My Polished Turd. . . . 1997 4Runner

[shiftrider66]

Originally Posted by Fawk Awph

the fucking fuel system is all fagged. seriously had like 20 gallons in the tank and it wouldnt run. let it set for a couple hours and it was good, then 30 min later is was fucked again.

Not sure what you're running for a fuel pump.

My mustang would run great then die, and 20-30 mins later be fine again.

My issue was my fuel pump was overheating, replaced it and havent had the issue since.

[Fawk Awph]

So I want to sell this thing. I'm thinking about fixing everything that up with it and looking for $13k. I want to race. Building this runner was a wrong move. I'll sell it for $10k without the birfs and I'll swap in a 14b without an arb.

[Fawk Awph]

well, with little interest in the runner im thinking about making this thing a Mod Class racers.

ive been doing a lot of reading about using a DE ram as a tie rod/ram for hydro assist and im thinking about doing it.

going to be buiding a whole new and improved 3 link using an FJ80 box again, much longer panhard and my 2.5x1.5x8 doubled ended ram as the tierod. im going to build my highsteer arms into a artec wanna be set up and run mid steer.

ill be leaving the DE ram where it is, the panhard will mount off the ram mount infront of the DE ram and draglink.

i will be able to swap out my orbital for a box and back again with little effort. as well as removing and install the upper link on the pass side. and again removing and installing the panhard/draglink easily. should be able to either run a 4 link full hydro, or a 3 link hydro assist with 30 min of work.

also, the new rules will need a 2x4 frame from motor mounts to back of front seats. ill need to add to my 2x3 for about 10" which wont interfere with anything.

ill be cutting the rear frame off and building a new one for a 4link and new fuel cell.

then, full 2" interior cage, install my window-less doors and rear hatch.

i know im all about how heavy this thing is, but i think with good shock tuning and keeping the current weight it will be much better than poor tuning and 1000lbs lighter.

[IRUNROCKS]

I envy your motivation
my shit broke two months ago and i still havent touched it

[norcrawler]

haha same here^^

Originally Posted by Fawk Awph

should be able to either run a 4 link full hydro, or a 3 link hydro assist with 30 min of work.

this would be legit

[Fawk Awph]

just sitting and waiting until all my paychecks are in and bills are paid, then its game on.

[kiyul4130]

now your just going back and forth which makes no sense. then trying to "race" which im pretty sure means more or less attempt LCQ, sounds like a ton of work. racing isnt in your or 98% of peoples budget. why dont you just part the thing out. basically keep everything but the frame and the cab. sell off all of it thats functional and works that you dont want. you could recoup plenty of money for some new tools and a boat load of tube to build a chassis. just build a buggy out of everything you have. it would be 2000lbs lighter and you wouldnt have to worry about some body getting beat. or.....get another 2nd gen cab and do it up like your old truck but with the powertrain you have now in it. that or a buggy seems a lot cooler to me than trying to go for LCQ once. forget the snow, its gay anyways. its cool to get a fix once a year and thats about it. you can take a buggy up there, just go when the weather is perfect out. the snow will guaranteed suck but whatever, you were able to go up there.

[David D]

Originally Posted by Fawk Awph

going to be buiding a whole new and improved 3 link using an FJ80 box again, much longer panhard and my 2.5x1.5x8 doubled ended ram as the tierod.

I feel like your steering would be stupid slow trying to use a 2.5" ram as the assist ram. I've driven some hydro assist setup's with 2" rams, and there pretty damn slow.

[doof89]

I have to agree with Kyle. You dont want the runner, so why keep it and build it to race. You already know its heavy as fuck which is annoying and will be top heavy like a mother Fucket after you cage it. I say sell the bitch, build a buggy or build a first gen again if you want to have a body. Runners are for old people anyway

[Fawk Awph]

Originally Posted by David D

I feel like your steering would be stupid slow trying to use a 2.5" ram as the assist ram. I've driven some hydro assist setup's with 2" rams, and there pretty damn slow.

double ended ram with 2.5 bore and 1.5 shaft vs a 1.5 single ended ram with 1.5 bore and .625 shaft. do the math.

and its got some new shoes.

