get it to work correctly and not up-shift too soon or too late.

Emissions testing: I live/work in a smog free county out in CO. No emissions testing on gas powered rigs out here. Only diesels. Since the FJ60/80 is originally a gas powered rig, its exempt. I do set them up to be able to pass an emissions test though. Emissions testing out here is nothing like CA.

Oh, and "Markie". You can eat a dick.

markie · 07-02-2007, 06:05 AM

Who the fuck is this guy? Seriously, go mind your own business you don't know me.

AddictedOffroad · 07-02-2007, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markie

Who the fuck is this guy? Seriously, go mind your own business you don't know me.

You're the troll from TTORA. Yeah, the guy who rips on for sale posts and asks stupid questions and tries to be a badass all the time.

Do you really want me to post links to your stupid ass threads???

See, you're this guy:

http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64930
My personal favorite qoute:
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showpost....02&postcount=8

Some more:
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73100
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73098
True trolling here:
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62420

Please pull your head out of your ass. Pirate is not like TTORA. Its way above your head. Leave dipshit.

jasonmt · 07-02-2007, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markie

Who the fuck is this guy? Seriously, go mind your own business you don't know me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toyotaholics.com

You're the troll from TTORA. Yeah, the guy who rips on for sale posts and asks stupid questions and tries to be a badass all the time.

Do you really want me to post links to your stupid ass threads???

See, you're this guy:

http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64930
My personal favorite qoute:
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showpost....02&postcount=8

Some more:
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73100
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73098
True trolling here:
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62420

Please pull your head out of your ass. Pirate is not like TTORA. Its way above your head. Leave dipshit.

I really liked the "galacticly stupid" comment, if the TTORA forum is calling markie that his stay here should be both short and entertaining.

locotaco85 · 07-02-2007, 08:37 PM

http://www.ttora.com/forum/showpost....5&postcount=66

Priceless.

800MJ · 07-07-2007, 08:25 AM

OMFG i cant believe i actualy gave this peice of shit advice! but do me a favor and stick around so i can read up on how much you get flamed. ttora did shit to you. pirate will make you cry

06-29-2007, 08:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
markie Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 94473 Posts: 27	Diesel 4BT or 6BT Anyone have thoughts on either the 4BT or 6BT Diesel Engine as a swap for a 3.4L Engine on a 1999-2001 Tacoma?

07-01-2007, 07:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
800MJ Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 64089 Location: CT Posts: 886	you can make it work with the 4bt. as in, it would fit. and with a 4bt you can run all the popular chevy and ford 5spd granny trannys. would be a very awsome swap, but NOTHING bolt on about it. probly the more difficult of engine swaps. but theres a website forum for 4bt swaps. google it __________________ [QUOTE=roastbeef;10323284]last night, this girl was sucking my dick and she stated licking my balls and then she starteld likcing my ass. i almost nuttd right on top of her fucking head before i got to stick it in her. im drunk.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sucker;10784484]ok straight six and reliable don't go together. But have fun with that one.[/QUOTE]

07-01-2007, 01:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
toyin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Member # 56751 Location: Torrington, Wy Posts: 1,300	The 4bt would be a sweet swap. I has TONS of torque for crawling. It can get bolted to the ford/chevy 4/5 speeds and have alot of options for power mods. __________________ ‎4x4 is like a condom... its better to have it and not use it than need it and be FUCKED LOL 2007 5.9 cummins, CC, SB = Tow Bitch 1984 Toyota Pick up 4.3/4l60/build yota axles and 37" and a pretty paint job 1987 Buick Grand National 6.0/TC76 turbo/4L80E 1996 Toyota T100, 40's, 60/14B

07-01-2007, 04:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
AddictedOffroad Pirate4x4 Addict! Join Date: Sep 2006 Member # 79221 Location: Windsor, CO Posts: 7,511 Blog Entries: 1	This guy is clueless. He's a poser and a troll from TTORA. He has no clue what he wants and can't afford to do it anyway. Previously he wanted to put in D60s into his Taco, but was just going to "use his current Toyota gears in them". Seriously, he's that clueless. Markie, go back to TTORA. You are not ready for Pirate yet. When you do about a year or two of research on what it will take to put a 4BT into a rig(and what it costs), then call me and I will teach you the rest. __________________ Scotty http://www.AddictedOffroad.com/ 970-420-4198 Toyota Winch bumpers on SALE! 10% OFF ALL TRAIL-GEAR PARTS! Project "Always Smooth" Toyota based U4 buggy Last edited by AddictedOffroad; 07-02-2007 at 09:21 PM.

