This Thread is about adding AOR's Orbit Eye's and AllPro's Johny Joints together for long life BIG flex lower cost travel for ROCK RIGS.
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AOR
AllPro offroad
NO sand box mud puddle new wheelers here!:flipoff2:
Intension is geared to bring opinions and ideas off all the Great thinking engineers out there & how to achieve more flex for a ROCK trail rigs that will need stability on Hwy as well. (Some of us do not have the $$$ for Tow-Rig-N trailer.)
I do not mean to Bash any shop.
This is Not about who's springs to use, that question is impossible to answer and as there is NO answer as it depends on too many factors including: use, lift and the $$$ factor.
OK After many months of re-searching, reading, talking to AOR and AllPro, debating who's spring to use and where to put Orbits-eye's & or Johny Joints in front end, back end ,or both ends of springs.
My Idea: To keep cost down of springs with flex joints use for Example :
FRONT: Use Orbit Eye in front spring eye and poly eye in back.
REAR: Use an AOR rear spring with Orbit eye joint in the front of spring and poly eye in rear connected with AllPro's Johny joint in the grease able shackle. This should give a tad more flex because now you have added a 7-8" shackle to the pivot angle.
What are your opinions of this design ??
Here's what I have concluded.
Question to Shops:
" Can I put flex joints->IE (orbits/JJ's joints in front and back of Front springs?
Answer
"AOR" says "Do not put Orbits in both ends of front springs if driving on road" " The front end will wobble or walk side to side"
"AllPro" Advised against putting Johny joints in front shackles if driving on highway. He did agree with me that it may wobble.
BASIS/Answer:
Put Flex joint in the hanger end of front spring not shackle end if using on HWY.
Or if trail Use ONLY use on both ends of front springs.
Although you may only gain another INCH or so of travel with having Flex joints in both ends, your $$$Springs will last much longer.
"AOR" " says Expect 21-22"? inches of travel with 4" lift springs, I think that's what he said.
ALLPro quoted about 20"
Question?:
"What about the rear, joints in both ends?
Answer
"AOR": It's ok to put in both ends. the joints take a significant amount of pressure to move/twist.
"AllPro": They only have Johny Joints for the shackle end.
I would like to hear feedback on these ideas and responses.
Thank you
Ri
If you don't know what these are go Search & Read
AOR
AllPro offroad
NO sand box mud puddle new wheelers here!:flipoff2:
Intension is geared to bring opinions and ideas off all the Great thinking engineers out there & how to achieve more flex for a ROCK trail rigs that will need stability on Hwy as well. (Some of us do not have the $$$ for Tow-Rig-N trailer.)
I do not mean to Bash any shop.
This is Not about who's springs to use, that question is impossible to answer and as there is NO answer as it depends on too many factors including: use, lift and the $$$ factor.
OK After many months of re-searching, reading, talking to AOR and AllPro, debating who's spring to use and where to put Orbits-eye's & or Johny Joints in front end, back end ,or both ends of springs.
My Idea: To keep cost down of springs with flex joints use for Example :
FRONT: Use Orbit Eye in front spring eye and poly eye in back.
REAR: Use an AOR rear spring with Orbit eye joint in the front of spring and poly eye in rear connected with AllPro's Johny joint in the grease able shackle. This should give a tad more flex because now you have added a 7-8" shackle to the pivot angle.
What are your opinions of this design ??
Here's what I have concluded.
Question to Shops:
" Can I put flex joints->IE (orbits/JJ's joints in front and back of Front springs?
Answer
"AOR" says "Do not put Orbits in both ends of front springs if driving on road" " The front end will wobble or walk side to side"
"AllPro" Advised against putting Johny joints in front shackles if driving on highway. He did agree with me that it may wobble.
BASIS/Answer:
Put Flex joint in the hanger end of front spring not shackle end if using on HWY.
Or if trail Use ONLY use on both ends of front springs.
Although you may only gain another INCH or so of travel with having Flex joints in both ends, your $$$Springs will last much longer.
"AOR" " says Expect 21-22"? inches of travel with 4" lift springs, I think that's what he said.
ALLPro quoted about 20"
Question?:
"What about the rear, joints in both ends?
Answer
"AOR": It's ok to put in both ends. the joints take a significant amount of pressure to move/twist.
"AllPro": They only have Johny Joints for the shackle end.
I would like to hear feedback on these ideas and responses.
Thank you
Ri