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Old 12-09-2012, 09:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Build a set of BULLETPROOF Toyota axles

Here's the deal. I own a box stock 85 4-runner. I would like to some day turn it in to a truggy type build. I would like to stay with all Toyota parts except for the engine. Engine will be a BUILT 4bt. Manual transmission dual transfer cases. 4 link front and rear. Where my knowledge is lacking is in the axle department. To stay true to my vision for the truck, I would like to keep the Toyota axle housings front and rear. The task I lay before you fine gentlemen is this. Spec out the rest of the axles for me. Also I would like to know the maximum tire diameter I could run with each set-up. Thank you in advance gentlemen. I have searched but have not come up with exactly what I am looking for.

EDIT: After the first couple of answers I have revised the question. Instead of a 4bt lets say the engine is a 1.9 TDI. Afterall, the main focus of the engine was diesel.

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Old 12-09-2012, 09:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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AFAIK 4BTs are real heavy engines. I don't think you'll have much luck running toyota axles unless this is just a street truck.
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Old 12-09-2012, 09:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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you cannot build a set of bullet proof toyota axles especially with thte stock housings like you mentioned... call or go to the trailgear website, they sell completely assemble axle assemblies for people like you

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Even if a street truck the housing will smile at you in a matter of no time. Just build a set of tons and slap a toy emblem on the diff cover and call it a day. I have have to ask why the hell do you want to ruin a stock 85 runner with a 4bt? There no benefit what so ever in having a 4bt in a toyota mini.
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4bt and toy axles/t-cases might require rethinking.
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OK...so how about we change the engine to a 1.9 TDI? Diesel was the main focus of the engine. How does that change the answers already given?
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So what I am reading is, no matter what you do to a set of Toyota axles they will never be bulletproof is this correct? Or they will just not be bulletproof with a diesel engine?
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So what I am reading is, no matter what you do to a set of Toyota axles they will never be bulletproof is this correct? Or they will just not be bulletproof with a diesel engine?
wont be bullet proof ever...if you are just dd and light wheeling you will probaby be fine

if you want to stay toyota go with fj80 axles...alot of us run fully built toy mini axles with 40inch tires on big rocks and get by just fine, but they do break eventually.
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You didn't search very well.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/toyot...yota-axle.html
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Yes, toy axles will never be bulletproof.
So why all the people using them? If it is as easy as swapping in a Dana 60 then why go through the effort to build up something not as strong? The way I look at it, you could be in to a set of 60's for cheaper than building up the stockers and the 60's according to you guys will always be stronger.
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I found that thread, but he is not using the stock housing.
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So why all the people using them? If it is as easy as swapping in a Dana 60 then why go through the effort to build up something not as strong? The way I look at it, you could be in to a set of 60's for cheaper than building up the stockers and the 60's according to you guys will always be stronger.
building a 60 inst cheap either...usually people build the toy axles part by part and its what they have. if someone just had 5 grand to spend on an axle they wouldnt go toyota...well sometimes.

its also cheaper to get into a toy axle..usually 300 complete, chevy dana 60's are usually 1200ish complete.

the truck im building right now is my last all toyota build. my other truck will basically only be a toyota cab...maybe trans and motor...but i never want toy t-cases or axles again,,,,
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Weight. Built tons weigh a metric shit ton more then built toyota axles.
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Weight. Built tons weigh a metric shit ton more then built toyota axles.
This was my thought for wanting to stay Toyota. So lets say weight was an issue. What would be the best built set of Toyota axles?

EDIT: Or should I say, less likely to break set of Toyota axles.

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Get a ruffstuff 9.5 lc housing run 80 outters with the hellforge knuckles and longfield birfs outta be plenty strong. My buddy is running same thing but with the mini outters and 30 spline longs behind and supercharged 3.4 on 39 iroks and they are holding up just fine and he is not afraid of the skinny peddle.
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get a ruffstuff 9.5 lc housing run 80 outters with the hellforge knuckles and longfield birfs outta be plenty strong.
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So why all the people using them? If it is as easy as swapping in a Dana 60 then why go through the effort to build up something not as strong? The way I look at it, you could be in to a set of 60's for cheaper than building up the stockers and the 60's according to you guys will always be stronger.
Because tons and 35s is dumb.


I find it quite entertaining when people are like "I'm gonna swap in a 4BT CUMMINS! DIESELS IS COOL!!".

Fuckin 4BT with accessories is 800+lbs. For a 4 CYL!

A 1.9 VW or small merc diesel might make sense, if you like that sort of thing.

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It seems like axle questions are really frequently asked here. Somebody from, say Colorado, should compile a list and sticky some info or some shit.
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It seems like axle questions are really frequently asked here. Somebody from, say Colorado, should compile a list and sticky some info or some shit.
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Because tons and 35s is dumb.


I find it quite entertaining when people are like "I'm gonna swap in a 4BT CUMMINS! DIESELS IS COOL!!".

Fuckin 4BT with accessories is 800+lbs. For a 4 CYL!

A 1.9 VW or small merc diesel might make sense, if you like that sort of thing.
I'm not sure if diesels are cool, but it's what I know. I was a Generator Mechanic in the Army for 4 years and after that for 3 more years in Iraq. I know the 4bt inside and out. I know it is heavy, but did not know how that would translate in to a vehicle of this type. Now that I do, I am considering any other type of lighter weight diesel engine.
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I'm not sure if diesels are cool, but it's what I know. I was a Generator Mechanic in the Army for 4 years and after that for 3 more years in Iraq. I know the 4bt inside and out. I know it is heavy, but did not know how that would translate in to a vehicle of this type. Now that I do, I am considering any other type of lighter weight diesel engine.
Look at it this way then. 500+ ft/lbs of torque + 7.8" ring gear = That will just about cover it.

4BTs are great motors. Good luck getting one to fit into a mini truck though. I've done it. Its not fun. We moved the whole cab back 6" on the frame to get it to clear the firewall.

IMHO, one tons are the way to go under that motor. especially a "Built" one like you are talking. Don't waste time with Toyota axles. And, I am most definitely a Toyota guy.

Also plan on a lot of lift to clear the oil pan. 4BTs are very tall.

The one we mocked up was going into a truck with a 14B rear, D60 front and 42" TSLs. It needed all of it IMHO behind that motor. Both to clear the pumpkins and to clear the motor.
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Look at it this way then. 500+ ft/lbs of torque + 7.8" ring gear = That will just about cover it.

4BTs are great motors. Good luck getting one to fit into a mini truck though. I've done it. Its not fun. We moved the whole cab back 6" on the frame to get it to clear the firewall.

IMHO, one tons are the way to go under that motor. especially a "Built" one like you are talking. Don't waste time with Toyota axles. And, I am most definitely a Toyota guy.

Also plan on a lot of lift to clear the oil pan. 4BTs are very tall.

The one we mocked up was going into a truck with a 14B rear, D60 front and 42" TSLs. It needed all of it IMHO behind that motor. Both to clear the pumpkins and to clear the motor.
Scott, while I respect your opinion and appreciate you taking the time to answer my silly questions, how would your answer differ if the engine was a 1.9 TDI?
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