[94toytruck]

If it wasnt done pop the back bead and wrap the wheels with 3 wraps of duct tape so the back beads dont leak. I hope those are a stepping stone, keep the wheels and sell the tires. After running 2 set's of them I can honestly say I will never run a maddog again

[mrkarl]

Originally Posted by doof89

Runners are for old people anyway

Originally Posted by doof89

Runners are for old people anyway

Originally Posted by doof89

Runners are for old people anyway

Originally Posted by doof89

Runners are for old people anyway

Originally Posted by doof89

Runners are for old people anyway

Originally Posted by doof89

Runners are for old people anyway

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[David D]

Originally Posted by Fawk Awph

double ended ram with 2.5 bore and 1.5 shaft vs a 1.5 single ended ram with 1.5 bore and .625 shaft. do the math.

I have a 2.5 1.5 shaft ram is ~25 cu in in either direction. A 1.5 .625 shaft is ~14 cu in extended and ~11.5 retracted. I am fairly positive on that too, but I will admit math isn't my best subject. I was thinking a 2" bore 1.25 shaft double ended ram would be better which is ~15 cu in in each direction.

[Fawk Awph]

You are correct. I should probably step down in ram size for that. It's about the same as my 2" ram I had before, a little slow for power slides, but worked well Offroad.


And ya, the 2x8x1.25 ram is 15.32 each way which is only a hair more than a 1.5" SE @ 14.16 cu/in.

[Fawk Awph]

Originally Posted by 94toytruck

If it wasnt done pop the back bead and wrap the wheels with 3 wraps of duct tape so the back beads dont leak. I hope those are a stepping stone, keep the wheels and sell the tires. After running 2 set's of them I can honestly say I will never run a maddog again

They are there for sale purposes only. And ya, all the precautions have been done to keep them on the beads.

[jimmysc13]

Originally Posted by Fawk Awph

So I want to sell this thing. I'm thinking about fixing everything that up with it and looking for $13k. I want to race..

I came from racing, Road Racing.

It's expensive, STUPID STUPID STUPID expensive.

Even on the "cheap" it's expensive. It makes a wheeler look like chump change...

Safety equipment, is one of the biggest $$$.

And then you should budget ~$400 in "wear" items for every weekend you race.

If you are talking about rally racing, then that gets even worse. With all racing the question is "when will i crash my car?" but with rally racing the question is "how many times will i crash my car this year?"

I got out of it because of rules/bullshit/drama. But also for the $$$ i was spending every penny to race, plus some one credit.

Even a "cheap" class like SM, or nasa's SE30 is expensive. I don't think you could race one of those for less than $800 a weekend. And that's being a cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap SOB.

[gottoys2000]

You could always build/buy an Ftoy and race relatively cheaply that way. It may not win KOH but it would get you seat time and a glimpse of what competition is all about.

[Booger Weldz]

Id buy a frame and transfer all ur gear over to it. Remember thews runners buggy? Toy 3.4, etc in a trent fab chassis... It was badass! I wouldnt wanna sell stuff in the current market/economy.... You have lots of good parts u can use and not loo$e ur ass selling stuff .40-.60 cents on the dollar

[kiyul4130]

its pointless to race this runner callen.....think about it for longer than 12 hours. just build a buggy out of your shit and sell the body/frame.

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by kiyul4130

its pointless to race this runner callen.....think about it for longer than 12 hours. just build a buggy out of your shit and sell the body/frame.

Because the body and frame are worth what.... $500?

[Hyena]

Not even

[Wilson]

My point..... Sell it and start over, mod it or let it rot for two fuckin years in his parents garage.... What to do, what to do?

[94toytruck]

Trash the hell out of it and drive it like the old truggy till you get sick of it. By then cut it up and recycle whats left. We all knew what was going to happen to this rig when the build started

[Fawk Awph]

meh, just paying bills, not much $$ for anything right now. one things for sure, its getting a cage.

[ErikB]

Originally Posted by Fawk Awph

You are correct. I should probably step down in ram size for that. It's about the same as my 2" ram I had before, a little slow for power slides, but worked well Offroad.


And ya, the 2x8x1.25 ram is 15.32 each way which is only a hair more than a 1.5" SE @ 14.16 cu/in.

Unfortunately, with your plan its going to be a compromise of power or speed or both. With HA the speed limiter is generally how much the box can flow so you have to run a smallish ram. That's ok since power-wise you have the box plus the ram. However, that ram would probably be feel quite weak when you swapped it to be used as full hydro.

I like the line of thought, but I don't think it would work that well in practice. Kind of like the whole part-time racer thing though... sounds good, but probably not very practical/realistic.