07-07-2007, 08:25 AM	#17 (permalink)
800MJ Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Member # 64089 Location: CT Posts: 886	OMFG i cant believe i actualy gave this peice of shit advice! but do me a favor and stick around so i can read up on how much you get flamed. ttora did shit to you. pirate will make you cry __________________ [QUOTE=roastbeef;10323284]last night, this girl was sucking my dick and she stated licking my balls and then she starteld likcing my ass. i almost nuttd right on top of her fucking head before i got to stick it in her. im drunk.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sucker;10784484]ok straight six and reliable don't go together. But have fun with that one.[/QUOTE]

07-01-2007, 10:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
markie Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 94473 Posts: 27	Would you recommend it for Rock Crawling? The engine must be very heavy probably sticks well below where it should.

07-01-2007, 02:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
markie Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 94473 Posts: 27	What I am afraid of is, the extra torque twisting the frame and the axles if they aren't dana 60's. I could get custom axles to fix that problem, but the frame is kind of a problem?

07-01-2007, 04:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
BumpyDodge Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Member # 48682 Location: ATL GA Posts: 1,386	What are you smoking?! A 6bt weighs about 1100lbs by itself. My '91 Dodge W250 regular cab weighs just over 6,000lbs total with a full tank (20 gallons) of diesel and a cheapo tool box in the back. I weighed my rig at a truck stop last week because I'm trying to find new front springs that ride a little better. The 4BT's weigh around 750/800lbs depending on who you ask. My front axle weight - 3610 lb My rear axle weight - 2480 lb (weights are actual - from a CAT scale. Not mfg specs or intardnet rumor) Tacoma curb weight - about 3600 lbs from looking at mfg specs (that's the whole damn truck, not just one axle) So you can see a Cummins truck's front axle curb weight is about the same as your total curb weight. Light is GOOD for wheeling, thats why Toyotas can go places I can't. By the time you upgraded the rest of your Taco's suspension and drivetrain to handle the weight/torque of a B series Cummins, there wouldn't be anything stock left on the truck. If you want to do a diesel conversion, get something that either came U.S. spec with a diesel, or a truck over 25 years old. IMHO you'd be ruining a perfectly good Toyota trying to shoehorn a Cummins into it and it would be nearly impossible to ever make EPA legal. If you want to do it, go ahead, but you're essentially trying to build a Dodge (which has a 6BT and dana 60/70 rears) out of a Toyota. What's the point of trying to reinvent the wheel?

07-01-2007, 04:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
markie Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 94473 Posts: 27	Thats what I needed to hear. Thanks.

07-01-2007, 04:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
markie Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 94473 Posts: 27	Dude who the hell are you?

07-01-2007, 05:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
BumpyDodge Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Member # 48682 Location: ATL GA Posts: 1,386	Hey Scotty, if this guy's clueless then I don't feel bad hijacking his thread... 1)What's the weight distribution front-to-rear with a 4bt in an FJ? 2)How do you get around emissions testing? P.S. Hats off to you for getting a 700r4 to cooperate with a 4bt and a toyota T-case. "Complicated" is an understatement.

07-01-2007, 05:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
markie Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 94473 Posts: 27	Anyways, thanks for the info Bumpy, I figured it was going to be a heavy engine.

07-02-2007, 06:05 AM	#13 (permalink)
markie Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Member # 94473 Posts: 27	Who the fuck is this guy? Seriously, go mind your own business you don't know me.

07-02-2007, 08:37 PM	#16 (permalink)
locotaco85 Wheeler Join Date: Nov 2004 Member # 39143 Location: The wrong coast Posts: 419	http://www.ttora.com/forum/showpost....5&postcount=66 Priceless.

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