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Old 08-17-2001, 10:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question mazda electric locker?

in my local junk yard i found a complete mazda electic locker with axle. doesn't have any breaks. easy enough to get. its about 53 inches wide like a toy. i didn't compare the spring perches. i'll do it tomarrow when i go back to check it out again and ponder the place ment under my toy.

what do you guys think?

are they strong and has anyone attempted this kind of swap before?

i can't find a toy one so this looks okay? <IMG SRC="smilies/question.gif" border="0">
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Old 08-17-2001, 11:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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common what do ya think?
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They put them in they're MPV vans they seem to be cool but is there aftermarket gears sets made for them. Another cool thing is some have rear discs along with the electric locker.
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i went out to the junk yard this morning.

its off a 90 mazda 4x4. looks like everything would hook up with out much fab. work. even the shock mounts are in the same place. looks like a looker? it has to wires coming out of the top of it. it has drum breaks.

i also found a isuzu rodeo 90ish with disk breaks and an elecric locker. i didn't measure it though.

any way of telling for sure if they are electric lockers or not with out pulling out the third>? <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">
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Old 08-18-2001, 02:44 PM   #5 (permalink)
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No those are not electric lockers. Toyota is the only company that makes and installs it on there trucks.
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<STRONG>No those are not electric lockers. Toyota is the only company that makes and installs it on there trucks.</STRONG>
<font color="yellow"> ... and how do you know this for a fact <IMG SRC="smilies/question.gif" border="0"> Just seemed a little..uh...curt. A little hard evidence would be nice <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

If it's not a locker, then what is it, Wrench? ABS sensor wires, or something <IMG SRC="smilies/question.gif" border="0">
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I'm with Wrench. I really don't think Mazda has an electric locker option. I've searched around and they have never had that listed in the specs of any of the 90's trucks?

If you think it has a locker you shouldn't have to ask, its a fairly large and obvious motor and wires coming off the driver's side of the third. No need to disassemble.
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Old 08-19-2001, 02:57 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I'm not sure about the Mazdas but I think what you're seeing on the Isuzu is the wires for the ABS. The Rodeo rear Dana 44s are good rear ends as long as they have cast center setions and not aluminum. As far as I know they only ever came with 4.10s or 4.30s and had an optional limited slip. But then again I've been wrong before.
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Old 08-19-2001, 12:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Yes, if there is jusr 2 or 3 wires hanging out of the chunk, it is ABS. An electric locker has secondary stuff (solinoid, housing, etc).

The Isuzu D44 also has integrated e-brake in the disks, it is considered a good upgrade (same width, disks, same spring perches).
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Ok here is proof right in your face. Read it and weep!!

1995:
The all-new Toyota Tacoma makes its debut in the spring. Largely designed at Calty, Toyota's Southern California design center, it's also assembled in California at New United Motors Manufacturing, Inc. (NUMMI).

<font color=red>1996:
The Tacoma becomes the first compact truck to offer an available locking rear differential.</font>


1997:
The 4x2 gets a new front bumper and grille design.

1998:
The PreRunner is introduced, establishing a new class of pickup. The 4x4 also gets a new front bumper and grille design. And the passenger-side air bag gets a cutoff switch for child seats.

1999:
Tacoma continues to lead the way in the compact pickup class with thoughtful additions like seatbelt pretensioners and force limiters.

2000:
The ever-popular Tacoma lineup continues to grow with the introduction of the StepSide, a 4x2 that's all about style and attitude.

Today:
The spacious 4-door Double Cab and the red-hot S-Runner join the unbreakable Tacoma family.

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Mitsu installed a locker in the Montero in the early 90's... suppose that is not a pickup, though.

The VW Audi Group has used various lockers in their products since the very early 80's in the US Market.

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Are you sure those arn't limited slip differentials? There is a difference. I don't see why a car would need a locker. Not like you are going to climb rocks with it.
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Quote:
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<STRONG>Mitsu installed a locker in the Montero in the early 90's... suppose that is not a pickup, though.


Brian</STRONG>
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Personally, I have never heard of a Elec locker in a Mazda and I highly doubt they ever made one. Regarding the wires running into the diff, a few weeks ago I found a Toy 3rd member that had 2 wires running into the top of the diff. I got SO EXCITED <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> , then proceded to take a closer look. I still am not sure what it was, but it didn't actuate a locker! It looked like a VSS(Speed Sensor) that was magnetically triggered. The sensor sat on top of the 3rd and was right on top of the ring gear. SO, I would guess that the Mazda diff you found is something similar. My 2cents.
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Yup, I've owned a few. The center and rear diffs are lockable, same design Toyota uses... mainly for use in deep snow/unplowed roads, getting unstuck or what have you. Audi was big in Rallye back in the 80's.

Vanagon Syncros came with front and rear lockers in europe, rear only USA. Built for offroad use.

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i don't know about the mazdas. i had heard somewhere that some trucks had the electric locker.

as for the rodeo, i couldn't find a switch inside for a locker and it had 2 wires just like the mazda axle.

i'm to cheap to pay for the toy elec. locker thou. just curious about the mazda thou, since it was here anyway.

i guess i ll just save up for the detriot in the rear then.

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I drove a mazda mpv with a elect. locker. on the dash to the right of the steering wheel there was a button that said "CENTER DIFF LOCK" I looked under the "mini-van" and on top of the third was a solenoid. When I put it in four wheel drive and cranked hard left the inside rear wheel was turning just as fast as the wheel on the outside. It could not be a speed sensor becuse that was on the t-case. For those that can do the math that would be a 4x4 oversized station wagon with a FACTORY EQUIPED ELECTRIC LOCKER. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">
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i'm going to call the dealer and find out the n see if junkyards have one around that year.

they are not to smart about that stuff here

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Mazda' center diff lock refers to the diff in the transfer case. The mpv was full time AWD. and under normal operation the diff. in the transfer case allowed the front and rear driveshafts to turn different speeds to prevent windup. Sorry, they never had any type of locker in the axles. I'd say the wires are wheel speed sensors for the ABS?AWD.Toyota is the only one. <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0">
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Mazda put a elec. locker in the 1990 MPV and probably others. I know because I ran one into a tree.oops <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0">
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<STRONG>I drove a mazda mpv with a elect. locker. on the dash to the right of the steering wheel there was a button that said "CENTER DIFF LOCK".</STRONG>

I think that "center diff lock" usually refers to a tranfer case that differentiates and and can be locked. In other words a t-case that has part time and full time four wheel drive. Not saying you didn't have a locker, but a center diff lock usually does not refer to a locking axle differential.
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<STRONG>Mazda...{snip}...Sorry, they never had any type of locker in the axles. I'd say the wires are wheel speed sensors for the ABS?AWD.Toyota is the only one. <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
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Mazda may or may not have had a locking diff... But Audi did. My fathers 1991 4-seater-sports/luxo sedan has two switches under the flip-up armrest: Center Diff Lock, and after that's locked: Rear Diff Lock

It is a full-time AWD setup from back in the days before the rules were changed - back when Audi was winning Ralley championships Back to Back to Back and sweeping the top 3 in most of those classes...

So, yes, it had a locking Diff (2!) But then, what would you expect from a car with an in-line 5 Cylinder Turbo engine?

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Late 80's 5000 Quattro's and some early 90's 200's had diff lock, found nothing on mazda's though.
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